A thought provoking world view necessitating introspection.

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Here is an answer given by NYT columnist, Ezra Klein, to the question..........“Why are you a liberal and not a democratic socialist?”

I think it really depends what you mean by liberal and democratic socialist. Because those things mean different things in Europe, where there are deeper traditions of both.

And I think here the liberal democratic socialist and left dimensions overlap — but are different and are referred to as different by different people. I will say — let me try to do this in stages. I’m a liberal because I believe life is fundamentally unfair. I believe both life is fundamentally unfair, and I believe we deserve partial credit at best for how we do in it.

Not our fault that we were born to poorer parents. Not our fault we were born with dyslexia or without the iron will somebody else might have had. And also, on the other side of that, often not our fault that we were such hard workers, that our particular mix of intelligence and capacity was the right fit for the society we were in at the right time, and we had the resources or good luck to take advantage of it.

I am very well suited to a society that highly values abstract communication and not that well suited to a society that requires you to know where you’re going or to work a lot with your hands.


I have two friends in particular who have been very successful in life, financially speaking. I've known one since 1st grade and the other since I was 17. One is the definition of a "self made man," having come from a very modest background who became a multi-millionaire. They are both fine people I'm proud to call my friends and both are Repubs (they didn't start out that way). One voted for trump this time around, the other wrote in Nikki Haley.

Perhaps not coincidently, they have the same blind spot. They attribute their success exclusively to hard work. To be sure they have worked hard. But they had unmistakable advantages as well. Both are white men, both grew up in MA where opportunities abounded, both came from stable families with solid role models, both are highly intelligent, both were born with a drive to succeed.

When I saw Michael Moore's, "Capitalism; A Love Story," I was struck by some of the people he interviewed living in European countries (I can't remember which ones). I found the way they spoke about their less fortunate, fellow citizens verged on familial. They displayed, to me, what I considered extraordinary generosity of spirit as someone who has lived his life in a very different culture. Which is not to say Americans are not generous in their own way. But it's a different mindset.

So.........do people who are less fortunate deserve the support of their fellow citizens as Klein implies? Is a difference of opinion on that subject the fundamental reason some of us are liberals and some are conservatives?
 
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So.........do people who are less fortunate deserve the support of their fellow citizens as Klein implies?
Not according to conservative social dogma – if one is less fortunate, he has only himself to blame; indeed, fortune has nothing to do with it. If one is poor, it’s the consequence of his own faults and failings, deserving no support or assistance from one’s fellow citizens.

Conservativism is the bane of humankind.
 
Not according to conservative social dogma – if one is less fortunate, he has only himself to blame; indeed, fortune has nothing to do with it. If one is poor, it’s the consequence of his own faults and failings, deserving no support or assistance from one’s fellow citizens.

Conservativism is the bane of humankind.
^^^
The irony of this assclown parachuting into a thread mentioning the word introspection is off the charts. :rofl:
 
Not according to conservative social dogma – if one is less fortunate, he has only himself to blame; indeed, fortune has nothing to do with it. If one is poor, it’s the consequence of his own faults and failings, deserving no support or assistance from one’s fellow citizens.

Conservativism is the bane of humankind.
Many Europeans have an ethos we Americans do not have. I recall Moore speaking with physicians who lived a comfortable but not lavish life. Happy to sacrifice what they could be earning here for the opportunity to help the sick. Happy to contribute to the welfare of their country and countrymen.
 
Many Europeans have an ethos we Americans do not have. I recall Moore speaking with physicians who lived a comfortable but not lavish life. Happy to sacrifice what they could be earning here for the opportunity to help the sick. Happy to contribute to the welfare of their country and countrymen.
Then move your narrow ingrate ass to Europe...Problem solved.
 
Here is an answer given by NYT columnist, Ezra Klein, to the question..........“Why are you a liberal and not a democratic socialist?”

I think it really depends what you mean by liberal and democratic socialist. Because those things mean different things in Europe, where there are deeper traditions of both.

And I think here the liberal democratic socialist and left dimensions overlap — but are different and are referred to as different by different people. I will say — let me try to do this in stages. I’m a liberal because I believe life is fundamentally unfair. I believe both life is fundamentally unfair, and I believe we deserve partial credit at best for how we do in it.

Not our fault that we were born to poorer parents. Not our fault we were born with dyslexia or without the iron will somebody else might have had. And also, on the other side of that, often not our fault that we were such hard workers, that our particular mix of intelligence and capacity was the right fit for the society we were in at the right time, and we had the resources or good luck to take advantage of it.

I am very well suited to a society that highly values abstract communication and not that well suited to a society that requires you to know where you’re going or to work a lot with your hands.


I have two friends in particular who have been very successful in life, financially speaking. I've known one since 1st grade and the other since I was 17. One is the definition of a "self made man," having come from a very modest background who became a multi-millionaire. They are both fine people I'm proud to call my friends and both are Repubs (they didn't start out that way). One voted for trump this time around, the other wrote in Nikki Haley.

Perhaps not coincidently, they have the same blind spot. They attribute their success exclusively to hard work. To be sure they have worked hard. But they had unmistakable advantages as well. Both are white men, both grew up in MA where opportunities abounded, both came from stable families with solid role models, both are highly intelligent, both were born with a drive to succeed.

