CDZ Abolish the Police?

[Gdjjr]

Police are the biggest SOBs in the world..., until you need one. Same can be said about lawyers.

Police are fine- it's law en FORCE ment that is the issue- lawyers are nothing more than too well paid alleged intellectuals who pay others to teach them to lie- legally.

 

[2aguy]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

This is why the democrat party should be kept from the levers of power.....their ideas are.....this is the CDZ......so I will just say their ideas are non-functional...........

 

[Porter Rockwell]

LOL about 1/10th of one percent of police are arrested each year 1100 arrested a year and there are over 1 million armed police. 1000 people are killed a year by police with almost all of them JUSTIFIED killings. The press and idiots have lied to you about a problem that does NOT exists. Name any other profession where 1/10th of one percent are bad.

I'm not taking sides, so don't misconstrue this response. I've worked in the legal arena more than half of my life. A cop's attitude is that if you don't have a record, we just haven't caught you yet.

When I saw cops breaking the laws, I intervened and was using the legal process. They abused the Hell out of the process to stop me. The worst criminals I ever met wore a badge and the fact that more of them do not pay for their crimes, allowing you to cite such a figure, is evidence to many that would cause people to advocate for dismantling the police.

We probably will anyway because the masses want a POLICE STATE where the police and military are one and the same.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

LOL about 1/10th of one percent of police are arrested each year 1100 arrested a year and there are over 1 million armed police. 1000 people are killed a year by police with almost all of them JUSTIFIED killings. The press and idiots have lied to you about a problem that does NOT exists. Name any other profession where 1/10th of one percent are bad.

I'm not taking sides, so don't misconstrue this response. I've worked in the legal arena more than half of my life. A cop's attitude is that if you don't have a record, we just haven't caught you yet.

When I saw cops breaking the laws, I intervened and was using the legal process. They abused the Hell out of the process to stop me. The worst criminals I ever met wore a badge and the fact that more of them do not pay for their crimes, allowing you to cite such a figure, is evidence to many that would cause people to advocate for dismantling the police.

We probably will anyway because the masses want a POLICE STATE where the police and military are one and the same.

Like I asked the last person, cite facts link to stats provide evidence. Just cause you believe something doesn't make it true.You haven't provided a single link not one stat nothing to back up your claim. But sure you are not taking sides as you attack cops.

 

[Questioner]

The military was the "police" in the early days of America; effectively martial law, hence the 3rd Amendment.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

LOL about 1/10th of one percent of police are arrested each year 1100 arrested a year and there are over 1 million armed police. 1000 people are killed a year by police with almost all of them JUSTIFIED killings. The press and idiots have lied to you about a problem that does NOT exists. Name any other profession where 1/10th of one percent are bad.

I'm not taking sides, so don't misconstrue this response. I've worked in the legal arena more than half of my life. A cop's attitude is that if you don't have a record, we just haven't caught you yet.

When I saw cops breaking the laws, I intervened and was using the legal process. They abused the Hell out of the process to stop me. The worst criminals I ever met wore a badge and the fact that more of them do not pay for their crimes, allowing you to cite such a figure, is evidence to many that would cause people to advocate for dismantling the police.

We probably will anyway because the masses want a POLICE STATE where the police and military are one and the same.

Like I asked the last person, cite facts link to stats provide evidence. Just cause you believe something doesn't make it true.You haven't provided a single link not one stat nothing to back up your claim. But sure you are not taking sides as you attack cops.

Give you a link to several decades of practical experience? Bias confirmation proves exactly what?

I can give you some links that directly attack cops. I'm just speaking from personal experience, but if you are wanting links, you are trying to force me to take sides. No matter what side I take, it has its share of sorry S.O.B.s; however, let's see what the anti - cop stats show:

"If police are charged, they’re rarely convicted. The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project analyzed 3,238 criminal cases against police officers from April 2009 through December 2010. They found that only 33 percent were convicted, and 36 percent of officers who were convicted ended up serving prison sentences. Both of those are about half the rate at which members of the public are convicted or incarcerated."

Cops are almost never prosecuted and convicted for use of force

This is the first database that tracks America's criminal cops

The study you based your assertions on also has this to say:

"Surprisingly little is known about the crimes committed by law enforcement officers, in part because there are virtually no official nationwide data collected, maintained, disseminated, and/or available for research analyses."

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249850.pdf

In general, there are explanations for why police are not treated the same as the citizenry. For example, this shows a double standard most are not aware of:

"One of the worst of these is the Public Safety Officers Procedural Bill of Rights Act (POBRA), commonly known as the “police officers bill of rights.” It provides cops in California facing criminal accusations with an extensive list of special loopholes and escape hatches that no other public employee or everyday citizen enjoys. These are not technically “rights,” but rather ways in which police can get away with murder and misconduct."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/catbrooks/end-laws-that-help-police-get-away-with-murder

You might want to check out these links as well:


Why It’s Impossible to Indict a Cop

Police shootings: Trials and convictions are rare - CNN

The Village Where Every Cop Has Been Convicted of Domestic Violence — ProPublica

Next time, maybe you will just want a conversation based upon the personal experiences of your fellow poster.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Less then 1 percent of cops are arrested every year name another profession with that low a problem percent. And yes you took sides and still are.

