CDZ A thought on armed teachers - how we could make it work

[rightwinger]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

One does not have to be ex-military or a former policeman to be competent to handle a firearm. All is needed is a little training for those that need it. But this and of itself is not going to solve the problem.............a three pronged approach is needed..........1. Force Schools to deal with bullies.......a major source of motivation for school shooters....they have been or are being bullied and the school does not deal with it. 2. Make sure mentally ill people cannot legally obtain weapons. 3. Arm the teachers and school administrators.

I disagree on a "little" training for armed teachers
Dealing with an active shooter is a difficult situation. Many cops can't handle it
There needs to be serious training and strict rules of engagement before we allow armed teachers

No matter how many times you are told that you cannot be trained for being shot at you keep repeating the same ignorant bullshit. Why is that? You don't want to keep killers out of schools do you? All you can do is try to keep your wits about you and shoot back. If someone has a gun in a school and is killing people or trying to, that should enough for even the most simple minded fool to know they are the threat and to shoot them.

Cops are trained all the time
Active shooter is an extremely stressful situation. Expecting untrained teachers to react correctly and not do more damage is unreasonable

 

[rightwinger]

I'd like to hear from local police on armed, untrained teachers in the schools

Do police want to enter a situation with multiple civilians having guns?

 

[jon_berzerk]

agree. But then, I think if we spent more on education we would have a better society and probably fewer of these tragedie

We've tried pouring more money in

Let the public license know schools have armed and trained teachers

I like this better than tossing 2nd ammendment

tossing the 2nd Amendment will not stop the shooters

a good guy with a gun would

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Every teacher needs to take a gun course, and wear their guns in the classrooms and at all times while on campus. 30 teacher's shooting back at you would be a deterrent, and could save countless lives.
One door in, one door out, with a guard.
Not a student, then no entry.
Parents volunteer as hall and campus monitors.
Parents, monitor your children, and be aware of their social media.
Raise your children to respect their own life and the lives of others.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

So when teachers have to spend money out of their own pocket at virtually EVERY school, so the kids will have what they need, the answer is "No!". But when it comes to spending lots of money to arm teachers for a relatively rare occurrance, somehow the money is there?

Will these retired military "teachers" be able to teach? People spend years learning to do it, and the test scores are still slipping. People with no experience will be able to do the job?

That's why regular teachers should have a gun and CCW allowance.

Armed teachers should not be required to conceal their weapons ...they should be in plain view so that any potential shooter would understand that his violence would be met with immediate force.

We don't need teachers flaunting their weapons in school

Makes dealings with students awkward

Nonsense.............you seem to be afflicted with Hoplophobia. Wearing a weapon in a proper holster is not flaunting a weapon either. It is coinfused folks like you that prevent solutions to the school shooting problem.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Every teacher needs to take a gun course, and wear their guns in the classrooms and at all times while on campus. 30 teacher's shooting back at you would be a deterrent, and could save countless lives.
One door in, one door out, with a guard.
Not a student, then no entry.
Parents volunteer as hall and campus monitors.
Parents, monitor your children, and be aware of their social media.
Raise your children to respect their own life and the lives of others.

I wonder what percentage of the progressives would choose the sign on the left? I would predict the majority. A lack of common sense is prevalent in that group.

 

[bodecea]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

A good plan, imo

 

[2aguy]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

It wouldn't have to be a teacher......there are many people in a school that have less time with students and would be more likely to be around the building during the day...Secretaries in the office, the Principle, the Librarians, janitors or instructional aides....

The biggest thing would be to simply get rid of the gun free zone......allow parents to carry their legally owned guns with them....mass shooters would never know who was armed or where in the building they would be, so they would be forced to pick a different target......

 

[2aguy]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

You are behind...there are many states that already allow teachers to be armed......it is already happening in schools around the country.....

 

[TheGreenHornet]

agree. But then, I think if we spent more on education we would have a better society and probably fewer of these tragedie

We've tried pouring more money in

Let the public license know schools have armed and trained teachers

I like this better than tossing 2nd ammendment

tossing the 2nd Amendment will not stop the shooters

a good guy with a gun would

Though the media tries to not talk about when a good guy takes out a bad guy with a gun....it happens quite often and Arming at least some of the teachers in the schools would be a huge step in the right direction. How long does it take the cops to get to a school? Too long............a teacher on the spot with a weapon would be very helpful...and the more of them the better....anyone that cannot grasp that is very coinfused.

