A question to the left, please explain this to me:

[Wacky Quacky]

A subsidy is just that. But they will have to pay something month.. so again where are theyy going to get the money from?

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

You don't even understand this do you?

Naw.

It's you that doesn't "understand".

Elaborate please?

Again folks with out health insurance have a:

A rent to pay

A power bill to pay

A car insurance to pay

A food bill to pay.

So tell me where are they going to get the extra money to pay for obama care?

Where? Some genie in a bottle?

 

[peach174]

What costs more, paying someone's entire medical bill or paying for their insurance that will pay their medical bill?

Paying for their insurance,
Before it was a small percentage, whom we all paid for that entire medical bill.
Now it's paying for a larger percentage for everyone, which costs more for all of us.
The majority that are signing up for their New Health Care is Medicaid.
This is why the monthly payments are going up.
You can't add more people in Medicaid and add more things that will be covered and expect the price to go down.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A subsidy is just that. But they will have to pay something month.. so again where are theyy going to get the money from?

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

You don't even understand this do you?

Naw.

It's you that doesn't "understand".

Elaborate please?

Again folks with out health insurance have a:

A rent to pay

A power bill to pay

A car insurance to pay

A food bill to pay.

So tell me where are they going to get the extra money to pay for obama care?

Where? Some genie in a bottle?

Why don't YOU answer the question of what they have been doing up until now?

Here, let me answer FOR you. They go to the ER. And everybody else ends up paying for it.

What do they do now? They will qualify for Medicaid through the ACA.

If they live in Texas, they are fucked, courtesy of Governor Rick Perry, whose sister is a lobbyist for doctor-owned hospitals, he refused additional Medicaid.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

A subsidy is just that. But they will have to pay something month.. so again where are theyy going to get the money from?

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

Well, we're fucked. The ACA rides on the back of the middle class and the young and healthy. The ACA NEEDS us to pay more, so the poor and the chronically ill can pay less.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

who is the poor

 

[jon_berzerk]

What costs more, paying someone's entire medical bill or paying for their insurance that will pay their medical bill?

over time the insurance bill

 

[NYcarbineer]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Who on minimum wage is going to have to pay $300/month for health insurance under Obamacare?

 

[Sallow]

Why do you care? Really? We got the best solution the free market had to offer and it sucks. Single payer would have been simpler and less costly to everyone but we could not cut the insurance companies and employers out of the loop now could we? No, you do not care if low wage earners can afford anything, otherwise you would not be a conservative who are pretty much defined by their hostile attitude towards the working poor..

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

 

[jon_berzerk]

A subsidy is just that. But they will have to pay something month.. so again where are theyy going to get the money from?

it is a curious question how they will pay for it

when just a couple of weeks ago

the left was complaining that a 36 dollar cut to food stamps

would make all the difference if they had a good or bad Christmas

 

[Wacky Quacky]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

who is the poor

Anyone below an arbitrary line set by the administration.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

who is the poor

Anyone below an arbitrary line set by the administration.

exactly and they already are on medicaid

then there is reality the group just

above 133 percent of the poverty line

 

[peach174]

Why do you care? Really? We got the best solution the free market had to offer and it sucks. Single payer would have been simpler and less costly to everyone but we could not cut the insurance companies and employers out of the loop now could we? No, you do not care if low wage earners can afford anything, otherwise you would not be a conservative who are pretty much defined by their hostile attitude towards the working poor..

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

So we aren't buying from private insurance companies? If this is "socialism", where's my public option?

What part of controlled by the Government through regulations are you not getting?
Government regulations cost all of consumers.
The new Health Care bill has thousands of pages of regulations.
We have traded the numbers from millions that did not have Health Insurance to even more millions that will not be able to afford the New Government controlled ACA.
Not only that, but now our Seniors and poor will have a shortage of Doctors that is not accepting Medicare and Medicaid.
It has also cut back on the number of Hospitals that everyone would have been able to go to.

 

[jon_berzerk]

who is the poor

Anyone below an arbitrary line set by the administration.

exactly and they already are on medicaid

then there is reality the group just

above 133 percent of the poverty line

really how are they going to do it

those who make enough to not qualify for medicaid

who do qualify for assistance

who have been using all their money in the past to get by

now they will have some sort of monthly payment

plus co pays on medical visits and all

they will have insurance but not be able to see the doctor

what a jam we are putting folks in

 

[peach174]

Why do you care? Really? We got the best solution the free market had to offer and it sucks. Single payer would have been simpler and less costly to everyone but we could not cut the insurance companies and employers out of the loop now could we? No, you do not care if low wage earners can afford anything, otherwise you would not be a conservative who are pretty much defined by their hostile attitude towards the working poor..

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Naw.

It's you that doesn't "understand".

Elaborate please?

Again folks with out health insurance have a:

A rent to pay

A power bill to pay

A car insurance to pay

A food bill to pay.

So tell me where are they going to get the extra money to pay for obama care?

Where? Some genie in a bottle?

Why don't YOU answer the question of what they have been doing up until now?

Here, let me answer FOR you. They go to the ER. And everybody else ends up paying for it.

What do they do now? They will qualify for Medicaid through the ACA.

If they live in Texas, they are fucked, courtesy of Governor Rick Perry, whose sister is a lobbyist for doctor-owned hospitals, he refused additional Medicaid.

FYI most of the folks that go to the ER are illegals having babys...big problem down in Floridia and they are not covered by Obama care

 

[NYcarbineer]

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

And what countries are those?

 

[NYcarbineer]

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

In a free market, those who can afford to pay the market price can have the product or service. Those who can't go without.

Is that how you want healthcare to work?

 

[Seawytch]

What costs more, paying someone's entire medical bill or paying for their insurance that will pay their medical bill?

over time the insurance bill

Actually, over time all our costs will go down because we are no longer paying for health care in the most expensive way possible.

We, the insured, pay $25 for a single aspirin to pay for those without insurance. If they now have insurance, all the costs should go down.

Of course, because profit has been inserted where there should be none, that probably won't actually happen until we join the rest of the grown up nations and go to a single payer system.