Debate Now Abortion Scenario: 23 week old premature baby is on life support.

[MarathonMike]

A young Mother delivers a premature baby of 23 weeks fetal age. The baby is placed in the intensive care unit and put on a feeding tube and a ventilator. The Mother decides the baby is affecting her mental health so she requests an abortion. Her states' abortion law has a 23 week fetal age limit and/or a risk to the Mother's mental or physical health. Should her wish be granted? Why or Why not?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Who Gets To Pay The Bill "

* Back Up And Try Again *

A young Mother delivers a premature baby of 23 weeks fetal age. The baby is placed in the intensive care unit and put on a feeding tube and a ventilator. The Mother decides the baby is affecting her mental health so she requests an abortion. Her states' abortion law has a 23 week fetal age limit and/or a risk to the Mother's mental or physical health. Should her wish be granted? Why or Why not?

As abortion occurs before delivery , the question is stupid , but that is nothing new for the abortion anti-choice mind set .

It is amazing how the abortion anti-choice are not constantly wailing in tears about all those that died soon after birth when neonatal care did not exist .

A more relevant question is if there are developmental anomalies whether the woman can abort the fetus .

Should a woman be forced to carry a freak to term and shove it out her vagina to satisfy simpleton perverts obsessed with her having had SSSSEEEEEXXXXX , while claiming that THEIR GOAD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES ?

 

[Care4all]

A young Mother delivers a premature baby of 23 weeks fetal age. The baby is placed in the intensive care unit and put on a feeding tube and a ventilator. The Mother decides the baby is affecting her mental health so she requests an abortion. Her states' abortion law has a 23 week fetal age limit and/or a risk to the Mother's mental or physical health. Should her wish be granted? Why or Why not?

WOW! GET A GRIP ON REALITY MIKE!

Abortion occurs prior to birthing, not after birth.

 

[BULLDOG]

A young Mother delivers a premature baby of 23 weeks fetal age. The baby is placed in the intensive care unit and put on a feeding tube and a ventilator. The Mother decides the baby is affecting her mental health so she requests an abortion. Her states' abortion law has a 23 week fetal age limit and/or a risk to the Mother's mental or physical health. Should her wish be granted? Why or Why not?

A truly stupid question. That has nothing to do with abortion.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Yeah, you can't really abort a baby after you've birthed it.

 

[HeyNorm]

" Who Gets To Pay The Bill "

* Back Up And Try Again *

As abortion occurs before delivery , the question is stupid , but that is nothing new for the abortion anti-choice mind set .

It is amazing how the abortion anti-choice are not constantly wailing in tears about all those that died soon after birth when neonatal care did not exist .

A more relevant question is if there are developmental anomalies whether the woman can abort the fetus .

Should a woman be forced to carry a freak to term and shove it out her vagina to satisfy simpleton perverts obsessed with her having had SSSSEEEEEXXXXX , while claiming that THEIR GOAD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES ?

What was described in the OP is a legitimate concern. The baby that is described is similar to the fetus you want the mother to have the ability to kill.

Your argument is that it is legitimate to kill a fetus because it can’t survive without someone supporting its ability to breath on its own. This scenario fits YOUR argument.

 

[HeyNorm]

Yeah, you can't really abort a baby after you've birthed it.

But in the OP, can we really consider the baby anything more than a fetus? It can’t breath on its own, so it fits your definition to a T.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

But in the OP, can we really consider the baby anything more than a fetus? It can’t breath on its own, so it fits your definition to a T.

You know my definition?

 

[HeyNorm]

You know my definition?

Fill me in.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Fill me in.

Oh come on, you just knew it a moment ago.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Freak Farmer Fanatics Deny Reality "

* Depicts All Abortions With Fake Personification And Absurd Expectations *

What was described in the OP is a legitimate concern. The baby that is described is similar to the fetus you want the mother to have the ability to kill.
Your argument is that it is legitimate to kill a fetus because it can’t survive without someone supporting its ability to breath on its own. This scenario fits YOUR argument.

My argument is that women do not seek abortion without cause of anomalies at those stages of development , while your argument is that with cause does not exist and all pregnancies are perfect and remanded by ideological compulsion .

Simple facts are that us citizens are being reviled by the sanctimonious sacrosanct afflicted with anthropocentric psychosis .

