A possible suggestion for a Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, New York Prsditential vote pact.

[CowboyTed]

However, the Court required explicit congressional consent for interstate compacts that are "directed to the formation of any combination tending to the increase of political power in the States, which may encroach upon or interfere with the just supremacy of the United States"

A compact which will render irrelevant the electoral votes irrelevant in any Presidential election will "increase the political power" of the member states relative to the non-member states.
Even the 9th circuit will strike this.

I agree with you, Congress would have to approve of it... I think if the participating states wanted this, I don't see congress getting in their way, where is the upside in refusing the voter to be better represented?

In court it would not be increasing power of what they already got. They have 58 electoral votes, they are just moving from a winner takes all, which is not in the constitution to a proportional share of their votes...

Again this isn't Liberal v Conservative issue, this is about giving a better representation to individual states. Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina & New York not have to be fought for instead of being sure things for either party. Each electoral vote has to be won...

 

[CowboyTed]

Electoral votes depend on popular votes. Engaging in some sort of conspiracy to rig the electoral outcome might get you federal prison time.

This is not a conspiracy theory, it is about moving from Winner takes all to a proportional representation of what people voted for.

What is your objection to a proportion allocation of electoral votes, this is why I picked the states that balance each other right now.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nope that is not how it works and we haven't even mentioned CA...
We are talking about the four states in the OP...
And what the proposal is, that if 70% of the vote goes to a party they receive 70% of the electoral votes (with allowances for rounding)...

All of the states can do that now, no compact required.

 

[ThisIsMe]

immoral??? How is a popular vote immoral... It makes all votes equal...

illegal - Well that is up for debate. Constitutionality of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

How would we be ignoring the will of the voters? The voters initially agree they want there votes to goto the person who gets the most votes...

Anyway it just needs consent of Congress... You think Congress is going to vote against the wishes of there own people?

The national popular vote compact is immoral because it ignores the votes of the people in those states if one candidate wins the popular vote overall.

I mean, if compact are the game you want to play, then all the states controlled by Republican legislatures can make a compact just awarding their votes to the Republican candidate…which will give the republicans the White House every time.


If these 18 states can ignore the will of their voters, then why not the 26 states who legislatures are controlled by repubs?

 

[CowboyTed]

The national popular vote compact is immoral because it ignores the votes of the people in those states if one candidate wins the popular vote overall.

I mean, if compact are the game you want to play, then all the states controlled by Republican legislatures can make a compact just awarding their votes to the Republican candidate…which will give the republicans the White House every time.


If these 18 states can ignore the will of their voters, then why not the 26 states who legislatures are controlled by repubs?

You are trying to say winner takes all is somehow morally superior to allocating votes by the proportion of the people who want either candidate..

You can't see past winner take all (First Past the Post) even thought it is outdated and not even the one US recommends to other countries.

The reason for the Compact is to have a fair compromise...

BTW, I find it sad that you are so hateful and distrusting of other Americans that you would rather your own vote to not count in the off chance that your political opposition could possibly get an advantage. That is very sad.

 

[Curried Goats]

The national popular vote compact is immoral because it ignores the votes of the people in those states if one candidate wins the popular vote overall.

What? Did you fail civics? That's what the current electoral college system does. If we used the popular vote Donald Trump would of received 6 million votes from California rather than the zero out of 55 electoral college votes he got.

 

[ThisIsMe]

What? Did you fail civics? That's what the current electoral college system does. If we used the popular vote Donald Trump would have received 6 million votes from California rather than the zero out of 55 electoral college votes he got.

No, I didn’t fail civics, we don’t use a popular vote. What about what I said is unclear? If the people in those 18 states vote one way, but the states decide to give their votes to the overall popular vote winner and that person is the person they didn’t vote for, then the compact disenfranchised those people.

 

[Polishprince]

What libs fail to realize is history. When the constitution was written, the electoral college system was set up so that less populous states would have some say, not just those with big populations.

This was needed to get the smaller states on board with the whole new order.

