A federal Judge Just Ruled Against Over 100 Houston Hospital Workers Who Will Be Fired If They Don't Get The COVID-19 Vaccine

[meaner gene]

No one is noting that Texas is a "right to work" state. An employer can fire an employer for any reason they want to. Agree or disagree with the vaccine if you support "right to work" you have no legal standing to be against what the hospital is doing.

Seems to me that the employee's lose or the entire idea of "right to work" gets tossed.

Not accurate hun...you can't fire someone based on religion, sexual orientation, disability etc. The vaccine isn't a vaccine----but it may be against many religion and the vaccine has already been shown to make people sick and kill them. Even in texas, you can't require your employees to make themselves sick or kill themselves for a job.

Note: Even in texas, you can't require your employees to make themselves sick or kill themselves for a job.

If Texas is a right to work state, then they certainly can.

Why “Right-to-Work” Is Wrong for Safety - LHSFNA

In February, West Virginia became the 26th state in the U.S. to enact deceptively named “right-to-work” laws after the state’s House and Senate overrode a veto from Governor Ray Tomblin. In recent years, similar battles have been fought in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio, with mixed...

www.lhsfna.org

Why “Right-to-Work” Is Wrong for Safety
In February, West Virginia became the 26th state in the U.S. to enact deceptively named “right-to-work” laws after the state’s House and Senate overrode a veto from Governor Ray Tomblin.

The BLS reports the rate of fatalities in the workplace is 54 percent higher in states with right-to-work laws. That is a staggering difference in the level of safety provided to workers.

What’s behind this increase in workplace fatalities? As the Economic Policy Institute notes, right-to-work laws are “designed to hurt unions and lower wages.” Unions give workers a voice in the workplace, allowing them to speak up about hazards on the job without fear of retaliation. When right-to-work laws weaken this system of checks and balances, workers may no longer feel comfortable speaking up about safety.

 

[pknopp]

No one is noting that Texas is a "right to work" state. An employer can fire an employer for any reason they want to. Agree or disagree with the vaccine if you support "right to work" you have no legal standing to be against what the hospital is doing.

Seems to me that the employee's lose or the entire idea of "right to work" gets tossed.

Not accurate hun...you can't fire someone based on religion, sexual orientation, disability etc. The vaccine isn't a vaccine----but it may be against many religion and the vaccine has already been shown to make people sick and kill them. Even in texas, you can't require your employees to make themselves sick or kill themselves for a job.

The court ruled otherwise.

i suppose you realize this can be used as precedence now

~S~

Higher courts don't really use lower court rulings as precedent. If it goes further the rulings can be.

 

[pknopp]

No one is noting that Texas is a "right to work" state. An employer can fire an employer for any reason they want to. Agree or disagree with the vaccine if you support "right to work" you have no legal standing to be against what the hospital is doing.

Seems to me that the employee's lose or the entire idea of "right to work" gets tossed.

Not accurate hun...you can't fire someone based on religion, sexual orientation, disability etc. The vaccine isn't a vaccine----but it may be against many religion and the vaccine has already been shown to make people sick and kill them. Even in texas, you can't require your employees to make themselves sick or kill themselves for a job.

Note: Even in texas, you can't require your employees to make themselves sick or kill themselves for a job.

If Texas is a right to work state, then they certainly can.

Why “Right-to-Work” Is Wrong for Safety - LHSFNA

In February, West Virginia became the 26th state in the U.S. to enact deceptively named “right-to-work” laws after the state’s House and Senate overrode a veto from Governor Ray Tomblin. In recent years, similar battles have been fought in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio, with mixed...

www.lhsfna.org

Why “Right-to-Work” Is Wrong for Safety
In February, West Virginia became the 26th state in the U.S. to enact deceptively named “right-to-work” laws after the state’s House and Senate overrode a veto from Governor Ray Tomblin.

The BLS reports the rate of fatalities in the workplace is 54 percent higher in states with right-to-work laws. That is a staggering difference in the level of safety provided to workers.