 

[bodecea]

So when teachers have to spend money out of their own pocket at virtually EVERY school, so the kids will have what they need, the answer is "No!". But when it comes to spending lots of money to arm teachers for a relatively rare occurrance, somehow the money is there?

Will these retired military "teachers" be able to teach? People spend years learning to do it, and the test scores are still slipping. People with no experience will be able to do the job?

We spend a lot on education. Where is the money going?

Books for one...school textbook publishing companies have quite the scam going.

 

[2aguy]

I can't see any value in it all. Stop worrying about all the control freak bullshit and just let the teachers who want to carry, carry. Problem solved. Not one of these retarded lib freaks has came with anything that will stop it except the tired and worn out taking more guns away from people who had nothing to do with it.

Take a deep breath there, Mike. You will feel better soon.

I don't feel bad at all. All these people all over wringing their hands and proposing all these "solutions" and coming up with all kind of schemes is ridiculous. Not talking about the OP, just in general. All these pricks want is eventual gun removal which will make crime skyrocket.

There have been 18 school shootings SO FAR THIS YEAR!!!!!!! 6 WEEKS!!!!! But doing nothing is ok?

Wow....that lie is already two days old......no less than the Washington Post debunked that lie...along with all the other places that showed that Everytown for Gun Safety are liars....

 

[rightwinger]

Every teacher needs to take a gun course, and wear their guns in the classrooms and at all times while on campus. 30 teacher's shooting back at you would be a deterrent, and could save countless lives.
One door in, one door out, with a guard.
Not a student, then no entry.
Parents volunteer as hall and campus monitors.
Parents, monitor your children, and be aware of their social media.
Raise your children to respect their own life and the lives of others.

Prayer U

What a dipshit

 

[rightwinger]

So when teachers have to spend money out of their own pocket at virtually EVERY school, so the kids will have what they need, the answer is "No!". But when it comes to spending lots of money to arm teachers for a relatively rare occurrance, somehow the money is there?

Will these retired military "teachers" be able to teach? People spend years learning to do it, and the test scores are still slipping. People with no experience will be able to do the job?

That's why regular teachers should have a gun and CCW allowance.

Armed teachers should not be required to conceal their weapons ...they should be in plain view so that any potential shooter would understand that his violence would be met with immediate force.

We don't need teachers flaunting their weapons in school

Makes dealings with students awkward

Nonsense.............you seem to be afflicted with Hoplophobia. Wearing a weapon in a proper holster is not flaunting a weapon either. It is coinfused folks like you that prevent solutions to the school shooting problem.

No teachers wearing open firearms is freaking creepy

 

[SassyIrishLass]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

You are behind...there are many states that already allow teachers to be armed......it is already happening in schools around the country.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-have-guns-and-theyre-not-afraid-to-use-them/

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Every teacher needs to take a gun course, and wear their guns in the classrooms and at all times while on campus. 30 teacher's shooting back at you would be a deterrent, and could save countless lives.
One door in, one door out, with a guard.
Not a student, then no entry.
Parents volunteer as hall and campus monitors.
Parents, monitor your children, and be aware of their social media.
Raise your children to respect their own life and the lives of others.

Prayer U

What a dipshit

You'd know dipshit, troll.

 

[2aguy]

Very interesting to say the least. Why do you see Alabama or Louisiana as easy testing grounds for said program?

Two states that I think would be receptive to the idea and be easier to pass this and test the idea

Texas already allows this on a smaller scale, but not as a matter of actual policy

Doesn't Texas lock the doors and station 2 or 3 teacher's, resource officers at front door with an overhead security camera and you have to pass through these people in to get into the school?

I like the idea of metal detector's and door locking after everyone reports to school.

I spoke with a resource officer yesterday at our local schools he said it would be a nightmare if every teacher had a gun. It would make it very difficult when a swat team arrived to distinguish legal gun carrying teachers from the bad guys. But maybe just a few trained ex military is a good idea.

