A paradigm shift is under way

[IsaacNewton]

Conservatives here have an answer to anything new in energy.

"Why can't we just burn stuff like the cavemen did?"

Because there are 7 billion cavemen that want to burn stuff now.

 

[polarbear]

Conservatives here have an answer to anything new in energy.

"Why can't we just burn stuff like the cavemen did?"

Because there are 7 billion cavemen that want to burn stuff now.

"Why can't we just burn stuff like the cavemen did?"
Who besides you is asking to burn stuff like the cavemen did?
Typical liberal bozology. Cavemen burned "stuff" therefore everybody who burns something is a caveman.
The only people who burn stuff like cavemen did are the idiots who vote liberal

 

[RollingThunder]

Conservatives here have an answer to anything new in energy.

"Why can't we just burn stuff like the cavemen did?"

Because there are 7 billion cavemen that want to burn stuff now.

"Why can't we just burn stuff like the cavemen did?"
Who besides you is asking to burn stuff like the cavemen did?

Trump and the Coal Barrons, obviously, you poor clueless retard.

Typical liberal bozology. Cavemen burned "stuff" therefore everybody who burns something is a caveman.
The only people who burn stuff like cavemen did are the idiots who vote liberal

Once again Poop4brains demonstrates that he is too stupid to understand what people are saying to him.

Burning wood and coal "like the cavemen did" works fine when there are only a few million humans doing it. It creates huge problems when billions of humans are doing it......something that is obvious to everyone except retards like you, poop4brains.

Continuing to burn carbon based fuels that cause enormous pollution problems and drive global warming when there are clean, non-polluting, non-carbon emitting, renewable energy sources that can power the whole planet, is just very, very stupid.....but because certain very wealthy individuals and corporations have a huge vested interest in selling fossil fuels, they are trying to block or seriously delay the very necessary transition from fossil fuels to clean renewable energy sources.

Too bad you are too retarded to grasp that, poop4brains.

 

[bripat9643]

Lithium-Ion Battery Inventor Introduces New Technology for Fast-Charging, Noncombustible Batteries

AUSTIN, Texas — A team of engineers led by 94-year-old John Goodenough, professor in the Cockrell School of Engineering at The University of Texas at Austin and co-inventor of the lithium-ion battery, has developed the first all-solid-state battery cells that could lead to safer, faster-charging, longer-lasting rechargeable batteries for handheld mobile devices, electric cars and stationary energy storage.

Goodenough’s latest breakthrough, completed with Cockrell School senior research fellow Maria Helena Braga, is a low-cost all-solid-state battery that is noncombustible and has a long cycle life (battery life) with a high volumetric energy density and fast rates of charge and discharge. The engineers describe their new technology in a recent paper published in the journal Energy & Environmental Science.

“Cost, safety, energy density, rates of charge and discharge and cycle life are critical for battery-driven cars to be more widely adopted. We believe our discovery solves many of the problems that are inherent in today’s batteries,” Goodenough said.

The researchers demonstrated that their new battery cells have at least three times as much energy density as today’s lithium-ion batteries. A battery cell’s energy density gives an electric vehicle its driving range, so a higher energy density means that a car can drive more miles between charges. The UT Austin battery formulation also allows for a greater number of charging and discharging cycles, which equates to longer-lasting batteries, as well as a faster rate of recharge (minutes rather than hours).


All of that, and low cost. If this can be mass manufactured, the ICE is dead.



Germany and Norway leading the way.

Now you add what Tesla is doing with home solar and energy storage, and we are going to see a paradigm shift in how we generate and distribute electricity in the 21st Century.

So where's the paradigm shift?

 

[bripat9643]

LOL Once again, trying to ignore an up and coming technology and a real paradigm shift in the generation of energy. You obviously never looked at the short video, nor considered the ramifications of a cheap high density battery.

I believe I quite clearly stated that it will be very nice to have that type of battery for use in other technologies. Now, do tell us how a battery, ANY battery, generates energy.

