A Slow But Steady Genocide

before Constantine, christians were considered a sect of judaism and both were persecuted by the Romans.

As usual, you are wrong. Christians were persecuted, Jews were not. Why do you always write nonsense?


"By the beginning of the first century AD, Jews had spread from their homeland in Judaea across the Mediterranean and there were major Jewish communities in Syria, Egypt, and Greece. Practicing a very different religion from that of their neighbors, they were often unpopular. As a result, Jewish communities were often close-knit, to protect themselves and their faith.

Jews in Rome

Jews had lived in Rome since the second century BC. Julius Caesar and Augustus supported laws that allowed Jews protection to worship as they chose. Synagogues were classified as colleges to get around Roman laws banning secret societies and the temples were allowed to collect the yearly tax paid by all Jewish men for temple maintenance.

There had been upsets: Jews had been banished from Rome in 139 BC, again in 19 AD and during the reign of Claudius. However, they were soon allowed to return and continue their independent existence under Roman law.


The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS
 
Actually, the Jewish minority welcomed the arrival of the Muslims in places like Palestine. The Jew's main enemies were the Christians when Palestine was under Byzantine rule. Even pre-Islam the Jews of Anatolia (around Antioch) allied themselves with the Sasanians (Persians) and together overthrew the Byzantines and massacred all the Christians of Jerusalem around 614. The Sasanians allowed the Anatolian Jews to rule Jerusalem until the Byzantines retook the city and then massacred the Jews that did not flee in 628 AD. The Arabs conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantines in 637 and Jews accompanying the Muslims were able to resettle in Jerusalem. This is not a secret, it is all available just Google.
I see, so that one sided view of history while ignoring Muslims killing 270 million non Muslims, cancels out all those Islamic terrorists yelling "Allah Akbar, kill all the Jews and Christians" while holding a Koran in one hand and a bomb in the other.

Apparently we're looking for the wrong people at airports, malls, and other public venues.

Ahsoooo, arigato. Nice try, no cigar. :lmao:

Here, look this up:

Tears of Jihad

Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[WomanÂ’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus

Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists

Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

There is a lot of anti-Muslim propaganda out there.

But in any case, Christians have killed far more than Muslims. Of course we have a few centuries head start. After Constantine's conversion, for example, millions of Jews and followers of Roman/Greek/Eastern pagan religions were killed because they refused to convert. There are texts that say that the Byzantines would kill children found playing with pagan artifacts. Of course, I can't say I believe it. Note: Before Constantine, Jews could practice Judaism freely in the Roman empire, Christians were the ones oppressed.
Baloney all those massacres and genocides by Muslims are true.

Since you're a Mooooslem historian you should know that there would have been no Crusades or Inquisitions had Mooooslems not invaded Christian Europe and caused the Europeans to defend their lands, MOHOMOD
 
before Constantine, christians were considered a sect of judaism and both were persecuted by the Romans.

As usual, you are wrong. Christians were persecuted, Jews were not. Why do you always write nonsense?


"By the beginning of the first century AD, Jews had spread from their homeland in Judaea across the Mediterranean and there were major Jewish communities in Syria, Egypt, and Greece. Practicing a very different religion from that of their neighbors, they were often unpopular. As a result, Jewish communities were often close-knit, to protect themselves and their faith.

Jews in Rome

Jews had lived in Rome since the second century BC. Julius Caesar and Augustus supported laws that allowed Jews protection to worship as they chose. Synagogues were classified as colleges to get around Roman laws banning secret societies and the temples were allowed to collect the yearly tax paid by all Jewish men for temple maintenance.

There had been upsets: Jews had been banished from Rome in 139 BC, again in 19 AD and during the reign of Claudius. However, they were soon allowed to return and continue their independent existence under Roman law.


The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS
According to your link the Jews caught holy hell. So don't be telling Aris she's wrong.
 
before Constantine, christians were considered a sect of judaism and both were persecuted by the Romans.

As usual, you are wrong. Christians were persecuted, Jews were not. Why do you always write nonsense?


