Abortion was 50/50. Now it is quicksand.

[busybee01]

Americans DON'T support a woman's right to choose at 9 months. How long will it be before the left get that? And, Americans DO support lower inflation and a better economy. How long will it be before the left get that? Right now Trump is on course for beating Biden in 2024. How long will it be before the left get that?

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

Latest Polls

www.realclearpolitics.com

In 2016 Hillary had a 2% advantage in popular vote and still lost by quite a bit. The latest poll shows Trump with a 7% lead over Biden.

Rasmussen is not a legitimate poll.

 

[busybee01]

The only right wingers doing any shooting are Muslims.

You show that you are a racist, sexist, right wing pig who does not care about facts.

 

[busybee01]

Yeah.....that's why you support abortion and why Trannies are killing children in Christian schools.
Cuz it's just talking-points.

Right wing Nazis are overwhelmingly shooting up schools.
You are spouting talking points.

 

[busybee01]

The Michigan vote passed because if it didn't, a 1931 law banning abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest would have gone into effect.

This is what I mean. Right wing cruelty is backfiring. Bigly.

As for Vermont, that's a deep blue state. The home of socialist Bernie Sanders.

It also has a Republican governor. Michigan voted for it overwhelmingly. That is fact.

 

[MagicMike]

LOL, Thank you--is the male counterpart of that union being consulted before the murder? Nope, weeeeellllll, I guess that just isn't too important is it. The child is being murdered.

A cancerous tumor is composed of living cells.
Is the removal of a tumor "murder?"

 

[g5000]

A cancerous tumor is composed of living cells.
Is the removal of a tumor "murder?"

You are composed of living cells. Is killing you okay?

Isn't this fun?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Berakhot 61b:6-8

The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study.

Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire? Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.

The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?

They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.

He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?

The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.

The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: “For that is your life, and the length of your days” (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.

The Sages said: Not a few days passed until they seized Rabbi Akiva and incarcerated him in prison, and seized Pappos ben Yehuda and incarcerated him alongside him.

Rabbi Akiva said to him: Pappos, who brought you here? Pappos replied: Happy are you, Rabbi Akiva, for you were arrested on the charge of engaging in Torah study. Woe unto Pappos who was seized on the charge of engaging in idle matters.

 

[MagicMike]

You are composed of living cells. Is killing you okay?

Isn't this fun?

So your answer is yes?
Any operation which removes "living" tissue from a human body is murder?

 

[Concerned American]

death among poor females goes up when abortion is banned

Link.

 

[mudwhistle]

You show that you are a racist, sexist, right wing pig who does not care about facts.

You're one crazy motherfucker.

Doesn't matter what I say because you pile every false label onto anyone who doesn't agree with you.

You're a waste of bandwidth.

 

[mudwhistle]

Right wing Nazis are overwhelmingly shooting up schools.
You are spouting talking points.

Every shooter in the last several years has either been a total anti-government nutcase or a leftist lunatic.
The rest of them have been Islamic terrorists and government agents.

 

[Concerned American]

Second, the statement seems to suggest that all abortions are for "convenience"

Troll somewhere else or at least read the entire thread. You are off base and it emphasizes your contrarian intentions. Re: your contention that my remarks dehumanize--LMAO, what is more dehumanizing than the taking of a human life. Quit projecting.

variety of reasons, including medical, financial, and personal

None of which give license to murder. As you would have noted if you read the whole thread, there are "plan B" options that could be exercised the morning after--before any negligible development takes place. If that is not done, then adoption is a available.

access to safe and legal abortion is a basic human right that should not be subject to judgment or stigma.

There is no right to murder.

The vast majority of people who support abortion rights believe that women should have the right to make their own reproductive choices,

Murder has absolutely nothing to do with reproduction. The taking of a life is totally contrary to reproduction. Try your pretzel logic on some other liberal. Just because you repeat the party line does not make it so.

Abortion is a legal and constitutionally protected medical procedure

The SCOTUS disagrees, take your tears to them.

often necessary to protect the health and well-being of women.

Again, read the thread. I am not going to rehash my position because you are too lazy to read.

 

[BrokeLoser]

They made it abundantly clear that a vote for the Liberal would be a vote to protect Abortion in Wisconsin. The Conservatives warned it would be the case. Huge amounts of money were spent making sure everyone knew what was at stake. The Liberal won and for the first time in a decade and a half Liberals have the majority in the State Supreme Court.

Kansas held a Vote on the Constitution of the State. The question. Should the State Constitution be amended to allow the Legislature to decide Abortion. The answer, again by about 60% of the voters. A resounding no.

I guess you can denounce them as proxy votes. But it appears to me to be quite clear.

Abortion was 50/50. Now it is quicksand.​

What was the general position taken on baby killing when America was American…Before Mac1958 ’s people invaded our nation, before the America Hating Marxist movement, before immorality and indecency was sold through social networks and academia?

 

[Concerned American]

You really are not interested in a serious debate. Given your ad homs and generalities over a complex issue, you can't be taken seriously.

Cheers,
Rumpole

Your concession is noted. I don't recall using any disparaging remarks pointed at any one person so your "ad hom" remark is more grasping. I also used no generalizations. Again, troll somewhere else, your uninformed remarks have added nothing.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

And when does a fetus become a 'person'? No one knows, this is not something that science can address. It is the subject of philosophy, so the only determinant is judicial decree. Under Roe, that was at 22 weeks or so. Until we have a judicial decree on that point (which some states do) we do not have a legally established 'viability'. No one is recommending abortion for a fetus that has reached viability, and is legally decreed as a 'person'. So, before that adjudicated point, there is no 'person' and thus there is no murder, and your statement has no legal consequence. If your reasoning is based on a philosophical or religious view, please understand that even the Bible, in many places, treats the unborn as a commodity, as chattel. so, there is very little in law and religion to support your view, other than your own philosophical stance, which carries no weight in this debate. If philosophy is the basis, then 'whose philosophy'? As you can see, if we go there, the destination is chaos.


Moot point, see above.

“Viability” is entirely irrelevant, they are human beings, they should be legal persons end of story.

Viability is building your house of standards on shifting sands.

 

[Concerned American]

The fact that it cannot survive outside of the mother does fly.

A fully developed person on a ventilator cannot survive without it, so lets just take people off of ventilators for the convenience of people around them regardless of whether or not they will eventually recover. Abortion is MURDER.

 

[Rumpole]

“Viability” is entirely irrelevant, they are human beings, they should be legal persons end of story.

"Should' is not a legal concept, it is a philosophical concept, and is irrelevant.

Viability is building your house of standards on shifting sands.

Viability is all that is relevant. Without a judicial decree establishing the viability threshold, you have no argument.

None. Your 'philosophy' on what a 'person' is, IS irrelevant.

Cheers,
Rumpole

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

"Should' is not a legal concept, it is a philosophical concept, and is irrelevant.


Viability is all that is relevant. Without a judicial decree establishing the viability threshold, you have no argument.

None. Your 'philosophy' on what a 'person' is, IS irrelevant.

Cheers,
Rumpole

Who cares about what judges say?

Change the law in the legislature- all humans are legal persons, end of story, done.

 

[initforme]

It's hard to understand objections in the case of a proven rape. Makes no sense.

 

[Concerned American]

Don't be surprised if they go after Plan B pills as well.

Well, I guess you accept that there are alternatives to murder, good on you.

they would offer alternatives even if it costs a few dollars.

Do you pay attention to what you write? Plan B. Methinks you might be one of those irresponsible young women who have chosen to murder their offspring. Unfortunate.

Then they attack mothers who need help.

Your generalization is untrue.