Still ignoring the obvious? No, it does not create energy, but it allows sources like wind and solar to become 24/7. And it allows utilities to have far fewer peaker generators, a savings for them and their customers. But the post was not just about that battery, it included information on how communities in Germany are becoming independent and actually profiting from creating their own electricity. And how the largest utility in Germany is partnering with those communities. And the whole package, from practical EV's to a distributed grid of almost totally renewable generation that profits individuals and communities.

Are those the utilities that charge 3 times the price for energy that American utilities charge?

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Pattycake and Polar, you obviously did not watch the video, or you would have seen where the paradigm shift was. Customers of utilities that are both consumers and generators of electricity.Whole communities that are not only producing their own electricity, but producing a large excess. And a very large utility that is not only adapting to that paradigm, but encouraging it. That Norwegian oil company that has realized that the days of fossil fuels are numbered, and using the expertise that it has developed in drilling for oil to build big windmills on the ocean at half the cost others are.

The low cost, high density battery was just one part of the picture, albeit a very important part.

 

[Old Rocks]

Lithium-Ion Battery Inventor Introduces New Technology for Fast-Charging, Noncombustible Batteries

AUSTIN, Texas — A team of engineers led by 94-year-old John Goodenough, professor in the Cockrell School of Engineering at The University of Texas at Austin and co-inventor of the lithium-ion battery, has developed the first all-solid-state battery cells that could lead to safer, faster-charging, longer-lasting rechargeable batteries for handheld mobile devices, electric cars and stationary energy storage.

Goodenough’s latest breakthrough, completed with Cockrell School senior research fellow Maria Helena Braga, is a low-cost all-solid-state battery that is noncombustible and has a long cycle life (battery life) with a high volumetric energy density and fast rates of charge and discharge. The engineers describe their new technology in a recent paper published in the journal Energy & Environmental Science.

“Cost, safety, energy density, rates of charge and discharge and cycle life are critical for battery-driven cars to be more widely adopted. We believe our discovery solves many of the problems that are inherent in today’s batteries,” Goodenough said.

The researchers demonstrated that their new battery cells have at least three times as much energy density as today’s lithium-ion batteries. A battery cell’s energy density gives an electric vehicle its driving range, so a higher energy density means that a car can drive more miles between charges. The UT Austin battery formulation also allows for a greater number of charging and discharging cycles, which equates to longer-lasting batteries, as well as a faster rate of recharge (minutes rather than hours).


All of that, and low cost. If this can be mass manufactured, the ICE is dead.



Germany and Norway leading the way.

Now you add what Tesla is doing with home solar and energy storage, and we are going to see a paradigm shift in how we generate and distribute electricity in the 21st Century.

How the hell is any of that a "paradigm shift" in energy generation (???) or distribution.
Perhaps in distribution if you ship electricity in cartons full of batteries by UPS instead of a power line grid.
Next thing this innovation, the only difference is a glass membrane separating the 2 components that give you the emf between Li and whatever the other one would be...and that could be at best Fluorine then you get a -5.91 Volt potential. That`s as good as it possibly can get unless there is some Kryptonyte or Unobtanium we could mine from some planet with highly advanced aliens.
Nowhere in that publication is anything that shows a 3 times higher energy density. 3 times higher than what? A lead acid car battery perhaps.