 

[HeyNorm]

Oh come on, you just knew it a moment ago.

You don’t have one. Didn’t think so

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Abortion Anti-Choice Legitimizing The Cruelty Of Goad "

* Life Long Obligation To Tough Shit *

But in the OP, can we really consider the baby anything more than a fetus? It can’t breath on its own, so it fits your definition to a T.

The question would have been reasonable if it had inquired as to whether the mother should be given an option of consenting to neonatal care if being remanded to pay for it and being further compelled to surrogate expenses for dysfunctional development and disabilities .

Premature babies have high death and disability rate - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Severe forms of disability were present in 23% of babies born at 22-25 weeks, and boys were more likely to be disabled than girls.
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The study, reported in the New England Journal of Medicine (2000;343:378-84), found that the most likely outcome of premature birth before 26 weeks is death. Of 811 infants admitted to neonatal intensive care units, only 314 survived and were subsequently discharged home.
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They found that 49% of the children had some form of disability, most commonly problems including non-fluent gait, some difficulty with feeding with both hands, impaired sight and hearing, and delays in talking. Just under a quarter of the children met the criteria for severe disability, which included being unable to walk without help, unable to feed themselves, being blind, or being unable to talk.

Neurodevelopmental, Health, and Family Outcomes for Infants Born Preterm - Preterm Birth - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although advances in high-risk obstetric and neonatal care have resulted in improved survival of infants born preterm, many studies have documented the prevalence of a broad range of neurodevelopmental impairments in preterm survivors. The spectrum of neurodevelopmental disabilities includes cerebral palsy, mental retardation, visual and hearing impairments, and more subtle disorders of central nervous system function. These dysfunctions include language disorders, learning disabilities, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder, minor neuromotor dysfunction or developmental coordination disorders, behavioral problems, and social-emotional difficulties. Preterm infants are more likely to have lower intelligence quotients and academic achievement scores, experience greater difficulties at school, and require significantly more educational assistance than children who were born at term. Preterm infants have an increased risk of rehospitalization during the first few years of life and increased use of outpatient care. Among the conditions leading to poorer health are reactive airway disease or asthma, recurrent infections, and poor growth. The smallest and most immature infants have the highest risk of health problems and neurodevelopmental disabilities.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

You don’t have one. Didn’t think so

So first you knew what it was. And now think I don't have one. Anyway, I'll quit jostling you around. But treat this as a lesson in being presumptuous. I think life begins at conception. However, the situation OP puts forth is frankly absurd. I've never known or met someone who's expressed any support for killing a child outside the womb. And as others have pointed out, this wouldn't be considered an abortion.

 

[BULLDOG]

What was described in the OP is a legitimate concern. The baby that is described is similar to the fetus you want the mother to have the ability to kill.

Your argument is that it is legitimate to kill a fetus because it can’t survive without someone supporting its ability to breath on its own. This scenario fits YOUR argument.

No. It's not a legitimate concern. Crazy MAGAs might want it to be a legitimate concern.

 

[Zincwarrior]

A young Mother delivers a premature baby of 23 weeks fetal age. The baby is placed in the intensive care unit and put on a feeding tube and a ventilator. The Mother decides the baby is affecting her mental health so she requests an abortion. Her states' abortion law has a 23 week fetal age limit and/or a risk to the Mother's mental or physical health. Should her wish be granted? Why or Why not?

Who has to pay for the care of the premature baby going forward?

 

[MarathonMike]

Who has to pay for the care of the premature baby going forward?

Answering a question with a question is not an answer.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Answering a question with a question is not an answer.

I require more information to answer the question. Does said woman have to take care of the child for the remainder of its life in your world?

 

[MarathonMike]

I require more information to answer the question. Does said woman have to take care of the child for the remainder of its life in your world?

The abortion law as stated only requires the fetus be 23 weeks of age or less and a declaration that the women's mental health is at risk. There is no financial aspect attached to the abortion law. There is NEVER a financial aspect attached to any abortion law. If you are afraid to answer the simple question posed, move along.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The abortion law as stated only requires the fetus be 23 weeks of age or less and a declaration that the women's mental health is at risk. There is no financial aspect attached to the abortion law. There is NEVER a financial aspect attached to any abortion law. If you are afraid to answer the simple question posed, move along.

There is a financial aspect related to abortion for many many women.