A Question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[dilloduck]

OK i will answer yet again the terrorist where real... trained right her...known to citizens ,fbi and cia...just all warnings where ignored ,,they where all-cia-duh assets ...as is bin laden

What happened to the plane in DC? If they were not Arabs why did none of the people calling on cell phones tell us they were all white guys in business suits?
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there are not hundreds of thousand's of conspirators,,that is your ignorant assumption

how come they forgot to blow the Penatagon and the White House ?

 

[glockmail]

blah ..blah..blah you make statements but back the with........NOTHING

Looks like your usual response.

 

[eots]

how come they forgot to blow the Penatagon and the White House

MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION ..why where the terrorist not stopped after multiple warnings ..to the point men like john oneil ..resigned there positions

why where hijacked planes able to fly across the country fo almost 2 hrs with no air defence..why did NORAD stand down ?...why did the pentagons missile defence system not engage.?.why out of 84 surveillance tapes can we not get one clear photo of the plane hitting the pentagon?

why to military eyewittnessess make these statements

lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06:

Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...

I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ...

More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations."


Bio: http://militaryweek.com/


Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Jeff Rense Program


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[dilloduck]

but the bombings --they messed up the bombings.

 

[eots]

but mindless..your little quips are mindless..

 

[Jarvis]

WOW! all I can say was I never in a million years thought that there were this many people out of there mind. Was I the only person that watched the planes fly into the buildings? Was I the only person that found out about the "Let's Roll" on the last call home made on PA flight right before they took over the highjackers and crashed the plane into the field?

 

[DiveCon]

OK i will answer yet again the terrorist where real... trained right her...known to citizens ,fbi and cia...just all warnings where ignored ,,they where all-cia-duh assets ...as is bin laden

What happened to the plane in DC? If they were not Arabs why did none of the people calling on cell phones tell us they were all white guys in business suits?
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there are not hundreds of thousand's of conspirators,,that is your ignorant assumption

well, since he didnt say "hundreds of thousands" i guess that makes you the ignorant one

 

[dilloduck]

but mindless..your little quips are mindless..

think of them as teeny tiny clues to help you find your way back to today.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

well, since he didnt say "hundreds of thousands" i guess that makes you the ignorant one

Reading never was his strong suit. Ask him why he doesn't now provide us with the OTHER Pentagon claim? The one where the "witness" argued that the debris which WAS all over the place was from the wrong aircraft.

 

[eots]

well then a few hundred perhaps ..you don't believe that could be maintained? and again I would point out I will place more faith in what high level Intel agents and counter terrorism experts believe is logistically possible than you...and yes there is some conflict in eyewitness testimony this is why you investigate and interview and release the surveillance tapes

 

[DiveCon]

well then a few hundred perhaps ..you don't believe that could be maintained? and again I would point out I will place more faith in what high level Intel agents and counter terrorism experts believe is logistically possible than you...and yes there is some conflict in eyewitness testimony this is why you investigate and interview and release the surveillance tapes

no one has convinced me that you are right
and i highly doubt you are capable to convince anyone that actually thinks
science is not on your side

and quite frankly, i believe your quotes of these people are taken out of context or, then never actually said anything of the sort
i have seen too many 'TROOTHERS' totally lie about what someone has said

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A cover up would require that every investigator in new York, Pennsylvania and Washington DC were in on it. This includes local, County, State and Federal personnel. It would require that every FBI agent, every intel agencies and every law enforcement personnel were in on it.

It would require that the Governor and mayor of new York were in on it. The Mayor of Washington DC would have to be in on it. This includes numerous members of their staffs.

The Air Force, Air National Guard and Army would have to be in on it as well as Navy and Marine Corps Air Units. This would be high ranking officers all the way down to privates.

Someone had to plant the explosives and prepare the buildings. Security at those buildings as well as supervisory staff would have to be in on it. It would require that general public that worked and passed through those buildings would all have to be blind stupid or in on it.

The simple fact that some people claim to have seen debris and others claim not to at the Pentagon destroys your claim that no air craft hit. The missing air craft, passengers and crew further undermine your claim.

No one can tell us what kind of missile could have done the damage caused at the Pentagon. If it were loaded with explosives it would have an entirely different signature then the holes present at the building. If it were not loaded with explosives it would have to have been a hardened reinforced missile with armor and a VERY large missile indeed.

