911 WTC Demolition! The Final Nail in the Debunker/Posers Coffin!

[Hollie]

How many NASA Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
are there in the U.S...

Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng– Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.

• Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
  "The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." http://www.ae911truth.org

 

[daws101]

Which agencies were on site supervising the sifting of debris? What were they looking for? What did they find?

NIST did not test for the residue of explosives in the steel.

Did they sift debris for remains?
What else were they looking for?
What else did they find?

How did they know it was a " pressure cooker" bomb following the Boston bombing?

Was there ANY suggestion that evidence was found of hundreds of charges being set deliberately while sifting the ground zero debris?

right they never found the black boxes but the found the hijackers passport the following day and you actually buy that ?

bullshit
The Black Boxes
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• 1 Black boxes not indestructible
• 2 DeMasi and Bellone
• 3 Dan Rather

In our experience, discussion on the "black boxes" of the 9/11 flights tends to fall into one of two areas.

The first, most commonly found on forums and message boards, tends to be a comment along the lines of this article:

The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport: All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers' passports supposedly survived fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/WTC_BlackBox.html

In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

How could even three black boxes be destroyed? These were exceptional crashes: most impacts will be at far lower speeds as the pilot attempts to limit damage, not into a mass of steel columns, and not ending inside a building where they'll be exposed to fire and without (potentially, in the case of the WTC) enormous crush damage from many floors of a building falling onto them.

The potential end result of this trauma was revealed in a photo of the American Airlines Flight 77 cockpit voice recorder, released at the Moussaoui trial.

the black boxes where never found but the terrorist passport was found the next day.. stick with the facts

fact: In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

you are talking out your ass.

 

[daws101]

Yeh here we are again. Its just not enough that those posing as debunkers had to take the big red white and blue where the sun does not shine in my last thread, now a 30 year New York City Veteran Fire Marshal who worked on the site, not some dim witted keyboard punching pantomime debunker/poser, but a "First Hand Witness" who is well recognized as an expert whose words stand up in any court of law as gospel, tells the world the TRUTH about what really happened on that day, and proves that the posers are ******* amoeba brained retards spewing their retardation and propaganda all across the boards.

So without any further ado Rudy Dent 30 Years NYC Fire Marshal Veteran

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

you mean the debunked trash that trufers like.

i think i'll pick my eyewitnesses....

peer reviewed papers...debwunked by who..when..where ?..why are you pretending these scholars say there was no plane ?..why the strawman ?

Peer review
Peer review is the evaluation of work by one or more people of similar competence to the producers of the work. It constitutes a form of self-regulation by qualified members of a profession within the relevant field. Peer review methods are employed to maintain standards of quality, improve performance, and provide credibility. In academia peer review is often used to determine an academic paper's suitability for publication. Peer review can be categorized by the type of activity and by the field or profession in which the activity occurs, e.g., medical peer review.
also peer review to be legitimate must be done by an objective nonbiased party no of the twoofers papers or articles can claim that.
again you lose.

 

[Hollie]

At Least 7 of the 9 11 Hijackers are Still Alive

At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alived

 

[Hollie]

Yeh here we are again. Its just not enough that those posing as debunkers had to take the big red white and blue where the sun does not shine in my last thread, now a 30 year New York City Veteran Fire Marshal who worked on the site, not some dim witted keyboard punching pantomime debunker/poser, but a "First Hand Witness" who is well recognized as an expert whose words stand up in any court of law as gospel, tells the world the TRUTH about what really happened on that day, and proves that the posers are ******* amoeba brained retards spewing their retardation and propaganda all across the boards.

So without any further ado Rudy Dent 30 Years NYC Fire Marshal Veteran

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

 

[daws101]

Yeh here we are again. Its just not enough that those posing as debunkers had to take the big red white and blue where the sun does not shine in my last thread, now a 30 year New York City Veteran Fire Marshal who worked on the site, not some dim witted keyboard punching pantomime debunker/poser, but a "First Hand Witness" who is well recognized as an expert whose words stand up in any court of law as gospel, tells the world the TRUTH about what really happened on that day, and proves that the posers are ******* amoeba brained retards spewing their retardation and propaganda all across the boards.

