A simple way to fix healthcare and pay off national debt in 6 years

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where do you get the idea that prices will go down?
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health care providers would have to compete for your business. That makes prices go down because only those with the best prices and quality would survive in business. We call this capitalism.

They already compete now, dumb ass.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

YOU don't! You keep saying the government already spends that much, which is a bald-faced LIE!

OP says $8000 per capita per year because that is about what nation spends now on health care!!

Do you really want me to go back and quote the numerous times you lied?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If they reduce prices by 80% there will not be a profit motive, dumb ass!
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all industries have to compete for customers ( dental, autos for example) and the best survive with supply equal to demand at prices about 80% lower than they would be without capitalist competition. Do you understand?

you are perfect proof that the average liberal lacks the IQ to understand the fundamentals of capitalism. How can America survive under the circumstances??.

I am not a liberal, but apparently you are with your big government solution to a problem best fixed by the free market.

You are so confused.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Healthcare is broken, healthcare needs to be fixed, maybe if people stop trying to make healthcare free it will fix it'self. At some point we have to look at the government and say you have screwed it up so get the hell out of it and let the free market handle the entire industry.
Of course a safety net must be in place as it always has been. We will cover and treat anyone that can't afford the treatment as we always have. But if you have the means you must cover yourself at a COMPETITIVE rate as soon as you turn 18. No free rides you will be billed for care full price if you have no coverage. If you don't pay or set up a payment plan your credit will suffer. You make it a no brainer to have insurance. Not a penalty if you don't just a big bill.

Another government imposed mandate? President Obama, how is retirement treating you?

 

[Rambunctious]

Healthcare is broken, healthcare needs to be fixed, maybe if people stop trying to make healthcare free it will fix it'self. At some point we have to look at the government and say you have screwed it up so get the hell out of it and let the free market handle the entire industry.
Of course a safety net must be in place as it always has been. We will cover and treat anyone that can't afford the treatment as we always have. But if you have the means you must cover yourself at a COMPETITIVE rate as soon as you turn 18. No free rides you will be billed for care full price if you have no coverage. If you don't pay or set up a payment plan your credit will suffer. You make it a no brainer to have insurance. Not a penalty if you don't just a big bill.

Another government imposed mandate? President Obama, how is retirement treating you?

No mandate, The federal government must be cut out of the whole thing. You either cover yourself or if you get sick or ill you will have to pay the bill. No forgiveness on that. People will get covered with lower cost competitive targeted plans. Not what Obama wants to provide but many different plans that fit your need and fit your wallet. The point is to get people use to paying for their own insurance. When a person can afford a better plan they will buy one as their family grows. Take it away from the employer as well. The employer can pay a higher wage to compensate for a employees healthcare cost. They would be happy to do so.

 

[Rambunctious]

Washington could never come up with a plan that removes them but that is what is needed...that is only what will work. The states can run the safety net but the feds must step aside completely.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Healthcare is broken, healthcare needs to be fixed, maybe if people stop trying to make healthcare free it will fix it'self. At some point we have to look at the government and say you have screwed it up so get the hell out of it and let the free market handle the entire industry.
Of course a safety net must be in place as it always has been. We will cover and treat anyone that can't afford the treatment as we always have. But if you have the means you must cover yourself at a COMPETITIVE rate as soon as you turn 18. No free rides you will be billed for care full price if you have no coverage. If you don't pay or set up a payment plan your credit will suffer. You make it a no brainer to have insurance. Not a penalty if you don't just a big bill.

Another government imposed mandate? President Obama, how is retirement treating you?

No mandate, The federal government must be cut out of the whole thing. You either cover yourself or if you get sick or ill you will have to pay the bill. No forgiveness on that. People will get covered with lower cost competitive targeted plans. Not what Obama wants to provide but many different plans that fit your need and fit your wallet. The point is to get people use to paying for their own insurance. When a person can afford a better plan they will buy one as their family grows. Take it away from the employer as well. The employer can pay a higher wage to compensate for a employees healthcare cost. They would be happy to do so.

That is not what you said the first time.

 

[Kondor3]

Screw this.

Want to simplify it?

We go Single Payer on a nationwide scale... socialized medicine, American style.

Every procedure (or service) is coded.

Every procedure (or service) has a range of allowable prices that providers can charge.

Every procedure (or service) is adjusted by region to account for differences in cost of living, et al.

Every procedure (or service) has established invocation and authorization protocols.

Every procedure (or service) can be ordered outside the realm of such protocols but providers must defend their decisions, to ensure accountability.

Pay off the Big Healthcare Insurance Company shareholders, then walk into each, and turn off the lights.

Bring Big Pharma to heel and nationalize any Big Pharma asset which fails to play ball with the overhaul.

Every American, from the loftiest officials, to the lowliest plebian, is obliged to subscribe to the American National Healthcare System.

Throw in another couple of hundred details and we've got a ballgame.

Why not let all of those who support that system move to a country that has that program?

Because our own accommodations suck and we can do better.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Screw this.

Want to simplify it?

We go Single Payer on a nationwide scale... socialized medicine, American style.

Every procedure (or service) is coded.

Every procedure (or service) has a range of allowable prices that providers can charge.

Every procedure (or service) is adjusted by region to account for differences in cost of living, et al.

Every procedure (or service) has established invocation and authorization protocols.

Every procedure (or service) can be ordered outside the realm of such protocols but providers must defend their decisions, to ensure accountability.

Pay off the Big Healthcare Insurance Company shareholders, then walk into each, and turn off the lights.

Bring Big Pharma to heel and nationalize any Big Pharma asset which fails to play ball with the overhaul.

