Well, since you haven't refuted anything I said and are now demanding........or at least bringing up SOCIALISM, we now know why you say, what you say, each and every time.
I will note that you admit buying the "capitalist dogs" products, while demanding the very system that gave them to you for a reasonable price, is somehow in error. I also do not understand the illogical logic of yours, that if the price is down 100 dollars that you used as an example, then leaving you with that extra 100 dollars in your pocket to spend elsewhere in the economy for products somebody else created, is somehow a bad thing, and does not raise your standard of living, because now you have the TV, computer, or auto, AND the other product(s) purchased with the money you had left over.
And this again, is where you are kind of a retard. It doesn't matter if I have an extra $100 in my pocket if my employer uses every recession and cutback to pay me less or make me work harder. Because if that good manufacturing job goes to China, that means other consumers have less money to pay for products I make or buy.
Again, you guys are all kind of stupid to think that what benefits the rich benefits you.
Since when are you tied to one job? Is that a new left edict I haven't heard about? How does a cutback effect you in manufacturing, if 10% of the workers are sent back to their own country?
Joe, you go round, and round, and round, but the reasons always come back home to roost, whether you like it or not--------------> to many workers, chasing to few jobs, and some of those workers don't belong here chasing them.
The corporations can not offer less money, if they need workers, and there are none available. It is economics 101, or didn't you ever go to school! The law of supply and demand regulates labor, just like everything else.
I do not understand the mental block you have on this. You can't have it both ways unless you are SOCIALIST, or MARXIST. You can NOT flood the market with labor without slots for them, then demand compensation rise. Squeeze out excess labor, and the market for labor rises by itself.
I am not debating who/whom fault it is, I am proclaiming an economic fact! Labor is a commodity, just like every commodity, in the build process. All commodities rise and fall by their availability, or lack there of. It is why the fed moves interest rates by the unemployment rate. They do not want to cause inflation because of labor costs. (u-6, or u-whatever, you choose)
Your argument has no basis in fact! I know it, and everybody else knows it who owns a business. If labor costs were not a commodity built into the cost, we could proclaim that all people can make 30 bucks an hr, and we would be competitive here, there, and everywhere.
How many jobs would you like to provide for illegals? How many working age people are in South America willing to come here illegally? That is really what you are suggesting, because nobody is going to hire a MORE expensive employee, when they can hire a cheaper one. Do you when you have your car fixed? Your air conditioner? Your furnace? Or don't you take bids!
YOUR personal stance is screwing your fellow Americans for political gain; and I don't give a damn if you are a Republican or Democrat. It is NOT the illegal alien screwing us, it is the goofy people inside BOTH party's who could care less how their WANT's screw everyone else.
If the law is followed, (unless you want to try and change it) our American brethren would have many more opportunities. The 1% are crooks, but what you fail to admit is----------> you are too, and because of people like you, they are allowed to be!
This conversation is OVER. Not because either one of us won or lost, but rather because I am for Americans, and you seem more interested in screwing the owners of the country, instead of helping them.
GOOD, LUCK!