 

[Crepitus]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

 

[Likkmee]

Less then 1 percent of cops are arrested every year name another profession with that low a problem percent. And yes you took sides and still are.

Hells angels or the military. Who ? Nah...I was busy

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Less then 1 percent of cops are arrested every year name another profession with that low a problem percent. And yes you took sides and still are.

Your response was pretty typical. By posting facts you don't like, I took sides. Yeah, right. How absolutely infantile! You asked for a perspective and then made an accusation like that.

Why, one would think you are a cop. You rush to their defense when the whole point of my post was to show that there is no data being collected on how many times cops violate the law, but are not arrested.

Where I live, cops routinely break the law, but other cops don't arrest their fellow officers. I'm pretty sure it's the same all over the U.S.






Cops Caught Breaking The Law Hunt Down CopWatcher & Harass Him

Cops Caught Speeding With Some Deadly Consequences

Video: Culture of Police Speeding


7 Ways Police Will Break the Law, Threaten, or Lie to You to Get What They Want

Multiple DC Cops Caught on Camera Breaking the Law. No Worries, They are Above the Law

All of a sudden, these links are proving an embarrassment - now that I've had to look for a few of them. What I'm learning from your accusation is that cops routinely break the law, but are never arrested so they avoid accountability.

The cops can accuse me of taking sides. I'm asking them to have the ethical wherewithal to admit that cops do not hold their own (on average) to the same standard they hold the civilian. I tried to expose cops where I live of violating the parking laws by parking their cars in no parking fire zones of which the Fire Commissioner advised me were illegal for cops to park in unless they were answering an emergency and their flashing lights were on.

For my troubles, the Sheriff wrote me a letter advising me to mind my own G.D. business and then had officers harassing me and threatening me. Not every jurisdiction is like ours, but to deny this is commonplace is dishonest by any metric. The lack of arrests and convictions when millions of Americans can attest to lawbreaking cops illuminates this problem and demonstrates why some are frustrated and want to just abolish police departments.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

LOL millions now huh, you cite a coupe incident and then equate it to millions, take your bull shit elsewhere. The VAST majority of cops are ethical and good. Sure there are a few bad ones and sure some of the cops abuse a few minor ordinances so the fuck what. Your claim that most cops are bad is HOGWASH and BULLSHIT.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

LOL millions now huh, you cite a coupe incident and then equate it to millions, take your bull shit elsewhere. The VAST majority of cops are ethical and good. Sure there are a few bad ones and sure some of the cops abuse a few minor ordinances so the fuck what. Your claim that most cops are bad is HOGWASH and BULLSHIT.

And yet your attitude adds credibility to the links I left. You could not even be honest about what I said. I said that "millions of Americans can attest" and you dishonestly claimed that I accused millions of cops of breaking the law.

Hate to tell you this tough guy, but millions of Americans complaining does not prove that millions of cops - or any specific number were being referenced or accused. If you could read as good as you can accuse - I made the opposite argument in an earlier post... literacy and ignorance of the law are commonplace among the LEO community. Your lie that I accused most cops of being bad was a lie... or the product of abject stupidity - and you are making that case by example for the LEO, not me.

 

[Muhammed]

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But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Stop voting for Democrats.

The blacks in cities like Chicago keep saying that the police are oppressing them and then continue to vote for Democrats to control the police department. Yes, the same Democratic party that opposed the abolition of slavery and instituted Jim Crow.

Fuckin' idiots.

Political chumps!

 

[toobfreak]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

 

[Crepitus]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

Gee, maybe there are too many guns out there, huh?

 

[toobfreak]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Abolish the police on what---- ---- the false predicate that cops unfairly target blacks and minorities? It would be an interesting experiment to do just that in a city like Chicago; announce that you are disbanding the police force just for 24 hours then sit back and watch the implosion as crime soars 2400%!

 

[toobfreak]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

Gee, maybe there are too many guns out there, huh?

Or perhaps just not enough and certainly not the gun training we once had that taught people respect and responsibility.

 

[Muhammed]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Abolish the police on what---- ---- the false predicate that cops unfairly target blacks and minorities? It would be an interesting experiment to do just that in a city like Chicago; announce that you are disbanding the police force just for 24 hours then sit back and watch the implosion as crime soars 2400%!

I saw that movie. The Purge.

 

[Bush92]

Have them stand down for a week so all the liberals that hate cops can get ravaged by crime.

 

[Likkmee]

I ran with the law(not from) in the seventies. Many, many quit and got a real life as policies changed........quotas, irrational weed policy and other such corporate Nazi BS.
A couple opened up gun shops and one dude started a trophy company. A state buddy started an extermination service, another became a Striper guide at Smith Mountain. Yet another became a window/door installation contractor in NC.
They lost all respect for the "profession".
In came shaved heads and steroid junkies.
Many of the pricks today are order following ex military meatheads with zero ability to do anything else, much less think rationally.