A complete rejection of President Obama, his agenda, and his ideology

[Mustang]

I see that the post-election analyses have begun.

Unfortunately, we can count on a couple of things to happen.

For one, we can count on Democrats to claim that this is NOT a rejection of their policies, per se.

Secondly, we can count on Republicans to claim that it IS a rejection of those polices and/or that it's an electoral embrace of conservative ideas and their governing philosophy.

However, there IS another even more likely possibility which bodes poorly for the country as a whole and is an indictment on the current state of politics and governance in America. It's a combination of apathy and disillusionment with the political process as a whole, gridlock in general, and politics as usual.

Since the US has a notoriously generally apathetic electorate which culminates in an embarrassingly low turnout of only about 53% of eligible voters in years when it's a presidential election year and even far less in off year elections, AND the fact that so many people are not engaged or invested in the process because they think their vote has little meaning, AND the fact that large amounts of money from undisclosed sources have been allowed to flood the process, AND the fact that people in generally are mostly completely turned off by all the negative campaign ads, AND the fact that a small highly energized segment of the electorate dictates not only who the nominees of their party will be but can determine the outcome of a general election, this election may have considerably more to do with a general disengagement of a majority of eligible voters than any kind of ideological rejection or support for any particular party or their policies.

But I fully expect everybody to put their own self-serving spin on the outcome in an effort to burnish the credibility of whatever their governing philosophy may be. With that said, it's almost a certainty that the Republicans will overreach in the reading of the results which frankly is not supported by the simple fact that the midterm turnout is so low.

And when push comes to shove, the Republicans will probably pass bills that they KNOW the president will not sign, and the gridlock will continue for another two years, just like it has for the last two years.

So, like Jake, franco,and JoeB you think we should ONLY send him Bills he will sign..

Amazing.

I seriously question both the intentions and the wisdom of people who waste their time crafting bills they know won't be signed into law when they also know they don't have the votes to override a veto.

I seriously question the intentions of someone who says "Ok you won NOW you MUST only send the President Bills he agrees with."

That is silliness beyond belief.

The point is to find common ground that you can agree to and not waste everyone's time legislating a bill that will die on the vine after weeks or even months of working on it almost every day.

Obama and the Dems have made it clear for six years there is no common ground.

Nonsense. The republicans made it clear early on that they had no intention of compromising which is exactly the way that the base of the party said they wanted the GOP to approach the working relationship with the president.

In fact, one of the more inane comments I've heard over the last couple of years (if not longer) was that the Republicans had no intention of compromising with the president. Instead, the president had to compromise with Republicans. Well, of course that's a nonsensical statement because the nature of compromise is that both parties have to be willing to accept less than everything they they want in order to get some things that are the most important to them while also allowing the other side to achieve some of their primary goals. Otherwise, there's gridlock, and nothing gets done.

 

[francoHFW]

"O-Care is actually the Pub plan. Pub leadership refused to allow anyone to vote for it. The immigration bill and the jobs act ditto. Pub obstruction has been mindless, unanimous, and top down obstructionist for six years. The reaction to this election of hater dupes on the board is the usual misinformed party first, no plan, arrogant hateful idiocy as always. The divided greedy idiot GOP will screw this up too...

 

[francoHFW]

I see that the post-election analyses have begun.

Unfortunately, we can count on a couple of things to happen.

For one, we can count on Democrats to claim that this is NOT a rejection of their policies, per se.

Secondly, we can count on Republicans to claim that it IS a rejection of those polices and/or that it's an electoral embrace of conservative ideas and their governing philosophy.

However, there IS another even more likely possibility which bodes poorly for the country as a whole and is an indictment on the current state of politics and governance in America. It's a combination of apathy and disillusionment with the political process as a whole, gridlock in general, and politics as usual.

