A conversation that didn't happen, but should have.

[berg80]

White House Staffer: Mr. President, HHS has just completed a study, code-named "Crimson Contagion," on the country's preparedness regarding a potential viral outbreak. It highlights "just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed."

Trump: Go on.

WH Staffer: Sir, among other things, like bureaucratic snags, the study found the country does "not have the means to quickly manufacture more essential medical equipment, supplies or medicines, including antiviral medications, needles, syringes, N95 respirators and ventilators."

Trump: I see.

WH Staffer: The study makes some dire predictions, sir. It lays out scenarios in which millions of people could potentially be infected. What would you like to do about it, sir?

Trump: We should see about replacing the people I fired from the NSC who were put in place by the Obama admin to help coordinate the nation's response. Also, plans need to be made for a way to increase our capacity to manufacture protective clothing, masks, and to make sure we have enough accurate test kits that can be made available quickly. Let's get moving on that and report back to me in two weeks on what progress has been made.
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The more realistic conversation.

WH Official: Mr. President, your golf clubs are packed, sir. Will you be playing 18 or 36 holes?

Trump: Good, good. 36. I'm supposed to be meeting with staff about some stupid report but I just don't have time. I hear the weather is going to be great in Florida this weekend.
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Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
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Here's the Golfer-in-Chief, the guy responsible for keeping the country safe, prioritizing his time.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

White House Staffer: Mr. President, HHS has just completed a study, code-named "Crimson Contagion," on the country's preparedness regarding a potential viral outbreak. It highlights "just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed."

Trump: Go on.

WH Staffer: Sir, among other things, like bureaucratic snags, the study found the country does "not have the means to quickly manufacture more essential medical equipment, supplies or medicines, including antiviral medications, needles, syringes, N95 respirators and ventilators."

Trump: I see.

WH Staffer: The study makes some dire predictions, sir. It lays out scenarios in which millions of people could potentially be infected. What would you like to do about it, sir?

Trump: We should see about replacing the people I fired from the NSC who were put in place by the Obama admin to help coordinate the nation's response. Also, plans need to be made for a way to increase our capacity to manufacture protective clothing, masks, and to make sure we have enough accurate test kits that can be made available quickly. Let's get moving on that and report back to me in two weeks on what progress has been made.
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The more realistic conversation.

WH Official: Mr. President, your golf clubs are packed, sir. Will you be playing 18 or 36 holes?

Trump: Good, good. 36. I'm supposed to be meeting with staff about some stupid report but I just don't have time. I hear the weather is going to be great in Florida this weekend.
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Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
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Here's the Golfer-in-Chief, the guy responsible for keeping the country safe, prioritizing his time.

Probably should have seen that one coming. Oh yeah, a lot of us did. Not the virus, but the absolute incompetence and danger of a Trump presidency.
Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

 

[Norman]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

And that's why we are far ahead of the nations filled with open borders crazies.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

 

[berg80]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

That wasn't only not nearly enough, your reply does not address the myriad of ways Trump has bungled the response. Everything from down playing the risks to misinforming the public to not anticipating the need for equipment despite being given the advantage of using the events in China as a warning.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

That wasn't only not nearly enough, your reply does not address the myriad of ways Trump has bungled the response. Everything from down playing the risks to misinforming the public to not anticipating the need for equipment despite being given the advantage of using the events in China as a warning.

What’s your solution?

 

[Norman]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

That wasn't only not nearly enough, your reply does not address the myriad of ways Trump has bungled the response. Everything from down playing the risks to misinforming the public to not anticipating the need for equipment despite being given the advantage of using the events in China as a warning.

Look at USA, then look at Europe, then look at USA again.

And then try to be honest when you say that Trump bungled the response. It can't be done, even you know you are TDSer and a liar.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

That wasn't only not nearly enough, your reply does not address the myriad of ways Trump has bungled the response. Everything from down playing the risks to misinforming the public to not anticipating the need for equipment despite being given the advantage of using the events in China as a warning.

Look at USA, then look at Europe, then look at USA again.

And then try to be honest when you say that Trump bungled the response. It can't be done, even you know you are TDSer and a liar.

If Trump did not respond well, Obama fucked a coconut on Swine flu.

These assholes are just political opportunists.

