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Continuously attempting to foster ignorance and cognitive dissonance among the electorate while at the same time encouraging them to “go out and vote” isn’t healthy for democracy either. IMHO it’s more destructive to it than attempts to restrict access to the ballot because it contributes to delegitimizing it as a viable institution.

BOTH of the major parties have been guilty of it and neither one shows any signs of letting up because history has shown that it’s an excellent method of ensuring that the power of our thoroughly corrupt and plutocratic duopoly never faces a serious challenge from the manipulated masses.

The GOP and the Democrat Party are BOTH threats to democracy and to our republican form of government.
 
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Democrats won the election. Why do they continue to act like whiny losers? Most European nations require a photo I.D. to vote but democrats accuse the former president of being a "threat to democracy" when he supports the same thing.
You're not looking for fraud ,you're looking to reduce the vote of those voting for Dems It's plain and simple and you dotards make believe you don't get it
 

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"experts warn" ;)

Four fantasies of left wingers that will never exist...
1- Bigfoot
2- Unicorns
3- communism working
4- Experts

Experts is the short version of we don’t have anyone to back this shit up and common sense shows why but we’re doing this stupid article anyway.
 

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You are following a man who has NO education and NO morals.
None of that is true.

What is true is that your emotional train wreck TDS rules every aspect of your life.

Seek help.

Trump has severe dyslexia and cannot read. He cheated his way thru school.. He hired students to take tests for him, His sister did his homework and his father enriched school endowments. He has between a 4th grade and 7th grade education.
 
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Democrats won the election. Why do they continue to act like whiny losers? Most European nations require a photo I.D. to vote but democrats accuse the former president of being a "threat to democracy" when he supports the same thing.
You're not looking for fraud ,you're looking to reduce the vote of those voting for Dems It's plain and simple and you dotards make believe you don't get it
If every one of your voters is a live human being you won’t lose a single vote with voter ID. I’m pretty sure you understand why that’s a problem for you.
 

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
 

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Trump has severe dyslexia and cannot read. He cheated his way thru school.. He hired students to take tests foor him, His sister did his homework and his father enriched school endowments. He has between a 4th grade and 7th grade education.
Did he get caught plagiarizing too?
 

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Trump has severe dyslexia and cannot read. He cheated his way thru school.. He hired students to take tests foor him, His sister did his homework and his father enriched school endowments. He has between a 4th grade and 7th grade education.
WOW ...

Your TDS is even worse than I thought.

Seek help.
 
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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
Will you and others here are the threat and more folks are realizing it now BTW Dale from the other board is in a bad way

Trump is the leader of an authoritarian movement made up of an eclectic mix of extremists including Proud Boy fascists, Neo Nazis, white nationalists, religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists.​


Steve Schmidt issues dire warning: US just one election away from permanent Trumpian autocratic rule

"One of the gravest threats the country has ever faced"
Lincoln Project co-founder and GOP strategist turned Democrat Steve Schmidt, ahead of Donald Trump's speech this weekend to the North Carolina Republican Party issued a dire warning: America is just one election away from permanent autocratic rule from the former president and his allies.
In a 512 word Twitter thread Schmidt warns that Republicans have grown even stronger since the January 6 insurrection, and those who think Trump being out of the spotlight and off social media has weakened him are "fools." He also urges the media to stop focusing on the demise of Trump's blog.

Trump is the "presumptive nominee" for the 2024 presidential election, Schmidt, a student of history, says, warning that "elected officials of the Republican Party are obedient soldiers in Trump's cult of personality."
"His words will surely kill again," Schmidt says.
Here's the entire Twitter thread in full (a few minor changes made in capitalization due to the way Schmidt writes his tweets):
Today is the third day of profoundly stupid media coverage around the demise of the Trump blog. How should we assess Trump in this moment and specifically how do we gauge his relative power and influence? Some have posited that Trump's loss, social media bans, and inability to sustain a blog are evidence of his decline, irrelevance and diminishment. Many of these people have argued that saying Trump's name out loud is what fuels and sustains the Trump threat. All we need do, they claim, is to treat him like Voldemort, so long as no one speaks his name out loud, no problem. These people are fools and their delusions are dangerous for the survival of American democracy.
We are at an hour that requires people to wake up. Trump is powerful and he is a clear and PRESENT danger to our democratic society and national stability. Trump has the ability to kill and destroy with the spoken word. His words; his lies, delusions and conspiracy theories have caused bloodshed. That is what happened on January 6th. His words will surely kill again.
Trump is the leader of an authoritarian movement made up of an eclectic mix of extremists including Proud Boy fascists, Neo Nazis, white nationalists, religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists. The Republican Party is the vessel of this movement and the membership of that party is overwhelmingly united around the cause of Trump.
Trump is not just the front runner for the GOP nomination he is the presumptive nominee. Trump is in command of the party lock, stock and barrel. The elected officials of the Republican Party are obedient soldiers in Trump's cult of personality which can be measured in the tens of millions of people. This movement has become faithless to American democracy and it requires an almost Trumpian level of historical ignorance to not recognize it as one of the gravest threats the country has ever faced.
Trump's power and influence is both frightening and real.
It has been said that there are no dumb ideas. There are. High on the list is the notion that Trumps failed blog evidences his waning power. It doesn't. It means nothing. A Trump indictment will not kill off Trump or his movement, it will simply hasten his candidacy. When he becomes a candidate again Facebook and Twitter will lift their well earned bans.
We are in the early years of a great struggle in this country that will last a long time provided the pro democracy side can win elections because we are one away from seeing the autocratic side take power. They will not relinquish it again when they do.
The GOP was not chastened by January 6th. It has grown more extreme and it is on track to take back control of the House in 22. The pro democracy coalition won a great victory when Joe Biden became President. That victory has brought us some time but all the time in the world can't cure a willful and delusional blindness to the great danger, resilience, ambition and authoritarianism of Trumps movement.
 