What’s behind this increase in workplace fatalities? As the Economic Policy Institute notes, right-to-work laws are “designed to hurt unions and lower wages.” Unions give workers a voice in the workplace, allowing them to speak up about hazards on the job without fear of retaliation. When right-to-work laws weaken this system of checks and balances, workers may no longer feel comfortable speaking up about safety.

I don't agree with RtW which is why I hope the ruling is overturned but I'm not counting on it.

 

[candycorn]

I support the employee's right to not have the vaccine.

However Texas is a "right to work" state so an employer can fire someone for just about any reason in that state leaving the employee with nearly no recourse.

The judge ruled against the employees. I knew the judge would. I do agree with the judge on how absurd it is to compare the vaccine mandate by the employer to the holocaust and the experiments on innocent jewish people. Using that comparison is ridiculous.

They plan to appeal so it's not over.

A federal judge just ruled against over 100 Houston hospital workers who will be fired if they don't get the COVID-19 vaccine

Another win for the good guys.

 

[meaner gene]

At the core of the judges decision:

He added that the workers were free to accept or reject a vaccine and that they would "simply need to work elsewhere" if they chose the latter.

"If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for his remuneration," Hughes wrote. "That is all part of the bargain."


That's a right to work argument.

 

[krichton]

Oooooo. The down side of the Republican “right to work” laws. How you guys like it now?

Right to work laws are about forcing people to pay money to unions.

The vaccination doesn't cost anything

It reduced the power of the employee. Employers can pretty much make you do anything. That’s the rub. Less money and employees are a corporate bitch was the result.

Correct.

‘Right to work’ laws ensure that employees have a right to low wages, a right to poor working conditions, a right to no retirement, a right to no access to affordable healthcare, and a right to layoffs and job losses for any capricious, unwarranted reason or reasons.

‘Right to work’ laws are the epitome of conservatives’ contempt for working Americans.

Funny how all kinds of non union shops provide all those things without employees being forced to pay union dues.

Seriously though, right to work states average salary is $6,000 below the remaining states. I can link it if you want but I read it a few days ago. There is an impact to the power imbalance. I bet with work from home gaining speed employees may get a little more power. I could be wrong.

People who work from home are not as productive so IMO people who work from home should be paid less not more

It's a horrible idea to make such a blanket statement.

My job has always been mostly from home. I'm a photographer. The only part of my job that I don't do from home is taking the photos.

Otherwise I'm working through the night to edit, caption and transit photos.

I'm just as productive as anyone who goes into an office, maybe even more productive.

I get on the job site around 10 am. Then work on site through the day until around 2am the next morning. Then I go home or to a hotel room to process all those thousands of photos. It takes hours and I'm usually working until at least 6:30 in the morning. Then go to bed. Then wake up to be back on the job site again at 10 am.

I don't know what other people do when they work at home but your statement doesn't apply to me and people who do the job I do.

I noticed you didn't put up any link to support your claims.

Do you work for someone else?

Or do you work for yourself?

I am speaking of employees who work for someone else.

I'm a photographer for Getty Images.

I work for Getty Images and I work for myself.

I have editors in Los Angeles and NY City.

I have up to 24 hours to process and transmit photos. When you're dealing with thousands of photos, it takes many hours.

You don't know what you're talking about.

My experience with employees tells me otherwise.

I had employees too. Other than damage to my equipment those employees worked just as hard as I do.

You need to learn how to hire workers if you're hiring people who don't work.

Have you ever considered it's YOU who has been hiring the wrong people?

Maybe if you hired the right people who actually cared about the job you would have different results.

Seems you don't know how to motivate your employees. From what I've read of your posts, I'm not surprised. Your attitude about workers is terrible. No one would want to work with someone with your attitude.

Your employees are just an extension of you and your work habits. You have hired people like you. So you have lazy workers. Just like you.

He's 51, so he probably hired people for under $6/hr and expected them to work above and beyond for their slave wages.

 

[Blues Man]

Oooooo. The down side of the Republican “right to work” laws. How you guys like it now?