"By the beginning of the first century AD, Jews had spread from their homeland in Judaea across the Mediterranean and there were major Jewish communities in Syria, Egypt, and Greece. Practicing a very different religion from that of their neighbors, they were often unpopular. As a result, Jewish communities were often close-knit, to protect themselves and their faith.

Jews in Rome

Jews had lived in Rome since the second century BC. Julius Caesar and Augustus supported laws that allowed Jews protection to worship as they chose. Synagogues were classified as colleges to get around Roman laws banning secret societies and the temples were allowed to collect the yearly tax paid by all Jewish men for temple maintenance.

There had been upsets: Jews had been banished from Rome in 139 BC, again in 19 AD and during the reign of Claudius. However, they were soon allowed to return and continue their independent existence under Roman law.


The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS


A Calendar of Jewish Persecution
70 A.D. Destruction of Jerusalem 1,100,000 Jews were killed and 97,000 taken into slavery and captivity.
115 Rebellion of the Jews in Mesopotania, Egypt, Cyrene and Cyprus. Jews and Romans inflicted many barbaric atrocities on each other, causing the death of several hundreds of thousands of Romans and Jews.
132-35 The Bar Kochba rebellion (Bar Kochba was a false Messiah). Caused the death of 500,000 Jews; thousands were sold into slavery or taken into captivity.
135 Roman Emperor Hadrian commenced his persecution of the Jews. Jerusalem established as a pagan city. Erection of a Jupiter temple on the temple mountain (Moriah) and a temple to Venus on Golgotha. Jews were forbidden to practice circumcision, the reading of the Law, eating of unleavened bread at Passover or any Jewish festival. Infringement of this edict brought the death penalty.
315 Constantine the Great established "Christianity" as the State religion throughout the Roman Empire; issued many anti-Jewish laws.
379-95 Theodosius the Great expelled Jews from any official gate position or place of honor. Permitted the destruction of their synagogues if by so doing, it served a religious purpose.
 
Well, since you know more than a serious historical study, what can I say. But, you are full of crap as usual. Think about it, why would PBS lie?
 
I suspect your info comes from a Jewish site, with no historical sources, that's normal for you not to provide links. But, I am on to you, and you know it. You fake.
 
Well, since you know more than a serious historical study, what can I say. But, you are full of crap as usual. Think about it, why would PBS lie?
You're daft. Aris has truthful facts, not wishful fantasies of the Arabian Nights.
 
You mean you can't do what Arabs did?
You got serious mental issues, dude.

I said you can't do what Zionists did and you thought I was talking about Arabs?

Whether an honest mis-understanding or done deliberately, not being able to deal with reality, suggests mental problems.


Invade did and force people to become Muslims at the point of the sword and slaughter the rest?
Don't change the subject.


You just recited the history of Islam. Ha ha ha.
All religions have a history of slaughter in their past.
 
I was so shocked to learn of Israel's "slow but steady" GENOCIDE of the Palestinians that I want all of the Zionists here to also see the truth.

In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. Shame on Israel for allowing this to happen.


Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

Are those numbers correct ,the population went from 1.2 Million to 6 Million - the palestinian pop. more than quadrupled - what am I missing here?
 
So that's why Muslims yell death the the Jews and Christians while waving their Koran? Must be all that love.
Since love is the one thing that is absent in all of your posts, there is no point discussing that issue with you.
 
I was so shocked to learn of Israel's "slow but steady" GENOCIDE of the Palestinians that I want all of the Zionists here to also see the truth.

In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. Shame on Israel for allowing this to happen.


Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
so let Me get this straight. 1.2 > 6 ??

What?

Seems to Me that they are growing.
 
So that's why Muslims yell death the the Jews and Christians while waving their Koran? Must be all that love.
Since love is the one thing that is absent in all of your posts, there is no point discussing that issue with you.
Love, my friend, is an abcess that forms in your mind and bursts in your loins. Are you sure you want to discuss this with another man? Just sayin'.
 
Hamas stealing medicine and
food sent by international donors
Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook


Hamas has been stealing medicine and food sent by international donors, distributing these supplies among its members and selling the rest for profit. This accusation, appearing in numerous eyewitness reports in Palestinian Authority newspapers since the end of the Gaza War, has now been corroborated by UNRWA.