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Trump has severe dyslexia and cannot read. He cheated his way thru school.. He hired students to take tests foor him, His sister did his homework and his father enriched school endowments. He has between a 4th grade and 7th grade education.
WOW ...

Your TDS is even worse than I thought.

Seek help.

You aren't man enough to face the truth. Trump can't read.
 

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
Is “crossing the line” the litmus test of “bi-partisanship”? I always thought it was the willingness to compromise and take input from the “other side” seriously before putting anything up for a vote, seems to me that neither party has a track record of fostering that except on trivial matters that don’t risk angering their respective “base”. :dunno:
 

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You aren't man enough to face the truth. Trump can't read.
Your TDS has nothing to do with me being a man.

Seek help.
 

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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party
Like there was from the Democrats when they were in the minority?
 

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We never had as much voter fraud until Soros backed Governors and AGs started making up their own laws. We need to get voting back in the polls and insist on a picture ID card.
 

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Trump has severe dyslexia and cannot read. He cheated his way thru school.. He hired students to take tests foor him, His sister did his homework and his father enriched school endowments. He has between a 4th grade and 7th grade education.
Did he get caught plagiarizing too?

Probably not.. Trump cut classes and can't read, but his wife was caught Plagiarizing.
 
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It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party It's time to stop turning the other cheek only to get slapped down by the republican scum

It's time to realize there will be no bi partisanship coming from repub party

and yet, 6 republicans recently crossed the line on a vote.

When is the last time more than 2 democrats crossed the aisle?
You wanted Dems to cross the line in not supporting the virus bill that helped bring back our economy?? Or the infrastructure one that repubs have been promising for years to do something about but have done ZERO and how about the Health Care plan they've been promising ?

ed, I want to know why few, IF ANY, democrats have crossed the aisle, on ANY bill.

But keep cherry picking.


It's what you do.
Is “crossing the line” the litmus test of “bi-partisanship”? I always thought it was the willingness to compromise and take input from the “other side” seriously before putting anything up for a vote, seems to me that neither party has a track record of fostering that except on trivial matters that don’t risk angering their respective “base”. :dunno:
Night I appreciate your dislike for both parties At least there is someone here that's half right But no bi partisanship on Virus help for our economy or so far on infrastructure surely must show your repubs have their heads up their butts??
 

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"experts warn"​

The best experts were our Founding Fathers. They knew dumb people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I suspect our Founding Fathers would be completely befuddled by what their creation has become and wouldn’t claim expertise on any of our current methods, institutions or politics.

In fact I could easily imagine founder Tommy J exclaiming “WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE??????” Upon examining today’s U.S. of A.
 
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We never had as much voter fraud until Soros backed Governors and AGs started making up their own laws. We need to get voting back in the polls and insist on a picture ID card.
THERE is NO fraud Just republicans destroying the voting abilities of decent legal people
 

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The GOP has proven to be an even 'greater threat' to US democracy than Trump in 2021, experts warn​

  • Democracy experts are sounding the alarm.
  • Republican-led legislatures nationwide are taking extraordinary steps to restrict voting.
  • "The Republican party has proven to be a greater threat than Trump," one expert told Insider.
By the time Donald Trump left the White House, it was widely agreed upon that he was the most anti-democratic president in modern US history. He exhibited an unparalleled disdain for democratic institutions during his four years in power, and topped it all off by refusing to accept the legitimate results of the 2020 election and provoking a deadly insurrection at the US Capitol. It was unprecedented and the US is still dealing with the consequences.
On his way out the door, Trump was impeached for a second time for inciting the riot. A week later, President Joe Biden was inaugurated, and some scholars of democracy were hopeful that Trump's departure would open the door for the GOP to hit the reset button. But those feelings of optimism didn't last long as Republicans continued to show unwavering loyalty to Trump and his "big lie," and as GOP-led legislatures nationwide pushed for laws to restrict voting in extraordinary ways.
Sheri Berman, a professor of political science at Barnard College and author of "Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe: From the Ancien Régime to the Present Day," told Insider she's become even "more pessimistic" about the future of American democracy in 2021.
"With Trump gone, I hoped the Republican party might recalibrate, moving away from his illiberal, anti-democratic and irrational behavior and embracing a conservative, but firmly reality-based and small 'd' democratic politics," Berman said. "That the Republican party has proven to be a greater threat than Trump — a single individual — bodes poorly for the health of American democracy."

