"A Well Regulated Militia" explained

[progressive hunter]

Guns are not being banned in this country. Only guns which have no business in civilian hands.

Huge difference.

I see no difference since all types of guns should be available to civilians and exactly what the 2nd A intended,,,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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All three of those definitions applied to the 2nd Amendment as written by the framers. They wanted the population to be armed - with weapons of war - so we could repel any invasion without the wastefulness of a large standing army. They absolutely want the possibility of rebellion to exist, because the knew that good governments fear their people, not the other way around, and there was the general definition of people who can be called up. Allowing and encouraging them to bear arms was essential.

Wrong.

Private armed citizens have no authority to establish a ‘militia.’

There is nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment authorizing insurrectionist dogma.

Citizens who take up arms against the government are engaging in lawless treason and rebellion.

 

[meaner gene]

theres only one way to read it,,

AS WRITTEN,,

How do you justify ignoring the dependent clause. You read it as if the first two clauses didn't exist.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

....shall not be infringed

Full of rightwing misinformation, demagoguery, and lies.

 

[meaner gene]

Bullshit. Is English your second language or something? Read the first sentence again:

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There is only one sentence, with four clauses, you quoted clause 3 and 4.

Claiming they were a sentence.

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong.

Private armed citizens have no authority to establish a ‘militia.’

There is nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment authorizing insurrectionist dogma.

Citizens who take up arms against the government are engaging in lawless treason and rebellion.

your premise is a lie,,,

freedom to assemble gives us the right to come together and train for anything we want,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

How do you justify ignoring the dependent clause. You read it as if the first two clauses didn't exist.

of course they exist,, the first one makes it clear its about military grade arms and the second tells us why,,, and the 3rd says who,, "THE PEOPLE"

 

[meaner gene]

and as I said a private orgs.,,, not government like dumbass was claiming

I don't think he ever claimed they were government. He just objected to them being "private".

And their position as regulated private organizations, put them somewhere between private and government. And not existing as either one.

 

[progressive hunter]

I don't think he ever claimed they were government. He just objected to them being "private".

And their position as regulated private organizations, put them somewhere between private and government. And not existing as either one.

youre either private or government,, theres no in between,,,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The filthy ass Libtards do not understand what "shall not be infringed means". That is very confusing to you dumbasses.

For instance, those shithead Democrats in DC had the same mindset as this Fuentes clown and said that Dick Heller had no right to keep a firearm in his own home You know, because he was not in a "well regulated militia" or whatever. The Democrat filth did not recognize his individual right to keep and bear arms. Justice Scalia told them to shove that where the sun don't shine. The individual right to keep and bear arms is not connected to anything. Militia or otherwise. I shit you not Moon Bat. Go look it up.

You Moon Bat assholes hate the right to keep and bear arms. The real reason is that you want this country to be a Socialist Shithole and that like all Leftest Revioluninaries you want to take away the ability of the people to resist Leftest oppression. That is the real reason this Fuentes says in video that citizens should not be allowed to own AR-15s unless it is given to them by the fucking government or whatever.

This is a lie.

Democrats support Second Amendment jurisprudence; it’s conservatives who loathe that case law – Heller in particular, where Scalia reaffirmed the fact that the Second Amendment right is neither ‘unlimited’ nor ‘absolute.’

 

[Samofvt]

Wrong.

Private armed citizens have no authority to establish a ‘militia.’

There is nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment authorizing insurrectionist dogma.

Citizens who take up arms against the government are engaging in lawless treason and rebellion.

See, you're still thinking like a good little socialist: that government and the people are two separate things.

Here in the greatest nation in the world, the people are the government: a representational democracy run by and for the people. It's the entire point.

As long as the militias are working the way they should, they are an integral part of our democracy: that people should keep and bear arms is a requirement for our democracy to function.

 

[meaner gene]

Whatever the reason for “why this right is important,” the explicitly stated Constitutional right does not change.

Actually it forms an independent and a dependent clause in the sentence.

No different than if a parent told their child "Because you're under 18, you can't sign a contract".

That can't be interpreted as meaning "You can't sign a contract."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The dumb son of a bitch never heard of the unorganized militia. Nor did the stupid fucker comprehend the right to keep and bear arms part when the ignorant bastard said the government issues those weapons. But he's a dumb son of a bitch what would you expect? Oh and the national guard is the militia.

The only ignorance and stupidity are your posts.

There’s no such thing as ‘unorganized militia,’ that’s ignorant nonsense and a ridiculous anachronism.

 

[progressive hunter]

The only ignorance and stupidity are your posts.

There’s no such thing as ‘unorganized militia,’ that’s ignorant nonsense and a ridiculous anachronism.

your premise is a lie as usual,,,

the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes​

 

[Seymour Flops]

There is nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment authorizing insurrectionist dogma.

Citizens who take up arms against the government are engaging in lawless treason and rebellion.

You mean except for the American Revolution?

In fact, no Confederate soldier of any rank, nor civilian leader, was prosecuted for treason. Two Confederate fighters were hung, but they were both criminals who found an outlet for more heinous crimes during the war and were hung for them.

It was understood, that - however wrong the confederates were about slavery and/or splitting the country - rebellion is not in any way "un-American."

 

[meaner gene]

your premise is a lie,,,

freedom to assemble gives us the right to come together and train for anything we want,,,

Actually the right is to "peaceably" assemble.

Some assembly, such as for insurrection, riot, or other illegal purpose is not protected.

 

[progressive hunter]

Actually the right is to "peaceably" assemble.

Some assembly, such as for insurrection, riot, or other illegal purpose is not protected.

when has training ever been anything but peaceful???
and freedom of speech allows me to call myself anything I want,,,,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong.
The Left is chipping away at the will of young Americans to own firearms.
Even making them disgusted by them. THEY have a plan.

Soon the old guard will be gone and the overwhelming majority of the next generation will simply eradicate gun ownership rights. Extremely few will resist. Those who do will be labeled "Terrorists".

What you considered a Constitutional right will be considered a gross mistake in future America.
While the Right continues to do absolutely nothing other than cry about what the Left is doing, the Left ignores them and the Supreme Court and the Constitution and makes progress in eliminating the 2A.

"All that was required for evil men to prevail was for good men to do nothing"
Edmund Burke

This is a lie.

The ‘left’ is doing no such thing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What are you going to do next Moon Bat? Post a video of this dingbat telling how none of us should have a gun unless the government says we can have it?

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More lies and demagoguery from the right – guns aren’t going to be ‘banned,’ guns aren’t going to be ‘confiscated.’

 

[progressive hunter]

This is a lie.

The ‘left’ is doing no such thing.

you saying its a lie is a lie,,

the dems are doing exactly that and you know it,,,