Al-Ayyam and Al-Hayat Al-Jadida have been reporting that armed Hamas men have comandeered trucks delivering food to UNRWA and have shot at the truck drivers.
Hamas has also refused to allow charities to distribute any of the supplies. An article in Al-Hayat Al-Jadida describes how Hamas militias took control of two charity organizations in Jabaliya and in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip, and made them sign an agreement not to distribute any aid or "carry out social or humanitarian actions."

The following are multiple reports of Hamas's continuing theft of donor aid.
"UNWRA reported yesterday that Hamas police confiscated supplies of humanitarian aid from one of the distribution points under its control in Gaza. Two days ago, they report, more than 3,500 blankets and 406 food parcels were confiscated by Hamas police officials."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Feb. 5, 2009]

"Yesterday the Hamas militias took control of two charity organizations in Jabaliya and in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip. Sources said that the Hamas militias took control over the Association for the Disabled in Jabaliya, and the "Our Home" association in Beit Lahiya. They forced the people in charge of the two [charity] organizations to sign that they obligate themselves not to distribute any aid or carry out social or humanitarian actions."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 28, 2009]

"[Hamas] took control by armed force of the aid trucks and of the goods that were sent to the private sector. The supplies were distributed between the [Hamas] party members and afterwards the remainder was put up for sale at exorbitant prices... People's stories range from stories of murder of innocent people in cold blood to the unloading of bags of flour to the houses of Hamas activists while their neighbors were left starving. When they asked [for some of the flour] they were offered to buy at prices which they could not afford to pay."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 22, 2009]

"Hamas kidnaps Fatah members while they distribute aid ... Armed Hamas members kidnapped Fatah movement members yesterday while they were distributing aid to citizens... they also attacked a senior policeman wildly... and refused to transfer him to hospital for treatment after the attack."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 28, 2009]

Headline: "Minister for Social Affairs: The Ministry concentrates on rescue and rehabilitation activities while Hamas confiscates the aid and sells it

"[Minister for Social Affairs] Al-Habbash clarified that the [Palestinian] Authority ... used to send [aid] through the UN institutions and the World Food Programs or directly. He emphasized that Hamas has taken control over this aid and has prevented its reaching the citizens... 'When the [Israeli] aggression ended, the Hamas members came out and began to carry out robberies of the aid convoys and take the aid. On the 19th and 20th of this month they took over 63 trucks loaded with food, which were expected to arrive at the [UNRWA] relief agencies...

"They [Hamas] take control over everything that falls into their hands,
they present it at the market and sell it ...

"He added that Hamas disseminated among the grocers and the food distributors, [orders] preventing them from selling [large] quantities of food, unless it is with permission of Hamas, even if is a person wants to buy quantities [of food] in order to distribute it as charity among people. He directed attention to the fact that the aid that reaches Hamas, it distributes among its [own] people and the rest it sells."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 29, 2009]

Headline:
"Al-Habbash: Aid entering Gaza is no longer safe after [Hamas] has taken 63 trucks of food and medicine"

"[Palestinian] Minister for Social Affairs, Mahmoud Al-Habbash, said: 'During the last three days, armed [activists] who belong to the Hamas movement have taken control of 63 trucks delivering aid consisting of food and medicine, which were on their way to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), after shooting at the drivers...
'Unfortunately the way the aid enters into the Gaza Strip has not been safe during the last three days ... Hamas has executed 19 civilians, and has shot another 63 civilians in the legs ...'

"Regarding Hamas's taking the aid he said: 'The movement sells part of the aid on the open market and to private pharmacies, and the rest it distributes among its members, that is the message of hundreds of complaints from Gaza citizens received every day at the Ministry for Social Affairs
' ... and he said that he has evidence from drivers who were shot before the contents of their trucks were requisitioned by force..."
[Al-Ayyam, Jan. 22, 2009]

This has been ongoing


BBC News - UN suspends Gaza food centres after compound attack
Excuse me, but why does your link not include any of what you posted?


This is what your link says...

The UN says it is suspending all its food distribution centres in the Gaza Strip after protesters angered by aid cutbacks stormed one of its compounds.

The UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said the centres would stay closed until it received security assurances for its property and staff.

It said it was trying to mitigate the effects caused by cuts in cash payments to some of Gaza's poorest families.

Unrwa provides aid for an estimated 800,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

It runs dozens of schools and medical clinics and distributes food to many of the territory's 1.7 million residents, but says it is grappling with a huge budget deficit.

Correspondents say the suspension of food aid will cause more hardship for people in Gaza already hit by Israeli and Egyptian controls on its borders.
Your link also stated Hamas "stopped" violence against UNRWA.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for Hamas which governs Gaza, said they condemned any violence against Unrwa but described the decision to close the food centres as "unjustified".

"When the administration of Unrwa asked the Palestinian security to intervene they arrived and stopped the chaos. We are asking Unrwa to rethink their decision," he said.

Unrwa says financial support for its programmes to help Palestinian refugees hasn't kept up with the deepening poverty of those in need.

It says it is currently grappling with a deficit of more than $67m (£44m).
If Gazans weren't starving, why would 800,000 of them depend on UNRWA aid?
 
This is a crime and a sin. And George and the ilk argue that Hamas is a kind and benevolent organization doing everything for the good of the people. Next time the IDF has to clean out Gaza each and every member of Hamas should be lined up and summarily shot. Without trial and without exception.
I take it you didn't check his link, which doesn't say any of that?
 
15th post
Hamas stealing medicine and
food sent by international donors
Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook


Hamas has been stealing medicine and food sent by international donors, distributing these supplies among its members and selling the rest for profit. This accusation, appearing in numerous eyewitness reports in Palestinian Authority newspapers since the end of the Gaza War, has now been corroborated by UNRWA.

Al-Ayyam and Al-Hayat Al-Jadida have been reporting that armed Hamas men have comandeered trucks delivering food to UNRWA and have shot at the truck drivers.
Hamas has also refused to allow charities to distribute any of the supplies. An article in Al-Hayat Al-Jadida describes how Hamas militias took control of two charity organizations in Jabaliya and in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip, and made them sign an agreement not to distribute any aid or "carry out social or humanitarian actions."

The following are multiple reports of Hamas's continuing theft of donor aid.
"UNWRA reported yesterday that Hamas police confiscated supplies of humanitarian aid from one of the distribution points under its control in Gaza. Two days ago, they report, more than 3,500 blankets and 406 food parcels were confiscated by Hamas police officials."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Feb. 5, 2009]

"Yesterday the Hamas militias took control of two charity organizations in Jabaliya and in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip. Sources said that the Hamas militias took control over the Association for the Disabled in Jabaliya, and the "Our Home" association in Beit Lahiya. They forced the people in charge of the two [charity] organizations to sign that they obligate themselves not to distribute any aid or carry out social or humanitarian actions."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 28, 2009]

"[Hamas] took control by armed force of the aid trucks and of the goods that were sent to the private sector. The supplies were distributed between the [Hamas] party members and afterwards the remainder was put up for sale at exorbitant prices... People's stories range from stories of murder of innocent people in cold blood to the unloading of bags of flour to the houses of Hamas activists while their neighbors were left starving. When they asked [for some of the flour] they were offered to buy at prices which they could not afford to pay."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 22, 2009]

"Hamas kidnaps Fatah members while they distribute aid ... Armed Hamas members kidnapped Fatah movement members yesterday while they were distributing aid to citizens... they also attacked a senior policeman wildly... and refused to transfer him to hospital for treatment after the attack."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 28, 2009]

Headline: "Minister for Social Affairs: The Ministry concentrates on rescue and rehabilitation activities while Hamas confiscates the aid and sells it

"[Minister for Social Affairs] Al-Habbash clarified that the [Palestinian] Authority ... used to send [aid] through the UN institutions and the World Food Programs or directly. He emphasized that Hamas has taken control over this aid and has prevented its reaching the citizens... 'When the [Israeli] aggression ended, the Hamas members came out and began to carry out robberies of the aid convoys and take the aid. On the 19th and 20th of this month they took over 63 trucks loaded with food, which were expected to arrive at the [UNRWA] relief agencies...