Right to work laws are about forcing people to pay money to unions.

The vaccination doesn't cost anything

It reduced the power of the employee. Employers can pretty much make you do anything. That’s the rub. Less money and employees are a corporate bitch was the result.

Correct.

‘Right to work’ laws ensure that employees have a right to low wages, a right to poor working conditions, a right to no retirement, a right to no access to affordable healthcare, and a right to layoffs and job losses for any capricious, unwarranted reason or reasons.

‘Right to work’ laws are the epitome of conservatives’ contempt for working Americans.

Funny how all kinds of non union shops provide all those things without employees being forced to pay union dues.

Seriously though, right to work states average salary is $6,000 below the remaining states. I can link it if you want but I read it a few days ago. There is an impact to the power imbalance. I bet with work from home gaining speed employees may get a little more power. I could be wrong.

People who work from home are not as productive so IMO people who work from home should be paid less not more

It's a horrible idea to make such a blanket statement.

My job has always been mostly from home. I'm a photographer. The only part of my job that I don't do from home is taking the photos.

Otherwise I'm working through the night to edit, caption and transit photos.

I'm just as productive as anyone who goes into an office, maybe even more productive.

I get on the job site around 10 am. Then work on site through the day until around 2am the next morning. Then I go home or to a hotel room to process all those thousands of photos. It takes hours and I'm usually working until at least 6:30 in the morning. Then go to bed. Then wake up to be back on the job site again at 10 am.

I don't know what other people do when they work at home but your statement doesn't apply to me and people who do the job I do.

I noticed you didn't put up any link to support your claims.

Do you work for someone else?

Or do you work for yourself?

I am speaking of employees who work for someone else.

I'm a photographer for Getty Images.

I work for Getty Images and I work for myself.

I have editors in Los Angeles and NY City.

I have up to 24 hours to process and transmit photos. When you're dealing with thousands of photos, it takes many hours.

You don't know what you're talking about.

My experience with employees tells me otherwise.

I had employees too. Other than damage to my equipment those employees worked just as hard as I do.

You need to learn how to hire workers if you're hiring people who don't work.

Have you ever considered it's YOU who has been hiring the wrong people?

Maybe if you hired the right people who actually cared about the job you would have different results.

Seems you don't know how to motivate your employees. From what I've read of your posts, I'm not surprised. Your attitude about workers is terrible. No one would want to work with someone with your attitude.

Your employees are just an extension of you and your work habits. You have hired people like you. So you have lazy workers. Just like you.

He's 51, so he probably hired people for under $6/hr and expected them to work above and beyond for their slave wages.

you presume to know much about me. let me assure you that you don't.

 

[debbiedowner]

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

 

[postman]

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

That was 100 years ago, and with smallpox epidemic in hot spots around the country, like in New York City.

Since then, the court has swung to protecting right to privacy, requiring informed consent to any medical procedure, including vaccinations.

 

[debbiedowner]

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

That was 100 years ago, and with smallpox epidemic in hot spots around the country, like in New York City.

Since then, the court has swung to protecting right to privacy, requiring informed consent to any medical procedure, including vaccinations.

They still won't win their suit if taken to supreme court.

 

[krichton]

Oooooo. The down side of the Republican “right to work” laws. How you guys like it now?

Right to work laws are about forcing people to pay money to unions.

The vaccination doesn't cost anything

It reduced the power of the employee. Employers can pretty much make you do anything. That’s the rub. Less money and employees are a corporate bitch was the result.

Correct.

‘Right to work’ laws ensure that employees have a right to low wages, a right to poor working conditions, a right to no retirement, a right to no access to affordable healthcare, and a right to layoffs and job losses for any capricious, unwarranted reason or reasons.

‘Right to work’ laws are the epitome of conservatives’ contempt for working Americans.

Funny how all kinds of non union shops provide all those things without employees being forced to pay union dues.

Seriously though, right to work states average salary is $6,000 below the remaining states. I can link it if you want but I read it a few days ago. There is an impact to the power imbalance. I bet with work from home gaining speed employees may get a little more power. I could be wrong.