The Voltage on the Y axis is what you would get with a Sodium electrode referenced against Hydrogen which is used as a standard for emf comparisons...and that should be - 2.71 Volts.
With Lithium against a standard Hydrogen electrode you should get - 3.04 Volts
I don`t see any of that in that diagram. 2.68 Volts is the max V potential and that`s not 3 times higher than anything we have so far.
So the only avenue which remains open to pack 3 times the energy if it was not done by Volts are ampere hours. And he does not show you a diagram for the discharge? Why not?
Because he can`t show that it has 3 times the amp hours.
So instead he claims he can pack 3 times the amount of active substance per volume to "give you" 3 times as much energy. He says he can do that because the glass membrane bars dendrites bridging the 2 electrodes causing a short.
This "paradigm shift" is nothing but the hot air that gets published in today`s publish or perish academic environment. Not even the glass membrane mentioned is a technical innovation. Every electrode used in labs to measure specific ions use glass membranes.
The other "paradigm shift" is going a step backwards from Li batteries to the old and outdated Sodium based batteries and the publishers of this no-news paper "informs" us that sea water contains lots of Sodium and that it is cheaper than Lithium.
No wonder that the only people who are impressed by this and call it a "paradigm shift" in science and technology are those who have no clue.

John Goodenough

Education[edit]
Goodenough attended boarding school at Groton School[3] before receiving a B.S. in Mathematics, summa cum laude, from Yale University in 1944, where he was a member of Skull and Bones.[4] After serving overseas in World War II, he returned to complete a Ph.D. in Physics under the supervision of Clarence Zener at the University of Chicago in 1952.

Early career at Lincoln Laboratory[edit]
During his early career, he was a research scientist at MIT's Lincoln Laboratory. During this time he was part of an interdisciplinary team responsible for developing random access magnetic memory. His research efforts on RAM led him to develop the concepts of cooperative orbital ordering, also known as a cooperative Jahn–Teller distortion, in oxide materials, and subsequently led to his developing the rules for the sign of the magnetic superexchange in materials, now known as the Goodenough–Kanamori rules.

Tenure at the University of Oxford[edit]

Blue plaque erected by the Royal Society of Chemistry commemorating work towards the rechargeable lithium-ion battery at Oxford
During the late 1970s and early 1980s, he continued his career as head of the Inorganic Chemistry Laboratory at University of Oxford, where he identified and developed LixCoO2 as the cathode material of choice for the Li-ion rechargeable battery that is now ubiquitous in today's portable electronic devices. Although Sony is responsible for the commercialization of the technology, he is widely credited for its original identification and development. He received the Japan Prize in 2001 for his discoveries of the materials critical to the development of lightweight rechargeable batteries.

Professorship at The University of Texas at Austin[edit]
Since 1986, he has been a Professor at The University of Texas at Austin in the Cockrell School of Engineering departments of Mechanical Engineering and Electrical Engineering.[5] During his tenure there, he has continued his research on ionic conducting solids and electrochemical devices. His group has identified LixFePO4 as a less costly cathode material that is safe for power applications such as machine tools and Hybrid electric vehicles. His group has also identified various promising electrode and electrolyte materials for solid oxide fuel cells. He currently holds the Virginia H. Cockrell Centennial Chair in Engineering.

Now Polar, with credentials like that, am I really to take your contentions concerning his latest inventions over his? I don't think so.

 

[flacaltenn]

LOL Once again, trying to ignore an up and coming technology and a real paradigm shift in the generation of energy. You obviously never looked at the short video, nor considered the ramifications of a cheap high density battery.

I believe I quite clearly stated that it will be very nice to have that type of battery for use in other technologies. Now, do tell us how a battery, ANY battery, generates energy.

Still ignoring the obvious? No, it does not create energy, but it allows sources like wind and solar to become 24/7. And it allows utilities to have far fewer peaker generators, a savings for them and their customers. But the post was not just about that battery, it included information on how communities in Germany are becoming independent and actually profiting from creating their own electricity. And how the largest utility in Germany is partnering with those communities. And the whole package, from practical EV's to a distributed grid of almost totally renewable generation that profits individuals and communities.

All of the rainbow bright picture you just painted depends on PRIMARY energy sources to charge the storage. When you take a 3 day a week 4 or 8 hour source to DO that charging -- the EXCESS CAPACITY you need to make that work means that your renewable sources need to be installed 3 or 5 times the ACTUAL capacity required for any other source. Add that COST and the COST of the storage -- and you're into serious chump change.