 

[Curried Goats]

No, I didn’t fail civics, we don’t use a popular vote. What about what I said is unclear?

The part where you confused what each one does, Dumb Dumb. The electoral college system is the winner take all system where it doesn't matter that Trump got almost 3 and half million votes in New York or that Biden got almost 5 and half million votes in Texas because neither of them won a single electoral college vote in either of them.

If the people in those 18 states vote one way, but the states decide to give their votes to the overall popular vote winner and that person is the person they didn’t vote for, then the compact disenfranchised those people.

What? You don't seem to understand what the **** the popular vote even is. Here are the election results for Texas in 2020. If we went by the popular vote then Trump would of received 5,890,347 votes from Texas voters and Biden would of received 5,259,126 votes.

 

[Curried Goats]

What libs fail to realize is history. When the constitution was written, the electoral college system was set up so that less populous states would have some say, not just those with big populations.

This was needed to get the smaller states on board with the whole new order.

We understand that it was designed to protect slave states. Less populous states is just a frail euphemism. The electoral college wasn't calculated based on disparity of population but rather on the population of citizens and slaves.

 

[Anathema]

What I would prefer to see is a change fir all 50 states wherein, since the number of electors is equal to the number of Congressional Districts plus 2 to represent the Senstirs from each state that we start electing electors by Congressional Didtrict and only award the 2 Senatorial electors by majority of the state in total.

For example… NY has 27 Congressional districts and 2 Senators. Award 1 elector to whichever candidate wins each district (let’s say 22 Dem and 5 Republican) then award the last 2 by the overall majority winner in the state (+2 Dem) for a total of 24 Democrat electors and 5 Republican electors.

With this, to keep it fair, we take the creation of districts away from the legislators and give it to a computer program to calculate the smallest geographical areas for each district, containing the proper numbers of voters.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The part where you confused what each one does, Dumb Dumb. The electoral college system is the winner take all system where it doesn't matter that Trump got almost 3 and half million votes in New York or that Biden got almost 5 and half million votes in Texas because neither of them won a single electoral college vote in either of them.

What? You don't seem to understand what the **** the popular vote even is. Here are the election results for Texas in 2020. If we went by the popular vote then Trump would of received 5,890,347 votes from Texas voters and Biden would of received 5,259,126 votes.

The electoral college system is the winner take all system where it doesn't matter that Trump got almost 3 and half million votes in New York or that Biden got almost 5 and half million votes in Texas because neither of them won a single electoral college vote in either of them.

Do you know what the “National Popular Vote Compact” is? That’s what we were talking about.

It’s a compact between 18 states that say that ALL of those states will award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, if that action would cause an election win. Do you know what that means, if they were to actually try that? It means if every single person in those 18 states vote red, but blue somehow won the national popular vote, that all those 18 states would award their electoral votes to blue. Do you not see that as being a problem??

You don't seem to understand what the **** the popular vote even is.

I know what a popular vote is, and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans in our electoral system. Read the previous paragraph again for an explanation of what we’re talking about.

 

[CowboyTed]

What I would prefer to see is a change fir all 50 states wherein, since the number of electors is equal to the number of Congressional Districts plus 2 to represent the Senstirs from each state that we start electing electors by Congressional Didtrict and only award the 2 Senatorial electors by majority of the state in total.

For example… NY has 27 Congressional districts and 2 Senators. Award 1 elector to whichever candidate wins each district (let’s say 22 Dem and 5 Republican) then award the last 2 by the overall majority winner in the state (+2 Dem) for a total of 24 Democrat electors and 5 Republican electors.

With this, to keep it fair, we take the creation of districts away from the legislators and give it to a computer program to calculate the smallest geographical areas for each district, containing the proper numbers of voters.

I see where you are coming from and it does seem better than the present system...

Personally I think Congress voting should be multi-seat districts with preference voting... This is the main voting system worldwide. It would fundamentally change the way US vote, instead of voting against the one you most dislike, you just vote by preference... There is very little to no vote wasting... It breaks the two party system to give a more diverse representation. (This is its biggest problem, turkey's don't vote for thanksgiving.)