Since the US has a notoriously generally apathetic electorate which culminates in an embarrassingly low turnout of only about 53% of eligible voters in years when it's a presidential election year and even far less in off year elections, AND the fact that so many people are not engaged or invested in the process because they think their vote has little meaning, AND the fact that large amounts of money from undisclosed sources have been allowed to flood the process, AND the fact that people in generally are mostly completely turned off by all the negative campaign ads, AND the fact that a small highly energized segment of the electorate dictates not only who the nominees of their party will be but can determine the outcome of a general election, this election may have considerably more to do with a general disengagement of a majority of eligible voters than any kind of ideological rejection or support for any particular party or their policies.

But I fully expect everybody to put their own self-serving spin on the outcome in an effort to burnish the credibility of whatever their governing philosophy may be. With that said, it's almost a certainty that the Republicans will overreach in the reading of the results which frankly is not supported by the simple fact that the midterm turnout is so low.

And when push comes to shove, the Republicans will probably pass bills that they KNOW the president will not sign, and the gridlock will continue for another two years, just like it has for the last two years.

So, like Jake, franco,and JoeB you think we should ONLY send him Bills he will sign..

Amazing.

I seriously question both the intentions and the wisdom of people who waste their time crafting bills they know won't be signed into law when they also know they don't have the votes to override a veto.

I seriously question the intentions of someone who says "Ok you won NOW you MUST only send the President Bills he agrees with."

That is silliness beyond belief.

The point is to find common ground that you can agree to and not waste everyone's time legislating a bill that will die on the vine after weeks or even months of working on it almost every day.

I would agree but Obama has never sought any "common ground" he has simply told the Republican's

"I WON"

As reported by Rush, Sean, Glenn etc lol...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Complete rejection? Where do you guys get this nonsense from?

 

[Antares]

So, like Jake, franco,and JoeB you think we should ONLY send him Bills he will sign..

Amazing.

I seriously question both the intentions and the wisdom of people who waste their time crafting bills they know won't be signed into law when they also know they don't have the votes to override a veto.

I seriously question the intentions of someone who says "Ok you won NOW you MUST only send the President Bills he agrees with."

That is silliness beyond belief.

The point is to find common ground that you can agree to and not waste everyone's time legislating a bill that will die on the vine after weeks or even months of working on it almost every day.

I would agree but Obama has never sought any "common ground" he has simply told the Republican's

"I WON"

As reported by Rush, Sean, Glenn etc lol...

Poor franco.

 

[francoHFW]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

I see min wage rises were on the ballot in 5 states that went red, and passed in all 5. There's a big failure for people to get which party is for what lol. Pubs are certainly great at selling snake oil to the chumps. NOTHING NEW. Hail O-Care and our best in the world economy.

 

[Roadrunner]

So, like Jake, franco,and JoeB you think we should ONLY send him Bills he will sign..

Amazing.

I seriously question both the intentions and the wisdom of people who waste their time crafting bills they know won't be signed into law when they also know they don't have the votes to override a veto.

I seriously question the intentions of someone who says "Ok you won NOW you MUST only send the President Bills he agrees with."

That is silliness beyond belief.

The point is to find common ground that you can agree to and not waste everyone's time legislating a bill that will die on the vine after weeks or even months of working on it almost every day.

Obama and the Dems have made it clear for six years there is no common ground.

Nonsense. The republicans made it clear early on that they had no intention of compromising which is exactly the way that the base of the party said they wanted the GOP to approach the working relationship with the president.

In fact, one of the more inane comments I've heard over the last couple of years (if not longer) was that the Republicans had no intention of compromising with the president. Instead, the president had to compromise with Republicans. Well, of course that's a nonsensical statement because the nature of compromise is that both parties have to be willing to accept less than everything they they want in order to get some things that are the most important to them while also allowing the other side to achieve some of their primary goals. Otherwise, there's gridlock, and nothing gets done.

"Elections have consequences."- Hussein the First and Last

 

[francoHFW]

Our media absolutely suqs. No journalism, just a quest for ratings and controversy.