 

[skookerasbil]

I keep hearing about low cost batteries.....for years now. EV's continue to be a total rip off, owned almost exclusively by the wealthy ( a Prius is a fake car ).........still only selling about 130,000 units a year. Ford will sell close to 1 million trucks alone this year!!


Costs don't matter to progressives........but do to the rest of the world!

 

[Old Rocks]

Stem CTO: Lithium-Ion Battery Prices Fell 70% in the Last 18 Months

That will help push prices further downward. But a few other large producers -- LG Chem, Panasonic and Samsung -- are already making batteries at unprecedented scale. There are numerous giga-scale factories producing cells and battery packs for electric cars and stationary applications throughout Asia. And the recent wave of capacity is already impacting pricing in a big way.

According to Larsh Johnson, the chief technology officer of Stem, the company is paying 70 percent less for lithium-ion batteries than it was 18 months ago.
Stem has installed 68 megawatt-hours of batteries for commercial and industrial applications, mostly to shave demand charges for customers that consume a lot of power in the middle of the day. Johnson said the improvement in pricing is allowing Stem to think beyond traditional demand charge management.

Looks like the era of much cheaper batteries has already arrived.

 

[polarbear]

Stem CTO: Lithium-Ion Battery Prices Fell 70% in the Last 18 Months

That will help push prices further downward. But a few other large producers -- LG Chem, Panasonic and Samsung -- are already making batteries at unprecedented scale. There are numerous giga-scale factories producing cells and battery packs for electric cars and stationary applications throughout Asia. And the recent wave of capacity is already impacting pricing in a big way.

According to Larsh Johnson, the chief technology officer of Stem, the company is paying 70 percent less for lithium-ion batteries than it was 18 months ago.
Stem has installed 68 megawatt-hours of batteries for commercial and industrial applications, mostly to shave demand charges for customers that consume a lot of power in the middle of the day. Johnson said the improvement in pricing is allowing Stem to think beyond traditional demand charge management.

Looks like the era of much cheaper batteries has already arrived.

So what if they are paying less for a battery now than they did before. Why are they paying for batteries anyway?
According to this green energy propaganda web site Stem is a "giga-scale" factory that makes batteries. So what`s the big deal if they pay "70% less than before" for batteries after they started to make more of their own batteries?
WtF is a "giga-scale" factory anyway...these planet savers never run out of new words to exaggerate what they are doing.
On that page they are boasting nonsense like this:
As battery costs go down, more hours of storage can be packed into the same battery.
How do you get more storage hours out of the same battery because it`s cheaper?
Unless a battery + the energy it can store is as much as you get out of a tank of gas and is cheaper it will never be able to compete unless you create as much red tape regulations as it takes to make it impossible for internal combustion engines to comply...which is exactly what the Obama admin was doing and Trump is reversing.

 

[RollingThunder]

Stem CTO: Lithium-Ion Battery Prices Fell 70% in the Last 18 Months

That will help push prices further downward. But a few other large producers -- LG Chem, Panasonic and Samsung -- are already making batteries at unprecedented scale. There are numerous giga-scale factories producing cells and battery packs for electric cars and stationary applications throughout Asia. And the recent wave of capacity is already impacting pricing in a big way.

According to Larsh Johnson, the chief technology officer of Stem, the company is paying 70 percent less for lithium-ion batteries than it was 18 months ago.
Stem has installed 68 megawatt-hours of batteries for commercial and industrial applications, mostly to shave demand charges for customers that consume a lot of power in the middle of the day. Johnson said the improvement in pricing is allowing Stem to think beyond traditional demand charge management.

Looks like the era of much cheaper batteries has already arrived.