'I don't think the average citizen understands the threat'​

Michigan voting

Brooke Hader, 18, votes for the first time since becoming old enough to be eligible, as she fills out her ballot during absentee early voting for the general election in Sterling Heights, Mich., Thursday, Oct. 29, 2020 David Goldman/AP
Only 16% of Americans say democracy is working well or extremely well, according to a February poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. The poll found that nearly half of Americans — 45% — think democracy isn't functioning properly. But it's less clear if Americans are cognizant of the escalating threat posed to the democratic process in the US by GOP efforts to make it harder to vote.
"I don't think the average citizen understands the threat because the average citizen doesn't have the time or the incentive to analyze what is going on politically at the national, state and local level on a daily basis," Berman said.
Berman was among more than 100 experts on democracy who signed a letter — published by the New America think tank on Tuesday — urging Democrats in Congress to suspend the filibuster and do whatever else is necessary to pass national voting and election-administration standards that would guarantee "the vote to all Americans equally, and prevent state legislatures from manipulating the rules in order to manufacture the result they want."
"The letter was necessary and appropriate — a way to warn those who don't study these issues of the danger of what is going on," Berman said.
Roosevelt University political scientist David Faris, who also signed the letter, in a recent interview with Vox expressed concern that "complacency has set in on the Democratic side and people are lulled into thinking things are normal and fine just because Biden's approval ratings are good."
"When people think of democracy dying, they think of some very dramatic event like Trump riding down Pennsylvania Avenue in a tank or something. That's not the reality here," Faris went on to say.

'It's absolutely right to sound the alarm'​

Virginia voting

In this Nov. 3, 2020, file photo voters cast their ballots under a giant mural at Robious Elementary school on Election Day, in Midlothian, Va. AP Photo/Steve Helber, File
Archon Fung, the Winthrop Laflin McCormack Professor of Citizenship and Self-Government at the Harvard Kennedy School, told Insider that the rising concerns about the state of democracy and GOP efforts to restrict vote is "warranted."
"It's absolutely right to sound the alarm," Fung said, applauding the democracy scholars who signed the letter.
"In terms of the basic issue of who gets to vote and how hard it is to vote, this is the most challenging period in American history in 50 years since the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act," Fung added. "We're back there again, unfortunately. The current manifestation is different, but many of the issues are the same. And the color of the people whose vote is at stake is very similar, also."
President Joe Biden has repeatedly made it clear that he's concerned about protecting voting rights against Republican attacks. He's pushing Congress to pass the For the People Act, even calling out members of his own party who are standing in the way of the bill. The expansive voting rights package passed in the House in early March, but it faces an uphill battle in the evenly-split Senate.
During a speech in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Tuesday, Biden also announced that he's tapped Vice President Kamala Harris to spearhead the administration's efforts to shore up voting rights
"Democrats recognize the urgency of these issues, but the problem is the filibuster," Berman said, adding that Senate Republicans "won't agree to the necessary reforms to improve the functioning and legitimacy of the electoral process."

'This could be a moment in which we begin to create a better democracy than we've ever had'​


Volunteers help voters drop off their ballots at the Maricopa County Recorder's Office in October 2020 in Phoenix, Arizona. Ross D. Franklin/AP
Without downplaying the scale of the problem, Fung said he's encouraged by the growing conversation in Washington, DC, on protecting voting rights. But he underscored that "a huge amount of worrisome activity" is occurring at the local or state level, while expressing concern about a relative lack of popular and grassroots activity on democracy issues.
To his point, between January 1 and mid-May, at least 14 states enacted 22 new laws that restrict access to the vote, a tracker from the Brennan Center for Justice showed. Overall, at least 389 restrictive bills have been introduced by lawmakers in 48 states in the 2021 legislative sessions.
The GOP seems "determined not only to restrict voting in ways they believe will benefit them, but even more frightening to increase partisan influence and oversight over the electoral process, again in order to be able to overturn election outcomes that they believe to be 'false,'" Berman said, denouncing these efforts as "direct threats to the most basic of democratic institutions — free and fair elections."
To that, Fung added: "The future is open and could go a lot of different ways, some of them very good and some of them very bad. The foundations of democracy could further erode, or this could be a moment in which we begin to create a better democracy than we've ever had."
We have entertainers and sports players drilling the deplorables daily while they cozy up to the Chinese as to not offend them.
 
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