People who work from home are not as productive so IMO people who work from home should be paid less not more

It's a horrible idea to make such a blanket statement.

My job has always been mostly from home. I'm a photographer. The only part of my job that I don't do from home is taking the photos.

Otherwise I'm working through the night to edit, caption and transit photos.

I'm just as productive as anyone who goes into an office, maybe even more productive.

I get on the job site around 10 am. Then work on site through the day until around 2am the next morning. Then I go home or to a hotel room to process all those thousands of photos. It takes hours and I'm usually working until at least 6:30 in the morning. Then go to bed. Then wake up to be back on the job site again at 10 am.

I don't know what other people do when they work at home but your statement doesn't apply to me and people who do the job I do.

I noticed you didn't put up any link to support your claims.

Do you work for someone else?

Or do you work for yourself?

I am speaking of employees who work for someone else.

I'm a photographer for Getty Images.

I work for Getty Images and I work for myself.

I have editors in Los Angeles and NY City.

I have up to 24 hours to process and transmit photos. When you're dealing with thousands of photos, it takes many hours.

You don't know what you're talking about.

My experience with employees tells me otherwise.

I had employees too. Other than damage to my equipment those employees worked just as hard as I do.

You need to learn how to hire workers if you're hiring people who don't work.

Have you ever considered it's YOU who has been hiring the wrong people?

Maybe if you hired the right people who actually cared about the job you would have different results.

Seems you don't know how to motivate your employees. From what I've read of your posts, I'm not surprised. Your attitude about workers is terrible. No one would want to work with someone with your attitude.

Your employees are just an extension of you and your work habits. You have hired people like you. So you have lazy workers. Just like you.

He's 51, so he probably hired people for under $6/hr and expected them to work above and beyond for their slave wages.

you presume to know much about me. let me assure you that you don't.

I know you're not denying a thing i said.

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

That was 100 years ago, and with smallpox epidemic in hot spots around the country, like in New York City.

Since then, the court has swung to protecting right to privacy, requiring informed consent to any medical procedure, including vaccinations.

Cite the supreme court rulings where the Supreme Court has done this, regarding vaccinations.

 

[Blues Man]

Oooooo. The down side of the Republican “right to work” laws. How you guys like it now?

Right to work laws are about forcing people to pay money to unions.

The vaccination doesn't cost anything

It reduced the power of the employee. Employers can pretty much make you do anything. That’s the rub. Less money and employees are a corporate bitch was the result.

Correct.

‘Right to work’ laws ensure that employees have a right to low wages, a right to poor working conditions, a right to no retirement, a right to no access to affordable healthcare, and a right to layoffs and job losses for any capricious, unwarranted reason or reasons.

‘Right to work’ laws are the epitome of conservatives’ contempt for working Americans.

Funny how all kinds of non union shops provide all those things without employees being forced to pay union dues.

Seriously though, right to work states average salary is $6,000 below the remaining states. I can link it if you want but I read it a few days ago. There is an impact to the power imbalance. I bet with work from home gaining speed employees may get a little more power. I could be wrong.

People who work from home are not as productive so IMO people who work from home should be paid less not more

It's a horrible idea to make such a blanket statement.

My job has always been mostly from home. I'm a photographer. The only part of my job that I don't do from home is taking the photos.

Otherwise I'm working through the night to edit, caption and transit photos.

I'm just as productive as anyone who goes into an office, maybe even more productive.

I get on the job site around 10 am. Then work on site through the day until around 2am the next morning. Then I go home or to a hotel room to process all those thousands of photos. It takes hours and I'm usually working until at least 6:30 in the morning. Then go to bed. Then wake up to be back on the job site again at 10 am.

I don't know what other people do when they work at home but your statement doesn't apply to me and people who do the job I do.

I noticed you didn't put up any link to support your claims.

Do you work for someone else?

Or do you work for yourself?

I am speaking of employees who work for someone else.

I'm a photographer for Getty Images.