Experts HAVE explained what happened at the towers, NUMEROUS, credible experts with no axe to grind. As well as investigators involved in researching what happened.

Then we have the crack pot claims no terrorists were involved. That the supposed men the Government says did it never existed. Which brings us back to how did the conspirators find suicidal members to hijack the aircraft and plow them into at least 2 buildings. And how come the Pennsylvania passengers and the Washington DC passengers that called on cell phones did not tell us they were a bunch of white men.

This requires that Foreign Governments be involved in the cover up like Germany and requires new agencies of the US Government besides the ones already listed to be involved.

What happened to your claim, Eots, that our elected representatives all knew or most knew and were to afraid to do or say anything because of the vast secret society that really rules the world?

The sheer number of people that would have to be involved in a cover up, not to mention those involved in the actual attack make it so unlikely that no one has talked after 8 years as to boggle the mind.

NONE of your "experts" were involved in any way in the investigation. They have had no access to the information the investigators had. No on ground first hand exposure to the evidence or lack there of, of what happened.

We know when Bush farts in his sleep but all these people have been kept silent all these years?

 

[MichaelCollins]

All the conspiracy theorists are nuts....

Just ignore them.

We all know that BUSHTEAM allowed 911... we can suspect that they were involved in the operation...but we can be damn sure that they knew it was going to happen..

the timing would suggest that they were deeply involved..

 

[jillian]

All the conspiracy theorists are nuts....

Just ignore them.

We all know that BUSHTEAM allowed 911... we can suspect that they were involved in the operation...but we can be damn sure that they knew it was going to happen..

the timing would suggest that they were deeply involved..

We "all know"???

I'd suggest that your standard for "knowing" something is fairly low.

 

[glockmail]

All the conspiracy theorists are nuts....

Just ignore them.

We all know that BUSHTEAM allowed 911... we can suspect that they were involved in the operation...but we can be damn sure that they knew it was going to happen..

the timing would suggest that they were deeply involved..

Of course, that would require a very large number of people involved in a conspiracy. Due to delays by Al Gore and foot dragging by Democrats in the Senate, many of Bush's Director-level staff were old Clinton appointees; his political enemies. They would have to be part of the conspiracy as well.

 

[MichaelCollins]

Of course, that would require a very large number of people involved in a conspiracy. Due to delays by Al Gore and foot dragging by Democrats in the Senate, many of Bush's Director-level staff were old Clinton appointees; his political enemies. They would have to be part of the conspiracy as well.

How can you be so ignorant about your own nation?

Bushteam is largely Cheney and the gang....and of course Bush senior.

Those who were involved in 911 are purely defence/CIA operatives....Pentagon involved without doubt.

Now when i say involved... i mean that they inspired islamic terrorism..they nurtured it...and they controlled it....

They wanted a 911...and they allowed it to happen.


so u see u are quite wrong..... a very small number of americans needed to be involved.

 

[glockmail]

How can you be so ignorant about your own nation?

Bushteam is largely Cheney and the gang....and of course Bush senior.

Those who were involved in 911 are purely defence/CIA operatives....Pentagon involved without doubt.

Now when i say involved... i mean that they inspired islamic terrorism..they nurtured it...and they controlled it....

They wanted a 911...and they allowed it to happen.


so u see u are quite wrong..... a very small number of americans needed to be involved.

Wow not only are you the biggest asshole on the board you're a dumbass and a kook.

 

[DiveCon]

Wow not only are you the biggest asshole on the board you're a dumbass and a kook.

come on, this guy claimed there was no religion in europe, that alone should tell everyone that he is completely out of touch with reality

 

[glockmail]

come on, this guy claimed there was no religion in europe, that alone should tell everyone that he is completely out of touch with reality

No shit? Well that confirms it then.

 

[MichaelCollins]

come on, this guy claimed there was no religion in europe, that alone should tell everyone that he is completely out of touch with reality

So you think that there is religion in Europe?

Is that from your vast experience of living here?

Religion died many years ago in Europe... there are as i have said before...ceremonial remnants...but it plays no role in the everyday lives of the vast majority of Europeans..from Italy to Germany to France to Spain to the UK.

Most Europeans are pretty educated these days... Religion can only prosper in third world backwaters... it revels in ignorance.