 

[CowboyTed]

Do you know what the “National Popular Vote Compact” is? That’s what we were talking about.

It’s a compact between 18 states that say that ALL of those states will award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, if that action would cause an election win. Do you know what that means, if they were to actually try that? It means if every single person in those 18 states vote red, but blue somehow won the national popular vote, that all those 18 states would award their electoral votes to blue. Do you not see that as being a problem??



I know what a popular vote is, and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans in our electoral system. Read the previous paragraph again for an explanation of what we’re talking about.

Yep...

It means that the person who wins the most votes wins... A novel concept...

The US President is for everyone, why do certain people get a larger voice on who gets elected over some others?

In practise, Only a few swing states actually pick the President, this is highly undemocratic...

 

[M14 Shooter]

Personally I think Congress voting should be multi-seat districts with preference voting... This is the main voting system worldwide

You just need 2/3 of congress and 38 states to agree with you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US President is for everyone,...

The POTUS is the head of government and the head of state.
He does not represent anyone, other than the United States, when dealing with foreign entities.

No western democracy popularly elects its head of government.

 

[leftwinger]

2024 is going to be stolen – plain and simple – via NGO-created ballot mills, in partnership with the United States Postal Service – if Republicans do not act. And, we can show these addresses today in every swing state.

We will demonstrate in state after state, Red state or Blue state – enough ballots from ineligible addresses – like Walmarts and auto dealerships – to impact the outcome of any election.

If you think Trump can “outrun” this level of organized, industrial scale voter fraud in 2024, our videos ought to educate you.


****It matters not what you do. When 10% of the vote is built-in fraudulent. cut-paste above from,

"Bi-Partisan" NGO Group with Ties to Soros and Southern Poverty Law Center Threatens GOP Senators from Highlighting the Epidemic of Dirty Voter Rolls and Bogus Registrations Numbering in the Hundreds of Thousands | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Guest post by Jay Valentine at Omega4America.com On Sunday morning, the Fractal team received a call from a U.S.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[leftwinger]

It matters not what you do. When 10% of the vote is built-in fraudulent. cut-paste above from,


What did Kevin McCarthy know? And when did he know it? Rumblings in Washington, DC, put Kevin McCarthy on the hot seat.

In June 2024, former Trump official Kash Patel dropped a bombshell on Steve Bannon’s War Room, exposing the rotten core of the Republican establishment.

Patel’s blockbuster report on Paul Ryan, which first surfaced on The Gateway Pundit, revealed that Ryan—then Speaker of the House—was the first to receive the fraudulent Steele Dossier in 2016.




This dossier, now widely acknowledged as a fabrication used to justify unlawful surveillance against Donald Trump, was apparently hidden by Ryan from his colleagues, investigators, and even officials within the Trump administration.

Report: Like Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy Likely Knew About the Steele Dossier Much Earlier than Previously Known — And Said Nothing | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

What did Kevin McCarthy know?

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[hadit]

It is a good start. Moving away from the "winner take all" approach that 48 of the 50 states use would increase voter turn out all across the nation.

As it is now, the votes in 2/3 of the states are basically meaningless and do not really do a good job of representing the state.

Take my state of Ill for example. It always goes Blue, normally by at least 2 million votes or more.

Yet, if you look at the state, most of it is "red".

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If Illinois awarded EC votes based on congressional districts instead of winner take all, Trump would have gotten 6 EC votes from the state out of the 20. And it gives those in those area more of a reason to come out and vote.

I support doing away with the winner takes all current status, and measures that would make all states more competitive. Right now, it doesn't matter if Harris gets 51% or 98% of California's votes, it doesn't change the number of EC votes she gets.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I support doing away with the winner takes all current status, and measures that would make all states more competitive. Right now, it doesn't matter if Harris gets 51% or 98% of California's votes, it doesn't change the number of EC votes she gets.

A good start would be to do like Maine and Nebraska, appoint EC votes based on Congressional districts.