When I saw Michael Moore's, "Capitalism; A Love Story," I was struck by some of the people he interviewed living in European countries (I can't remember which ones). I found the way they spoke about their less fortunate, fellow citizens verged on familial. They displayed, to me, what I considered extraordinary generosity of spirit as someone who has lived his life in a very different culture. Which is not to say Americans are not generous in their own way. But it's a different mindset.

So.........do people who are less fortunate deserve the support of their fellow citizens as Klein implies? Is a difference of opinion on that subject the fundamental reason some of us are liberals and some are conservatives?
We need a vomit smiley......
 
Many Europeans have an ethos we Americans do not have. I recall Moore speaking with physicians who lived a comfortable but not lavish life. Happy to sacrifice what they could be earning here for the opportunity to help the sick. Happy to contribute to the welfare of their country and countrymen.
America is NOT Europe....Though you wish it were....
 

A thought provoking world view necessitating introspection.​


Where ?
Provide a link .
A new departure for you , Bugger
Perhaps you should consider turning over a new leaf for the new year. More intellect, less gratuitous insults. Assuming you have the capacity for the former.
 
Many Europeans have an ethos we Americans do not have. I recall Moore speaking with physicians who lived a comfortable but not lavish life. Happy to sacrifice what they could be earning here for the opportunity to help the sick. Happy to contribute to the welfare of their country and countrymen.
Europeans don’t subscribe to Social Darwinism as American conservative do.

In fact, American conservatives are the outliers in the West – for example, during their 14 years of rule, no conservative PM advanced the idea of eliminating the UK’s single-payer healthcare system.

Only American conservatives advocate allowing citizens to suffer having no access to affordable healthcare.
 
Europeans don’t subscribe to Social Darwinism as American conservative do.

In fact, American conservatives are the outliers in the West – for example, during their 14 years of rule, no conservative PM advanced the idea of eliminating the UK’s single-payer healthcare system.

Only American conservatives advocate allowing citizens to suffer having no access to affordable healthcare.
Healthcare is one of the touchstone issues in the US. I'll never understand the kind of mentality resulting in unnecessary human suffering.
 
Perhaps you should consider turning over a new leaf for the new year. More intellect, less gratuitous insults. Assuming you have the capacity for the former.


I treat poor quality as necessary .

You qualify -- one of those Reader's Digest type scribblers .
Full of self importance but very little substance.


But it's your style that is so irritating --- like a senior grader trying to write his first serious essay .
 
Here is an answer given by NYT columnist, Ezra Klein, to the question..........“Why are you a liberal and not a democratic socialist?”

I think it really depends what you mean by liberal and democratic socialist. Because those things mean different things in Europe, where there are deeper traditions of both.

And I think here the liberal democratic socialist and left dimensions overlap — but are different and are referred to as different by different people. I will say — let me try to do this in stages. I’m a liberal because I believe life is fundamentally unfair. I believe both life is fundamentally unfair, and I believe we deserve partial credit at best for how we do in it.

Not our fault that we were born to poorer parents. Not our fault we were born with dyslexia or without the iron will somebody else might have had. And also, on the other side of that, often not our fault that we were such hard workers, that our particular mix of intelligence and capacity was the right fit for the society we were in at the right time, and we had the resources or good luck to take advantage of it.

I am very well suited to a society that highly values abstract communication and not that well suited to a society that requires you to know where you’re going or to work a lot with your hands.


I have two friends in particular who have been very successful in life, financially speaking. I've known one since 1st grade and the other since I was 17. One is the definition of a "self made man," having come from a very modest background who became a multi-millionaire. They are both fine people I'm proud to call my friends and both are Repubs (they didn't start out that way). One voted for trump this time around, the other wrote in Nikki Haley.

Perhaps not coincidently, they have the same blind spot. They attribute their success exclusively to hard work. To be sure they have worked hard. But they had unmistakable advantages as well. Both are white men, both grew up in MA where opportunities abounded, both came from stable families with solid role models, both are highly intelligent, both were born with a drive to succeed.

When I saw Michael Moore's, "Capitalism; A Love Story," I was struck by some of the people he interviewed living in European countries (I can't remember which ones). I found the way they spoke about their less fortunate, fellow citizens verged on familial. They displayed, to me, what I considered extraordinary generosity of spirit as someone who has lived his life in a very different culture. Which is not to say Americans are not generous in their own way. But it's a different mindset.

So.........do people who are less fortunate deserve the support of their fellow citizens as Klein implies? Is a difference of opinion on that subject the fundamental reason some of us are liberals and some are conservatives?
Ezra Klein is a clown and a very stupid person. Similar to luiza
 
Ezra Klein is a clown and a very stupid person. Similar to Luiza

Always a possibility .
But coming from a distant planet in another Galaxy
your comment is funny .
Guess you are still smarting from me chopping you to pieces a couple of days ago .

Small time Silly Hilly Billy meets Lady in the Manor .

Azov the Defiler --- does it mean a person who shits their own trousers ?
 
Always a possibility .
But coming from a distant planet in another Galaxy
your comment is funny .
Guess you are still smarting from me chopping you to pieces a couple of days ago .

Small time Silly Hilly Billy meets Lady in the Manor .

Azov the Defiler --- does it mean a person who shits their own trousers ?
Another nonsensical post from you. Tell me again how you’re a “professional gambler” and completely misread the latest Fury fight.

If you can’t find the sucker at the poker table, that sucker is you.

Sucker
 
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