So what if they are paying less for a battery now than they did before. Why are they paying for batteries anyway?
According to this green energy propaganda web site Stem is a "giga-scale" factory that makes batteries. So what`s the big deal if they pay "70% less than before" for batteries after they started to make more of their own batteries?
WtF is a "giga-scale" factory anyway...these planet savers never run out of new words to exaggerate what they are doing.
On that page they are boasting nonsense like this:
As battery costs go down, more hours of storage can be packed into the same battery.
How do you get more storage hours out of the same battery because it`s cheaper?
Unless a battery + the energy it can store is as much as you get out of a tank of gas and is cheaper it will never be able to compete unless you create as much red tape regulations as it takes to make it impossible for internal combustion engines to comply...which is exactly what the Obama admin was doing and Trump is reversing.

Oh poop4brains, you poor retarded loser. Almost every post you make amounts to you explaiming to everyone how incredibly ignorant and stupid you are.

You can't figure out why it's a big deal when the price of lithium-ion batteries falls 70% in just a year and a half. 'Sad'.

You can't figure out why people buy batteries. Utterly retarded.

You can't figure out (or look up) what a 'giga-scale factory' is. Very very stupid.

You are too stupid to understand that when they say: "as battery costs go down, more hours of storage can be packed into the same battery", they are referring to two different trends.....costs are declining due to a number of factors, including 'economy of scale', and they are finding ways to increase the energy density of the batteries.

You are so retarded and brainwashed that you can't comprehend that electric vehicles are already cheaper to drive per mile on fuel costs, even if you are paying standard utility rates for the electricity, let alone when you can charge up at home for free from a solar panel/battery storage system. And you are such an imbecile that you missed one of the main points of the OP.....the new solid state batteries they developed can hold three times the energy density of the lithium-ion batteries that are currently used in electric vehicles. The best Tesla cars currently have a driving range of over 300 miles before needing a recharge, and that is using a lithium-ion battery. These new batteries will be taking cars between two and three times as far on a single charge, which is much, much farther than a tank of gas can take you.....and they will recharge in minutes.

As they said in the article cited in the OP.....

"The researchers demonstrated that their new battery cells have at least three times as much energy density as today’s lithium-ion batteries. A battery cell’s energy density gives an electric vehicle its driving range, so a higher energy density means that a car can drive more miles between charges. The UT Austin battery formulation also allows for a greater number of charging and discharging cycles, which equates to longer-lasting batteries, as well as a faster rate of recharge (minutes rather than hours)."

 

[skookerasbil]

Stem CTO: Lithium-Ion Battery Prices Fell 70% in the Last 18 Months

That will help push prices further downward. But a few other large producers -- LG Chem, Panasonic and Samsung -- are already making batteries at unprecedented scale. There are numerous giga-scale factories producing cells and battery packs for electric cars and stationary applications throughout Asia. And the recent wave of capacity is already impacting pricing in a big way.

According to Larsh Johnson, the chief technology officer of Stem, the company is paying 70 percent less for lithium-ion batteries than it was 18 months ago.
Stem has installed 68 megawatt-hours of batteries for commercial and industrial applications, mostly to shave demand charges for customers that consume a lot of power in the middle of the day. Johnson said the improvement in pricing is allowing Stem to think beyond traditional demand charge management.

Looks like the era of much cheaper batteries has already arrived.

How false and misleading!! C'mon..........."cheaper". How about, take a closer look and "cheaper", as defined by progressives = going from mega-expensive to very expensive.

School time on energy storage costs ( what the renwable advocates don't want you to know......but what Australian consumers have found out.......the hard way!! )


energy.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/energynvgov/content/Programs/Energy...

Improving the cost and efficiency of renewable energy storage

Despite the hype, batteries aren't the cheapest way to store energy on the grid

 

[Old Rocks]

First and foremost, batteries are capable of being used anywhere. Next to the generators, or next to the consumer. Really hard to move reservoirs around. Second, the cost of the land for reservoirs will increase in the future, while the costs of the batteries are steadily coming down.

But the reality is that there are enough scientists and engineers that see the promise of grid scale storage, that the naysayers are now irrelevant. What we are seeing is the same thing we saw with all the negative comments on solar power. Yap, yap, yap, and then suddenly, utilities are doing mega-watt installations of solar.

