DennisPTate
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If I am still in error about all of this,
you have my apologies in advance, because I do not wish to deceive but here is
where I am now at on the topic of the time line for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to have been
crucified, killed, went to "paradise" or "heaven" with the thief on the cross beside him,
and then when He went to hell - Sheol - the Grave, for seventy two hours/ three days and three nights and then exactly when he was Resurrected from the dead?
" I belonged to the Worldwide Church of God from 1972 to 1991 and I used to believe all that they taught on the State of the Dead, [then again the alternative was some variation on what was taught by Dr. Billy Graham so...... I was biased toward the "Soul Sleep"teachings of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted].
Once I began to study near death experience accounts I came to the conclusion that Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had simply been in error on what he taught about "Soul Sleep."
I now believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, [The First Day of Unleavened Bread in 31 C. E. apparently was on a Thursday, which strongly hints that the year of the death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was probably thirty one Current Era]. So, both Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as well as the thief that he spoke to were deceased and their spirits or souls, met in "Paradise" for an hour or two on Wednesday before sunset. I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus gave a tour of Paradise or "Heaven," to the thief on the cross, for at least an hour or so before the sun would set on Wednesday that week. I believe that the soul or eternal spirit of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus went to hell at sunset as the First Day of Unleavened Bread was about to begin. Jesus was then in the heart of the earth for seventy two hours, three days, until He was resurrected on Saturday evening at sunset on the weekly Sabbath during Unleavened Bread. I believe that the writer of the opening post knows the name of that specific Sabbath and I believe that they know that that specific Sabbath was when a Wave Sheaf was offered by the Jewish priests, the Saducees]?
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was "already risen" the next morning, Sunday morning, when Mary Magdalene and the other women went to his tomb with plans to embalm the corpse of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with special spices. They had prepared those spices on Friday of that week and then they rested on the Jewish Sabbath but early on the first day of the week, Sunday morning, they went to the tomb and found that Jesus had already risen from the dead. Assuming He was in the "heart of the earth," the grave, or Sheol, or "The Bosom of Abraham" for seventy two hours this makes for a Sabbath - Saturday evening resurrection at sunset.
This is actually a very important topic for many reasons."
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I do believe that near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai is correct that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus truly did descend into hell itself, [so that you and I do not have to go there]!
Oops... apparently I put this in the wrong forum... I had planned to put this in Religion and Spirituality... but I clicked on post a new thread from the wrong forum... my bad! Perhaps this is not entirely a bad thing because to some degree, incorrect ideas within Christian doctrines are held onto for reasons that could be termed "political" and have a lot to do with traditions and the beliefs of our parents and religious teachers who could have been partly in error.
you have my apologies in advance, because I do not wish to deceive but here is
where I am now at on the topic of the time line for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to have been
crucified, killed, went to "paradise" or "heaven" with the thief on the cross beside him,
and then when He went to hell - Sheol - the Grave, for seventy two hours/ three days and three nights and then exactly when he was Resurrected from the dead?
" I belonged to the Worldwide Church of God from 1972 to 1991 and I used to believe all that they taught on the State of the Dead, [then again the alternative was some variation on what was taught by Dr. Billy Graham so...... I was biased toward the "Soul Sleep"teachings of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted].
Once I began to study near death experience accounts I came to the conclusion that Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had simply been in error on what he taught about "Soul Sleep."
I now believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, [The First Day of Unleavened Bread in 31 C. E. apparently was on a Thursday, which strongly hints that the year of the death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was probably thirty one Current Era]. So, both Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as well as the thief that he spoke to were deceased and their spirits or souls, met in "Paradise" for an hour or two on Wednesday before sunset. I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus gave a tour of Paradise or "Heaven," to the thief on the cross, for at least an hour or so before the sun would set on Wednesday that week. I believe that the soul or eternal spirit of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus went to hell at sunset as the First Day of Unleavened Bread was about to begin. Jesus was then in the heart of the earth for seventy two hours, three days, until He was resurrected on Saturday evening at sunset on the weekly Sabbath during Unleavened Bread. I believe that the writer of the opening post knows the name of that specific Sabbath and I believe that they know that that specific Sabbath was when a Wave Sheaf was offered by the Jewish priests, the Saducees]?
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was "already risen" the next morning, Sunday morning, when Mary Magdalene and the other women went to his tomb with plans to embalm the corpse of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with special spices. They had prepared those spices on Friday of that week and then they rested on the Jewish Sabbath but early on the first day of the week, Sunday morning, they went to the tomb and found that Jesus had already risen from the dead. Assuming He was in the "heart of the earth," the grave, or Sheol, or "The Bosom of Abraham" for seventy two hours this makes for a Sabbath - Saturday evening resurrection at sunset.
This is actually a very important topic for many reasons."
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...
I do believe that near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai is correct that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus truly did descend into hell itself, [so that you and I do not have to go there]!
[Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai] :
THE DEPTHS OF VISITATION AND PRAYER: THE STEPS JESUS WENT THROUGH IN HELL
Jesus relinquished His authority, power, and His will over to the Father and the Holy Spirit. He commended His Spirit to them all as He descended into the pit. To fulfill all that was required by justice, He had to go further into hell than any man will ever have to go. He had to go to the depths of hell in order to make redemption complete. During those days in hell, He rehearsed Psalm 16 to Himself, believing that the Father would give the command for the Holy Spirit to raise Him to life again.
Christ’s journey into hell and resurrection has made my spirit a brand-new being (see 2 Cor. 5:17).
THE AGREEMENT
Jesus had an agreement with the Holy Spirit and with the Father about His activities from the time that He was born until the time that He ascended on high.
Because Jesus fulfilled all righteousness, we are therefore able to have victory without having to master situations. Remember that Jesus went before us as our High Priest. He paved the way for us to be successful in everything. He did what He did in the earth realm, and it causes you to walk in such a visitation. During prayer, because of visitation you will see your prayers immediately answered. That is because you are walking in His authority, operating the way He did while He was here on the earth.
Excerpt from Praying from the Heavenly Realms Chapter 20: The Depths of Visitation and Prayer: The Steps Jesus Went Through in Hell
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Oops... apparently I put this in the wrong forum... I had planned to put this in Religion and Spirituality... but I clicked on post a new thread from the wrong forum... my bad! Perhaps this is not entirely a bad thing because to some degree, incorrect ideas within Christian doctrines are held onto for reasons that could be termed "political" and have a lot to do with traditions and the beliefs of our parents and religious teachers who could have been partly in error.
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