I work for Getty Images and I work for myself.

I have editors in Los Angeles and NY City.

I have up to 24 hours to process and transmit photos. When you're dealing with thousands of photos, it takes many hours.

You don't know what you're talking about.

My experience with employees tells me otherwise.

I had employees too. Other than damage to my equipment those employees worked just as hard as I do.

You need to learn how to hire workers if you're hiring people who don't work.

Have you ever considered it's YOU who has been hiring the wrong people?

Maybe if you hired the right people who actually cared about the job you would have different results.

Seems you don't know how to motivate your employees. From what I've read of your posts, I'm not surprised. Your attitude about workers is terrible. No one would want to work with someone with your attitude.

Your employees are just an extension of you and your work habits. You have hired people like you. So you have lazy workers. Just like you.

He's 51, so he probably hired people for under $6/hr and expected them to work above and beyond for their slave wages.

you presume to know much about me. let me assure you that you don't.

I know you're not denying a thing i said.

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

That was 100 years ago, and with smallpox epidemic in hot spots around the country, like in New York City.

Since then, the court has swung to protecting right to privacy, requiring informed consent to any medical procedure, including vaccinations.

Cite the supreme court rulings where the Supreme Court has done this, regarding vaccinations.

I was able to retire at 51 because I worked 7 days a week for 25 years, lived well below my means and saved every cent I could.

I never had a problem getting employees and keeping them. I expected a lot from them and paid above industry averages.

Unlike you I know that it's a fact that employees don't work as hard when the boss isn't around

 

[Jets]

These workers have the right to refuse vaccine.

They also have the right to seek other employment…

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These workers have the right to refuse vaccine.

They also have the right to seek other employment…

What they lack in a state like Texas is the right to belong to a union where they can be on an equal footing with their employer, instead of being at a disadvantage.

 

[pknopp]

Mandated vaccinations have historic — and legal — precedent

The United States Supreme Court, more than 100 years ago, ruled that the public health power of government extends to mandating vaccines against highly communicable and often lethal disea…

thehill.com

That was 100 years ago, and with smallpox epidemic in hot spots around the country, like in New York City.

Since then, the court has swung to protecting right to privacy, requiring informed consent to any medical procedure, including vaccinations.

Every kid has to be vaccinated before starting school or they don't go.

 

[Dana7360]

At the core of the judges decision:

He added that the workers were free to accept or reject a vaccine and that they would "simply need to work elsewhere" if they chose the latter.

"If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for his remuneration," Hughes wrote. "That is all part of the bargain."


That's a right to work argument.

The judge was just following the right to work laws in Texas.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Yeah! Fire 100 of your nurses. See how that works...lol

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

These workers have the right to refuse vaccine.

They also have the right to seek other employment…

What they lack in a state like Texas is the right to belong to a union where they can be on an equal footing with their employer, instead of being at a disadvantage.

And that's what all this shit is REALLY about. Communists wanting to take over. Workers of the world, UNITE!!!

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah! Fire 100 of your nurses. See how that works...lol

Require a study of at least one hundred nurses to get an upper hand on the pathogen.

 

[22lcidw]

I support the employee's right to not have the vaccine.

However Texas is a "right to work" state so an employer can fire someone for just about any reason in that state leaving the employee with nearly no recourse.

The judge ruled against the employees. I knew the judge would. I do agree with the judge on how absurd it is to compare the vaccine mandate by the employer to the holocaust and the experiments on innocent jewish people. Using that comparison is ridiculous.

They plan to appeal so it's not over.

A federal judge just ruled against over 100 Houston hospital workers who will be fired if they don't get the COVID-19 vaccine

Another win for the good guys.

Then let us stop paying for any irresponsible ways of living. Imagine what we will save. By your ways of surviving. Let us start by fixing women who get pregnant and can not pay. And vasectomies for men who impregnate them and are of the same. Sexual disease medications and treatments paid for by the individuals or by donations. Imagine the savings....Oh the savings and then the civility between us all will increase many times over.