 

[mamooth]

Eventually, I see a carport in my future. That is, a place to park an electric vehicle under. I don't have a south facing roof that's suitable for panels, but a carport is cheap. Angle the roof south, solar panels on top, battery bank below, so that you're charging all the time. Doesn't even need a grid connection.

 

[polarbear]

Eventually, I see a carport in my future. That is, a place to park an electric vehicle under. I don't have a south facing roof that's suitable for panels, but a carport is cheap. Angle the roof south, solar panels on top, battery bank below, so that you're charging all the time. Doesn't even need a grid connection.

Good for you.

 

[skookerasbil]

Eventually, I see a carport in my future. That is, a place to park an electric vehicle under. I don't have a south facing roof that's suitable for panels, but a carport is cheap. Angle the roof south, solar panels on top, battery bank below, so that you're charging all the time. Doesn't even need a grid connection.

Awesome.....have fun driving one of those faggy cars. Men don't want EV's.......go to any car show this spring and go up to any of the hundreds in attendance and find even one who's ever going to drive into a show in a Prius. Guess what? Not happening...........and men who toot around in these Prius's do so because their wives wear the pants..........******* duh!Or they are men who never got picked for the team.

The numbers bear it out in profound fashion..........about 130,000 EV's will be sold in the US this year ( maybe ). Ford will sell over 700,000 F150 trucks ALONE!!!

All of you dopey human racists live in some kind of parallel universe.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oooops......I lied.........159,000 EV's were sold last year!! >> Electric Vehicle Sales in the United States: 2016 Final Update

Ford F-Series pickup truck sales for 2016? How about 821,000

Ford F-Series Sales Numbers, Figures, Results


Who is navigating in Disney?

 

[skookerasbil]

Go ask your average American male which ride he'd rather have.........

THIS at 85K >> 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon: An 840-HP Monster! - Official Photos and Info + an F150 Crew Cab with V8.............

.............or THIS Tesla EV at 130K? >> 2017 Tesla Model S Updated: A New Face and Improved Range - Official Photos and Info




Only an oddball who never fit in or a *** would choose the latter!!

 

[Wyatt earp]

Lithium-Ion Battery Inventor Introduces New Technology for Fast-Charging, Noncombustible Batteries

AUSTIN, Texas — A team of engineers led by 94-year-old John Goodenough, professor in the Cockrell School of Engineering at The University of Texas at Austin and co-inventor of the lithium-ion battery, has developed the first all-solid-state battery cells that could lead to safer, faster-charging, longer-lasting rechargeable batteries for handheld mobile devices, electric cars and stationary energy storage.

Goodenough’s latest breakthrough, completed with Cockrell School senior research fellow Maria Helena Braga, is a low-cost all-solid-state battery that is noncombustible and has a long cycle life (battery life) with a high volumetric energy density and fast rates of charge and discharge. The engineers describe their new technology in a recent paper published in the journal Energy & Environmental Science.

“Cost, safety, energy density, rates of charge and discharge and cycle life are critical for battery-driven cars to be more widely adopted. We believe our discovery solves many of the problems that are inherent in today’s batteries,” Goodenough said.

The researchers demonstrated that their new battery cells have at least three times as much energy density as today’s lithium-ion batteries. A battery cell’s energy density gives an electric vehicle its driving range, so a higher energy density means that a car can drive more miles between charges. The UT Austin battery formulation also allows for a greater number of charging and discharging cycles, which equates to longer-lasting batteries, as well as a faster rate of recharge (minutes rather than hours).


All of that, and low cost. If this can be mass manufactured, the ICE is dead.



Germany and Norway leading the way.

Now you add what Tesla is doing with home solar and energy storage, and we are going to see a paradigm shift in how we generate and distribute electricity in the 21st Century.

So this professor from Texas huh?



What the hell did we get out of the 2.4 billion dollars plus Obama's stimulant spent in battery's ?


Obama touts investment in Michigan battery plant


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