Total gun banner nonsense. If a teacher takes the shooter out, what are they all gonna keep shooting at? You people get more ridiculous everyday. But dont worry, if the teachers do shoot the guy, the will know who the shooter is. He'll be the dead guy with the gun.

No you people don't know your ass from a hole in a ground. When there are 50 teachers shooting who the hell do the cops know who the real shooter is? Answer that asshat. Some schools are big enough that every teacher doesn't know the other teachers. Think about that clown.

We have had mass public shootings with armed citizens in the middle of them and nothing you posted happened.....the Giffords shooting, two concealed carriers, the Dallas black lives matter shooter, there were people there with AR-15s in slings as well as pistols......nothing you guys say has any bearing on reality...

 

[2aguy]

That number is also largely propaganda, and has little to do with the actual school shootings we are discussing. When the list was published after the Kentucky school shooting, it included so bogus additions to the list. At least 2 of them were suicides by students. The fact that they used a gun was incidental. They would have done it anyway. One of the "school shootings" on that list is a pellet gun shooting of a school bus window. And one of the "school shootings" was a 30something year old man who committed suicide in the parking lot of an empty school. But the fact that he used a gun in an empty school parking lot makes it the same as some lunatic killing 12 or 17 kids? No. This kind of smear propaganda does no one any good.

Okay then 14 SHOOTINGS AT SCHOOLS THIS YEAR!!!!! IN 6 WEEKS!!!!!!

Is that better somehow?

The shooting in KY was the first fatalities in school shootings that were not self-inflicted. I know of 2 actual school shootings (of the type we are discussing). While both are tragic, including a suicide by a 35 year old man in an empty parking lot, or 2 gangbangers shooting at each other are not the issue being discussed.

An armed shooter trying to kill as many as possible? There have been 2 in 2018.

Okay then 2 MASS SHOOTINGS AT SCHOOLS THIS YEAR!!!!! IN 6 WEEKS!!!!!!

Is that better somehow?

It is at least accurate.

And just as an FYI, school shootings like the one we are discussing account for around 1% to 2% of the average annual gun murders in the US. There is always a huge reaction to the 1% to 2%, but the other 98% to 99% seem to be acceptable?

If you can't protect the children of your country, you live in a bankrupt state. What will be good for the children will also be good for everyone else.

Norway didn't protect their children...over 80 murdered by their mass shooter, dittos Russia, the Brezlan attack.....

 

[TheGreenHornet]

My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

It wouldn't have to be a teacher......there are many people in a school that have less time with students and would be more likely to be around the building during the day...Secretaries in the office, the Principle, the Librarians, janitors or instructional aides....

The biggest thing would be to simply get rid of the gun free zone......allow parents to carry their legally owned guns with them....mass shooters would never know who was armed or where in the building they would be, so they would be forced to pick a different target......

Yes....a good idea. It might not stop all the shootings but it would definitely restrict the number of victims as the shooter would be forced to deal with armed people instead of having a lot of time to keep reloading and shooting defenseless kids. People need to get their congressman on board with this....it should be nationwide priority to get this program going as soon as possible. They could set up classes at the school for teachers to be trained in the use of a firearm. Those who are willing and qualified should get a bonus in their paychecks...not a huge amount but at least enough to pay for their weapon and ammunition...and training time. This could be done and quickly.

 

[2aguy]

School teachers should not be a Quick Reaction Force. If an Instructor is CW, s/he should secure his/her classroom and hunker down.

The money needs to be in 'hardening' the entry points to as school and adding an extra SRO to each school.

Agree...it all comes down to expectations

We would not expect a lone policeman to engage a shooter armed with an AR-15. They have learned how to handle shooters and rushing in, guns ablazing is not the way it is done

If we have armed teachers, we should prepare for the result where an armed teacher does absolutely nothing

I wonder how much help it would be to have armed teachers (a few of our schools have a teacher with a gun locked away) if the gunman didn't happen to start in her classroom.

The point is the shooter knowing that there are armed people in the building.......we know from their own statements, and from their notes, that they choose gun free zones to attack....they change their targets when they determine there will be armed resistance.......