A Perfect Example Of Modern Environmentalism

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Wow! Conservatives do not have a clue! Plastic bags are terrible for the environment. They clog our storm sewers, they litter our streets, they are made of oil and they will sit in a landfill for better than 8,000 years before degrading. That's about how long we have had written language.

The fees are not a means of screwing anyone. Everyone has the resources to buy a reusable grocery bag.

Only a warped, frustrated, willfully ignorant American Conservative could clumsily try to push this issue through a template of insanity and then cry that their "freedoms" are being eroded because they will now find it expensive to pollute.

10 cents per bag is not making it expensive to pollute. It has absolutely no effect on the usage of bags.

So why are you mad about it then?

Who said I was mad? I am just pointing out how utterly stupid and useless the law is.

Its not stupid because it does not change usage habits - it is stupid because it ignores the concept of freedom in favor of government micro management of our lives.

The government does not need to get involved in my choice of bagging material. It is asinine.

It's stupid for both reasons. Not sure why you are making a disagreement out of nothing.

Because you are flat out incorrect that it does not change habits.

Do you live anywhere near a place that has instituted such a policy? I do and can see first hand the FACT that even a 10 cent charge changes usage over something that is free.

You state later that I have no clue how free markets work and yet you are the one claiming that an item that costs has no difference in usage to one that is free. That is a completely asinine look at free markets. It is a FACT that people will change their habits based on the fact that an item is free or not, no matter how small the charge. IF we were talking a small increase in an already charged for item that would be an entirely different story (say a 5cent charge to a 10 cent one) BUT we are talking about an item that was free. It is not unusual for items that are entirely free to be WAY overused even when completely unnecessary simply because they are free.

The idea that the charge does not effect habits is the view that simply has no connection with reality in a free market. You do understand why your burger costs 1.99 and not 2.00 right? It has nothing to do with the higher cost and EVERYTHING to do with the PERCEPTION of that higher cost. That is the same principal when you move from free to any charge whatsoever even one as small as a dime. Again, if it were changing from a dime to 2 dimes, no big deal - people wouldn't care. But when you go from FREE to not free, there is a massive difference.

 

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10 cents per bag is not making it expensive to pollute. It has absolutely no effect on the usage of bags.

So why are you mad about it then?

Who said I was mad? I am just pointing out how utterly stupid and useless the law is.

Its not stupid because it does not change usage habits - it is stupid because it ignores the concept of freedom in favor of government micro management of our lives.

The government does not need to get involved in my choice of bagging material. It is asinine.

It's stupid for both reasons. Not sure why you are making a disagreement out of nothing.

Because you are flat out incorrect that it does not change habits.

Do you live anywhere near a place that has instituted such a policy? I do and can see first hand the FACT that even a 10 cent charge changes usage over something that is free.

No, I'm not. I do live near such a place, and usage hasn't changed one bit.

You state later that I have no clue how free markets work and yet you are the one claiming that an item that costs has no difference in usage to one that is free. That is a completely asinine look at free markets. It is a FACT that people will change their habits based on the fact that an item is free or not, no matter how small the charge. IF we were talking a small increase in an already charged for item that would be an entirely different story (say a 5cent charge to a 10 cent one) BUT we are talking about an item that was free. It is not unusual for items that are entirely free to be WAY overused even when completely unnecessary simply because they are free.

The idea that the charge does not effect habits is the view that simply has no connection with reality in a free market. You do understand why your burger costs 1.99 and not 2.00 right? It has nothing to do with the higher cost and EVERYTHING to do with the PERCEPTION of that higher cost. That is the same principal when you move from free to any charge whatsoever even one as small as a dime. Again, if it were changing from a dime to 2 dimes, no big deal - people wouldn't care. But when you go from FREE to not free, there is a massive difference.

There is virtually no difference between FREE to 10 cents. The only person with the perception that 10 cents is such a higher cost is you. The perception by the vast majority of people is that 10 cents is nothing, and the effect on paper bag usage is negligible.

 

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And use them for trash, when you don't have money for trash bags, or garbage service!

How about raising wages 10 cents since you care so much about their plight? The planet doesnt seem to be a concern for you but rugs....nooooow ya talking. Who doesnt need a rug? Who needs a planet anyway?

You think the planet is under attack from plastic bags?

Wow. I have always just viewed them as inanimate objects...What do you think they want? Maybe if we just give them what they want..isn't that the mantra of the progressive? Surrender and all will be well!

Yes stupid I believe the planet is under attack by plastic bags. You have to get really silly to argue your point really often

 

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There is virtually no difference between FREE to 10 cents. The only person with the perception that 10 cents is such a higher cost is you. The perception by the vast majority of people is that 10 cents is nothing, and the effect on paper bag usage is negligible.

When you take out "virtually" there is a difference between free and not free