Every American, from the loftiest officials, to the lowliest plebian, is obliged to subscribe to the American National Healthcare System.

Throw in another couple of hundred details and we've got a ballgame.

Why not let all of those who support that system move to a country that has that program?

Because our own accommodations suck and we can do better.

No. You want to destroy what we have in favor of some utopia that does not exist.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If they reduce prices by 80% there will not be a profit motive, dumb ass!
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all industries have to compete for customers ( dental, autos for example) and the best survive with supply equal to demand at prices about 80% lower than they would be without capitalist competition. Do you understand?

you are perfect proof that the average liberal lacks the IQ to understand the fundamentals of capitalism. How can America survive under the circumstances??.

I am not a liberal, but apparently you are with your big government solution to a problem best fixed by the free market.

You are so confused.

Why not read op?? Once prices are reduced 80% Feds could turn it over to individuals since they then could afford it for the most part.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Healthcare is broken, healthcare needs to be fixed, maybe if people stop trying to make healthcare free it will fix it'self. At some point we have to look at the government and say you have screwed it up so get the hell out of it and let the free market handle the entire industry.
Of course a safety net must be in place as it always has been. We will cover and treat anyone that can't afford the treatment as we always have. But if you have the means you must cover yourself at a COMPETITIVE rate as soon as you turn 18. No free rides you will be billed for care full price if you have no coverage. If you don't pay or set up a payment plan your credit will suffer. You make it a no brainer to have insurance. Not a penalty if you don't just a big bill.

Right now capitalism is illegal in healthcare so govt needs step in to make it legal again. Op describes most efficient way to implement capitalism and drive prices down 80#

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Screw this.

Want to simplify it?

We go Single Payer on a nationwide scale... socialized medicine, American style.

Every procedure (or service) is coded.

Every procedure (or service) has a range of allowable prices that providers can charge.

Every procedure (or service) is adjusted by region to account for differences in cost of living, et al.

Every procedure (or service) has established invocation and authorization protocols.

Every procedure (or service) can be ordered outside the realm of such protocols but providers must defend their decisions, to ensure accountability.

Pay off the Big Healthcare Insurance Company shareholders, then walk into each, and turn off the lights.

Bring Big Pharma to heel and nationalize any Big Pharma asset which fails to play ball with the overhaul.

Every American, from the loftiest officials, to the lowliest plebian, is obliged to subscribe to the American National Healthcare System.

Throw in another couple of hundred details and we've got a ballgame.

Why not let all of those who support that system move to a country that has that program?

Because our own accommodations suck and we can do better.

No. You want to destroy what we have in favor of some utopia that does not exist.

What we have is a $30-40000 bill for every family in America . Enough to solve all our economic problems.

 

[Mac1958]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
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Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
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[ScienceRocks]

Single payer

1/3rd to 1/2 the cost of the current system.

Capitalism would end up making a lot of people not having insurance and would cost more as there'd be a huge monopoly without anti-trust laws...

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
.

Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
.

Don't be silly. It would take a huge majority in govt press and population to get it done. Most people including all Democrats lack the IQ to understand capitalism so it's an uphill battle to say the least.

 

[Mac1958]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
.

Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
.

Don't be silly. It would take a huge majority in govt press and population to get it done. Most people including all Democrats lack the IQ to understand capitalism so it's an uphill battle to say the least.

So having the White House, House & Senate isn't enough?

Where does that leave free market health care, then?
.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Single payer

1/3rd to 1/2 the cost of the current system.

Capitalism would end up making a lot of people not having insurance and would cost more as there'd be a huge monopoly without anti-trust laws...

Plan in OP does not include any insurance at all. Anytime the $8000 voucher did not cover all of someone's medical expenses the government through Medicare would pay them did you read OP so you know what subject of thread to is

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
.

Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
.

Don't be silly. It would take a huge majority in govt press and population to get it done. Most people including all Democrats lack the IQ to understand capitalism so it's an uphill battle to say the least.

So having the White House, House & Senate isn't enough?

Where does that leave free market health care, then?
.

Do you understand the difference between having them and having a huge majority in them? Obama wanted single payer but because he didn't have a big enough majority he had to settle for ACA. Now Do you understand

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
.

Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
.

Don't be silly. It would take a huge majority in govt press and population to get it done. Most people including all Democrats lack the IQ to understand capitalism so it's an uphill battle to say the least.

So having the White House, House & Senate isn't enough?

Where does that leave free market health care, then?
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Where does that leave the free market in healthcare? It will always be in a difficult spot because liberals simply lack the IQ to understand the benefits of healthcare capitalism

 

[Mac1958]

expands current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. Because otherwise, we're gonna end up with REAL Single Payer, and it will be their own fault for being so damn stubborn.
.

Medicare is very similar to single payer 1+1=2. Socialism does not work, obviously. Do you want it in all industries?? Capitalism would cut prices 80%, enough to pay off national debt.

Capitalism would cut prices 80%. Got it. I'm sure you have empirical evidence of that.

And obviously you don't know how Medicare Supplements or Medicare Advantage plans work.

Okay, so go ahead. You've got the White House, Senate & House. Git 'er done.
.

Don't be silly. It would take a huge majority in govt press and population to get it done. Most people including all Democrats lack the IQ to understand capitalism so it's an uphill battle to say the least.

So having the White House, House & Senate isn't enough?

Where does that leave free market health care, then?
.

Do you understand the difference between having them and having a huge majority in them? Obama wanted single payer but because he didn't have a big enough majority he had to settle for ACA. Now Do you understand

They could have pushed through Single Payer with the same amount of votes as they did the ACA. Do you understand?

Keep dreaming, though, I'm sure that's productive, somehow.
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