So without any further ado Rudy Dent 30 Years NYC Fire Marshal Veteran

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

false.

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).
Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Bouldercorotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/who/stafflists/academicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiadjis_George/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

 

[eots]

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

 

[eots]

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

false.

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).
Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Bouldercorotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/who/stafflists/academicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiadjis_George/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

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wow thats some list...

 

[KokomoJojo]

Yeh here we are again. Its just not enough that those posing as debunkers had to take the big red white and blue where the sun does not shine in my last thread, now a 30 year New York City Veteran Fire Marshal who worked on the site, not some dim witted keyboard punching pantomime debunker/poser, but a "First Hand Witness" who is well recognized as an expert whose words stand up in any court of law as gospel, tells the world the TRUTH about what really happened on that day, and proves that the posers are ******* amoeba brained retards spewing their retardation and propaganda all across the boards.

So without any further ado Rudy Dent 30 Years NYC Fire Marshal Veteran

Fire marshals often carry a weapon, wear a badge, wear a uniform or plain clothes, and make arrests pertaining to arson and related offenses

Jeezus, I am so relieved that 2 planes didn't hit the buildings! David Copperfield should have been paid a billion dollars for creating that illusion. One thing is strange to me about the explosions though. Has anyone ever been able to find out how many boilers and water heaters were inside those buildings? I thought not. When a boiler or water heater explodes from the heat, they sound like 1000 pound bombs going off. Try it sometime.

thats the wrong DC.

The gubmint and their pals are getting paid trillions for that illusion and you are helping pay for it.

ah yeh boilers everywhere! Hundreds of boilers on every floor.

Good theory!

 

[eots]

NIST did not test for the residue of explosives in the steel.

Did they sift debris for remains?
What else were they looking for?
What else did they find?

How did they know it was a " pressure cooker" bomb following the Boston bombing?

Was there ANY suggestion that evidence was found of hundreds of charges being set deliberately while sifting the ground zero debris?

right they never found the black boxes but the found the hijackers passport the following day and you actually buy that ?

bullshit
The Black Boxes
From 911myths

Jump to: navigation, search
Contents
[hide]

• 1 Black boxes not indestructible
• 2 DeMasi and Bellone
• 3 Dan Rather

In our experience, discussion on the "black boxes" of the 9/11 flights tends to fall into one of two areas.

The first, most commonly found on forums and message boards, tends to be a comment along the lines of this article:

The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport: All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers' passports supposedly survived fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/WTC_BlackBox.html

In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

How could even three black boxes be destroyed? These were exceptional crashes: most impacts will be at far lower speeds as the pilot attempts to limit damage, not into a mass of steel columns, and not ending inside a building where they'll be exposed to fire and without (potentially, in the case of the WTC) enormous crush damage from many floors of a building falling onto them.

The potential end result of this trauma was revealed in a photo of the American Airlines Flight 77 cockpit voice recorder, released at the Moussaoui trial.

the black boxes where never found but the terrorist passport was found the next day.. stick with the facts

fact: In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

you are talking out your ass.

the thread is discussing wtc..focus

 

[Hollie]

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

You made the assumption that others are under some obligation to acknowledge your conspiracy theories.

 

[daws101]

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

false ... it means it goes without saying that they support nist's findings.
the assumption as always is yours just like your "theory" is all assumption.

 

[daws101]

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

false.

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).
Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Bouldercorotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/who/stafflists/academicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiadjis_George/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

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Letter to the Editor Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006

Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/09/443801bdadd6e

[Dr. Firmage uses unfortunate language in his letter.

"To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing."

I give that quote about one month before it's taken out of context...]



"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." - A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering http://www.et.byu.edu/ce/people/people.php?person=1&page=miller/vita.php

 

[daws101]

Did they sift debris for remains?
What else were they looking for?
What else did they find?

How did they know it was a " pressure cooker" bomb following the Boston bombing?

