What exactly is the current climate and how do we measure it? Do we measure it by legislation being passed by partisan state legislatures as “proof” of what the majority thinks or is it proof of the country’s deep divisions, gerrymandering and safe districts? I don’t know the answer so I will see if I can find some reputable polls.
you tell me. states are enacting laws to stop this and you say it's not happening enough to have TO create these laws. so what criteria are YOU using to measure it? "partisan state" is a copout answer because both sides are partisan to THEIR cause, refusing to give an inch to the other.
the rest we make up to justify that bit of stupidity.
again, you are the one who said disney was trying to normalize this. i replied to clarify and i never heard from you again. so, the onus is still on you to tell me how we don't have enough of this happening *to* enact legislation yet we do have enough *to* need to normalize it.
how did you measure that? my guess is how you happen to feel, not subjective numbers you give equal footing to. but that is my guess and i'm open to your answer.
I am very very selective, btw, in using the term “evil” btw. For example, I would use that term on Putin, but not people who are trying to change how we teach sexuality and gender in public schools. However there are areas where I disagree, strongly disagree or find just wrong. And one of those is when people start tarringthe entire public school teaching profession as (as one poster specifically stated) being infiltrared by pedos.
please cite the times you were against "tarring" the other side. it seems earlier this week you said YOU WHITE PEOPLE. how is that not doing the same thing you're upset about here?
until you practice what you preach, what you preach has very little value.
I think we can agree that tarring an entire group by the actions of a few, is wrong and potentially dangerous (and that applies to both left and right) - can’t we? Dangerous in this case, in that pedo is the most abhorrent crime possible to most of us and implying the teaching profession is infested with pedos is waving a red flag to the torch and pitchfork mobs.
Right now, according to such far-right illuminaries as Carlson, Ingraham and MTG, anyone who objects to this legislation is a “groomer” and/pedo. I can draw a parallel to something you might be more sympathetic to and that is Obama, when anyone who criticized his legislation was labeled “racist” regardless of the reason for that criticism.
they speak in extremes because you're trying to "normalize" these extremes. they speak out against it, the DOJ and Feds dive into local school districts and start pushing people around. did you not just demonize those concerned about these lessons?
we live in a time of hyperbole and extreme statements. people see black and white and ignore the billion shades of gray in between. to understand one side but fail to understand the other side will react in the same manner, only for a different set of beliefs, is setting yourself up for constant anger.
Hold on, let’s be clear about something. I said here and elsewhere, that when it comes to adult sports biological males should not be competing against biological females. It isn’t a reason of numbers, it is a reason of fairness and the whole reason women were separated from men in athletics. I suspect a lot of people feel that way without opposing rights for transgender people.
then what difference does it make if they pass laws to stop it? you don't want it happening anyway. again, i don't get your final desire of the topic when you play both sides at will.
i suspect they do. but its far easier to call them transphobes and hate them than to admit they have a point you just agreed to.
in terms of K12, however, it is a different picture because until puberty it really doesn’t matter does it? Even after…does it matter in all sports? What if they taking puberty blockers? I think here the public support for such laws is less clear.
who in their right mind would be taking puberty blockers in order to compete in sports? i am not going off on this goose chase with you.
Who decides if they are failing and by what criteria? We have a state law passed that automatically labels treatment for transgender dysmorphia as “child abuse” despite the fact it is the currently accepted protocol by the medical establishment. So does a politician then decide and not the parent in concert with tbe child and doctor? What is worse is the law also encourages peop,e to report on neighbors if they a child is being treated. And this is not surgery which is almost never done before 18.
"we have *A* state law... didn't you recently say we shouldn't tar an entire side for the actions of a few?
i think you did. deal with the state, not loop everyone into this one topic and pretend all feel this way.
If you know a child’s parents are abusive and might well harm the child if he came out as gay or transgender, would you be willing to take that risk, especially if you as a teacher or school counselor might be the only adult this child feels he can confide in? That doesn’t mean you are telling the child how behave, it means you are offering the appropriate level of support to a child and that can cone from a “far right” teacher just as easily as it can a “far left” teacher. Why is there this assumption that a teacher can’t set aside political ideologies and deal compassionately and responsibly with child in front of him?
how do you know? and because a limited set of people may react that way, we must treat it as a widespread problem.
hmmmm...back to the action of a few not being fair to apply to all.
unless of course it suits your argument. that duality really needs to end.
and if teachers would set it aside and listen to the parents, this wouldn't be an issue. where that is happening, it isn't an issue. where it IS an issue is where people make it one because the other side refuses to listen. but again, i have the DOJ and FBI calling concerned parents "terrorists". what reaction would you expect to have?
The age I am quoting is not abnormal, it is one end of the range for NORMAL puberty to begin. Abnormal onset is below that age or over 14. If I understand you correctly, you are asking why we don’t hold off until later. Perhaps one reason is if you wait until 14, then kids are already figuring things out for themselves and it may not be accurate or what you want. It also leaves some kids floundering, not understanding what is happening to them, not sure how they feel, wondering if they are abnormal etc. Of course it would great if the parents handled it all but too many can’t or won’t, and result can be STD’s, teen pregnancies etc which we all pay for.
the age im quoting is not abnormal either. just the other end of the spectrum. my question is, why do you push one instance as more important and needs to be dealt with over the other? you cite one extreme, i simply play devils advocate and cite the other and want to know why you're concerned about 1 persons mental health but not how a late bloomer may be ridiculed just as much for what they are going through.
and because parents are not doing it as you would doesn't mean they are not handling it. that's a pretty arrogant statement to imply only your methods are acceptable ways to handle this.
As long as it isn’t sexually explicit and inappropriate for the age, why not? How is it any different than bringing in a guest from any of a number of groups of people? All this is doing is telling kids that these people are part of our community as well.
Transgenders are hardly a societal secret anymore, so it could go either way. Kids are observant and curious….”Mommy, why is that lady so fat”…etc.
As far as introducing it…again, as long as it is age appropriate, so what?
But that child is part of the rest…not isolated from the rest.
that is up to the community to decide as a whole. not one segment who feels they are fighting for the rights of people who happen to share a similar mindset. the fact the teachers have to "sneak" around to do this and you're over there justifying it with mythical reasons speaks to why parents are tired of it and fighting back.
why tucker and others are calling it extreme verbiage. to them, it is regardless of how it is to you. if you want your viewpoints respected, the easiest way to accomplish that is to respect theirs.
that doesn't mean agree nor condone; but respect just the same.
i've yet to see either "extreme" side willing to do that. that's what extremes do.
and you're advocating "normalizing" these "extremes" and wondering why there is varied and constant push back.