 

[berg80]

Trumpleton's, honestly, in your wildest imagination can you see Trump spending his time as he should..........meeting with competent staff to proactively organize the nation's response.........instead of making plans for rallies, playing golf, and sending out mean tweets.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

 

[Norman]

Trumpleton's, honestly, in your wildest imagination can you see Trump spending his time as he should..........meeting with competent staff to proactively organize the nation's response.........instead of making plans for rallies, playing golf, and sending out mean tweets.

We don't need to imagine that because he has done just that in the last week.

You would know if you had a channel that is not CNN installed.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

No cuts were made, come on man.

Cite the budgets for the entities you are concerned about and their budget cuts.

Start with the CDC. How much was the CDC budget cut? Just list a number.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

No cuts were made, come on man.

Cite the budgets for the entities you are concerned about and their budget cuts.

Start with the CDC. How much was the CDC budget cut? Just list a number.

Oh Lordy...I think we've covered this multiple times in other threads...but into the abyss we jump once more....

I'll forgo the Snopes article which has the final word on this and try another tack.
Trump administration budget cuts could become a major problem as coronavirus spreads

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

And that's why we are far ahead of the nations filled with open borders crazies.

Are you really this fucking stupid? What borders? Suspended flights from China wow we see how that went, didn't stop of fucking thing. If he had have taken this seriously from the beginning he would have suspended all flights and cruises into and out of the U.S. and given it two weeks and then if the spread continued here shut the country down for a couple weeks. Economy in the long run will be damaged for years continuing this drip, drip, drip of something here and there to stop the spread. Should have taken the hit weeks ago so the economy could start recovering sooner than two years from now.

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump was prepared, immediately performed his signature move of closing the border.

That wasn't only not nearly enough, your reply does not address the myriad of ways Trump has bungled the response. Everything from down playing the risks to misinforming the public to not anticipating the need for equipment despite being given the advantage of using the events in China as a warning.

Look at USA, then look at Europe, then look at USA again.

And then try to be honest when you say that Trump bungled the response. It can't be done, even you know you are TDSer and a liar.

Yep you answered my question.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

No cuts were made, come on man.

Cite the budgets for the entities you are concerned about and their budget cuts.

Start with the CDC. How much was the CDC budget cut? Just list a number.

Oh Lordy...I think we've covered this multiple times in other threads...but into the abyss we jump once more....

I'll forgo the Snopes article which has the final word on this and try another tack.
Trump administration budget cuts could become a major problem as coronavirus spreads

My man, what were the actual budget cuts and how did those actual cuts affect this situation?

 

[Norman]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

No cuts were made, come on man.

Cite the budgets for the entities you are concerned about and their budget cuts.

Start with the CDC. How much was the CDC budget cut? Just list a number.

Even if CDC was cut, so what? Again, their site has more references to diversity than the Corona. They need to let ALL communists and diversity hires go.

Diversity should appear nowhere in the agenda, only diseases. It is not the Communist Diversity Cult...

 

[ColonelAngus]

Berg, list your actions and dates if you were POTUS. Be specific.

Honestly, do you sincerely hope to bury the incompetence and inaction of this president with the "be specific" deflection that his supporters constantly invoke?
So I'll be specific, the warning flags and seriousness about implementing control of this virus should have started with Trump flying home from Davos on January 22nd and try to re-assemble the NSC response team that he had disbanded. Government agencies, Governors, business leaders should have all been on conference calls. Enabling the states to respond should have started right then. The action we didn't see until March 13th could have been rolling almost two month earlier.

But it was more important to campaign and shadow the Democrats running against him at his pep rallies than it was to do his job.

Here you go. A timeline for you.
'Not Concerned at All': A Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Dismissals

That specific enough for you?

Yes, I love it. Most posters are too bitch to post specifics.

Based on your response, we would have had less than 200 fatalities at this point?

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt it but the point is we would have been better prepared to handle the public health angle and perhaps mitigate economic impact. I'm not holding Trump responsible for the virus. Global travel and movement would make that almost impossible. But I will hold him responsible for the absolute disaster that the response has been and his dismantling and funding cuts to the very programs that could have helped.

No cuts were made, come on man.

Cite the budgets for the entities you are concerned about and their budget cuts.

Start with the CDC. How much was the CDC budget cut? Just list a number.

Even if CDC was cut, so what? Again, their site has more references to diversity than the Corona. They need to let ALL communists and diversity hires go.

Diversity should appear nowhere in the agenda, only diseases. It is not the Communist Diversity Cult...

There were no cuts. These people are just straight up lying.

Budget | Funding | CDC