Was there ANY suggestion that evidence was found of hundreds of charges being set deliberately while sifting the ground zero debris?

right they never found the black boxes but the found the hijackers passport the following day and you actually buy that ?

bullshit
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• 1 Black boxes not indestructible
• 2 DeMasi and Bellone
• 3 Dan Rather

In our experience, discussion on the "black boxes" of the 9/11 flights tends to fall into one of two areas.

The first, most commonly found on forums and message boards, tends to be a comment along the lines of this article:

The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport: All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers' passports supposedly survived fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/WTC_BlackBox.html

In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

How could even three black boxes be destroyed? These were exceptional crashes: most impacts will be at far lower speeds as the pilot attempts to limit damage, not into a mass of steel columns, and not ending inside a building where they'll be exposed to fire and without (potentially, in the case of the WTC) enormous crush damage from many floors of a building falling onto them.

The potential end result of this trauma was revealed in a photo of the American Airlines Flight 77 cockpit voice recorder, released at the Moussaoui trial.

the black boxes where never found but the terrorist passport was found the next day.. stick with the facts

fact: In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below).

you are talking out your ass.

the thread is discussing wtc..focus

dodge! it's you who brought up the not missing black boxes I as always just proved you are talking out your ass.
for you to say stay focused with all the non wtc related bullshit is hilarious.

 

[Hollie]

you mean the planes didn't fly over my friend's apartment and the engine of one of the planes land outside the subway station another friend was getting out of?

lmao.

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

Even as desperate and as silly as your other conspiracies go, this one has you grasping at every desperate measure.

No one is under any obligation to affirmatively deny every conspiracy theory dreamed up by loons such as yourself.

Are you suggesting that every individual who has not issued a statement rejecting the claims of you loons proposing space alien contact with earth thus believes that?

Really, Mr. Conspiracy Theory Loon. You're a laughable joke.

 

[eots]

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

You made the assumption that others are under some obligation to acknowledge your conspiracy theories.

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[daws101]

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

You made the assumption that others are under some obligation to acknowledge your conspiracy theories.

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lol...this is where your link went

post the link or stfu.

 

[eots]

I have no Idea about your friend but the over 2000 architects and engineers have nothing to do with your strawman argument

The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Approximately 70 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of lettersare available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than seven years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

false.

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).
Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Bouldercorotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/who/stafflists/academicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiadjis_George/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

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you did not look.
Letter to the Editor Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006

Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/09/443801bdadd6e

[Dr. Firmage uses unfortunate language in his letter.

"To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing."

I give that quote about one month before it's taken out of context...]



"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." - A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering http://www.et.byu.edu/ce/people/people.php?person=1&page=miller/vita.php

the other link goes to byu but just a home page
this letter must be very old, Professor Jones taught at byu and was fired just post 9/11 for this paper I notice the letters says the need for peer review which has occurred since then..but as your link does not go there we can not see the date

 

[eots]

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

You now need a hierarchy of conspiracy theories to support those conspiracy theories subordinate to preceding conspiracy theories.

According to idEOTS, those architects who do not provide written statements in support of the NIST report are actually in disagreement with the report.

They call people like you conspiracy theory loons for a reason.

you made the assumption of support..it takes more to put your name and reputation behind
a controversial assertion than saying nothing or indifference

You made the assumption that others are under some obligation to acknowledge your conspiracy theories.

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[daws101]

How many architects are there in the U.S.?

233,000.

2000 is 0.858369099% of 233 000
game over.

how many of those have publicly voiced support for the NIST report...0

false.

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).
Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Bouldercorotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/who/stafflists/academicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiadjis_George/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

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Letter to the Editor Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006

Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/09/443801bdadd6e

[Dr. Firmage uses unfortunate language in his letter.

"To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing."

I give that quote about one month before it's taken out of context...]



"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." - A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering http://www.et.byu.edu/ce/people/people.php?person=1&page=miller/vita.php

the other link goes to byu but just a home page
this letter must be very old, Professor Jones taught at byu and was fired just post 9/11 for this paper I notice the letters says the need for peer review which has occurred since then..but as your link does not go there we can not see the date

irrelevant. the peer review you yammer about has not been done
who's we.