 

[Antares]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

LOL, what a lying piece of shit you are

You "expected" the ass kicking you just got.....lol

 

[francoHFW]

I seriously question both the intentions and the wisdom of people who waste their time crafting bills they know won't be signed into law when they also know they don't have the votes to override a veto.

I seriously question the intentions of someone who says "Ok you won NOW you MUST only send the President Bills he agrees with."

That is silliness beyond belief.

The point is to find common ground that you can agree to and not waste everyone's time legislating a bill that will die on the vine after weeks or even months of working on it almost every day.

Obama and the Dems have made it clear for six years there is no common ground.

Nonsense. The republicans made it clear early on that they had no intention of compromising which is exactly the way that the base of the party said they wanted the GOP to approach the working relationship with the president.

In fact, one of the more inane comments I've heard over the last couple of years (if not longer) was that the Republicans had no intention of compromising with the president. Instead, the president had to compromise with Republicans. Well, of course that's a nonsensical statement because the nature of compromise is that both parties have to be willing to accept less than everything they they want in order to get some things that are the most important to them while also allowing the other side to achieve some of their primary goals. Otherwise, there's gridlock, and nothing gets done.

"Elections have consequences."- Hussein the First and Last

No plan, no clue, no solutions, no knowledge, just hate and misinformation. Hail no drama Obama. lol

 

[tosacco]

Two years of Republicans pulling their puds is sure to get Hillary elected. The Dems have been planning on losing this election for a while now, they've already started strategizing the next one. Enjoy your two years in power, try to get something done while you're there.

 

[francoHFW]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

LOL, what a lying piece of shit you are

You "expected" the ass kicking you just got.....lol

52 seats in the Senate, Big fecking deal, dunce. lol

 

[Antares]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

LOL, what a lying piece of shit you are

You "expected" the ass kicking you just got.....lol

52 seats in the Senate, Big fecking deal, dunce. lol

7 Senate seats SO FAR
13 House Seats
A solid majority of Governorships

You and your king got your asses handed to you

 

[Pogo]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

LOL, what a lying piece of shit you are

You "expected" the ass kicking you just got.....lol

Of course it was expected. It happens every mid-term; the party in the White House loses seats in a mid-term; there have been three exceptions since these two parties have existed side by side. Three. Two of them happened to be Clinton and Bush II (which is why CNN would note more seats changed hands than during those administrations) and the third was 1934 -- FDR's first mid-term, when he was pulling the nation out of its greatest financial crisis.

That is, "you could look it up" if you were at all interested in historical patterns rather than facile election porn.

 

[francoHFW]

Loved the news conference. Optimistic Obama ready to work with Pubs whose readiness to work will last about 3 days into session I'm guessing lol...

 

[Antares]

I'm not worried- this was expected, and will only give the divided idiot GOP more chances to screw up. And in 2016 we'll kick your ass. O-Care will be a proven success, even to many hater dupes...

LOL, what a lying piece of shit you are

You "expected" the ass kicking you just got.....lol

Of course it was expected. It happens every mid-term; the party in the White House loses seats in a mid-term; there have been three exceptions since these two parties have existed side by side. Three. Two of them happened to be Clinton and Bush II (which is why CNN would note more seats changed hands than during those administrations) and the third was 1934 -- FDR's first mid-term, when he was pulling the nation out of its greatest financial crisis.

That is, "you could look it up" if you were at all interested in historical patterns rather than facile election porn.

(smile) Previously what were the most incumbents ever unseated in an Election.

You are free to be an idiot, but try and be at least an honest idiot.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Loved the news conference. Optimistic Obama ready to work with Pubs whose readiness to work will last about 3 days into session I'm guessing lol...

The American people want to hear that their votes matter, even though they don't.

 

[BluesLegend]

Obama is such a disaster people who would never vote Republican held their nosed and did so THAT's how bad its gotten.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Obama is such a disaster people who would never vote Republican held their nosed and did so THAT's how bad its gotten.

That same group voted against McCain and Romney after Bush. I wouldn't count on them too much.