"They [Hamas] take control over everything that falls into their hands,
they present it at the market and sell it ...

"He added that Hamas disseminated among the grocers and the food distributors, [orders] preventing them from selling [large] quantities of food, unless it is with permission of Hamas, even if is a person wants to buy quantities [of food] in order to distribute it as charity among people. He directed attention to the fact that the aid that reaches Hamas, it distributes among its [own] people and the rest it sells."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 29, 2009]

Headline:
"Al-Habbash: Aid entering Gaza is no longer safe after [Hamas] has taken 63 trucks of food and medicine"

"[Palestinian] Minister for Social Affairs, Mahmoud Al-Habbash, said: 'During the last three days, armed [activists] who belong to the Hamas movement have taken control of 63 trucks delivering aid consisting of food and medicine, which were on their way to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), after shooting at the drivers...
'Unfortunately the way the aid enters into the Gaza Strip has not been safe during the last three days ... Hamas has executed 19 civilians, and has shot another 63 civilians in the legs ...'

"Regarding Hamas's taking the aid he said: 'The movement sells part of the aid on the open market and to private pharmacies, and the rest it distributes among its members, that is the message of hundreds of complaints from Gaza citizens received every day at the Ministry for Social Affairs
' ... and he said that he has evidence from drivers who were shot before the contents of their trucks were requisitioned by force..."
[Al-Ayyam, Jan. 22, 2009]

This has been ongoing


BBC News - UN suspends Gaza food centres after compound attack
Excuse me, but why does your link not include any of what you posted?


This is what your link says...

The UN says it is suspending all its food distribution centres in the Gaza Strip after protesters angered by aid cutbacks stormed one of its compounds.

The UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said the centres would stay closed until it received security assurances for its property and staff.

It said it was trying to mitigate the effects caused by cuts in cash payments to some of Gaza's poorest families.

Unrwa provides aid for an estimated 800,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

It runs dozens of schools and medical clinics and distributes food to many of the territory's 1.7 million residents, but says it is grappling with a huge budget deficit.

Correspondents say the suspension of food aid will cause more hardship for people in Gaza already hit by Israeli and Egyptian controls on its borders.
Your link also stated Hamas "stopped" violence against UNRWA.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for Hamas which governs Gaza, said they condemned any violence against Unrwa but described the decision to close the food centres as "unjustified".

"When the administration of Unrwa asked the Palestinian security to intervene they arrived and stopped the chaos. We are asking Unrwa to rethink their decision," he said.

Unrwa says financial support for its programmes to help Palestinian refugees hasn't kept up with the deepening poverty of those in need.

It says it is currently grappling with a deficit of more than $67m (£44m).
If Gazans weren't starving, why would 800,000 of them depend on UNRWA aid?

They claim to be refugees and become charity cases of the UN instead of supporting themselves. Food, medical, housing, cash income all paid by the UN.
 
Yes, by golly!!! Yahweh loved the Israelites so much he gave them a country forever and ever and a day. Nobody can change the words and say He gave it to Arafart and his mangy tribe.
HE also said Jews are to remain in exile until HE comes back down to earth and creates the state of Israel, but you didn't care to heed those words.
 
Yes, by golly!!! Yahweh loved the Israelites so much he gave them a country forever and ever and a day. Nobody can change the words and say He gave it to Arafart and his mangy tribe.
HE also said Jews are to remain in exile until HE comes back down to earth and creates the state of Israel, but you didn't care to heed those words.
Yahweh been to Earth? And gonna come back? Fancy that!

And then there's this:

Hear now Jacob my servant and Israel, whom I have chosen - Isaiah 44:1
 
The total population at the time jews were returning and buying land, including jordan, was around 500,000. That included jews and arabs. Jews have been returning throughout history. Ottomans encouraged their return from eastern europe in 1839, well before Herzl was even born.
There was 580,000 residents, of which, 60,000 were Jews.

It was the mufti a century later that incited the arabs against the jews.
How convenient. So Zionists treatment of indigenous Arabs, had nothing to do with the violence?

You don't think treating people like this, would piss them off?

"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
You're saying indigenous Arabs were fine with that?
 
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