9.2 Million more unemployed.

[Two Thumbs]

11/4/12 UE= 22.7 Million
11/4/08 UE= 13.5 Million
U.S. National Debt Clock 2008

props for decker for getting me to go back to one of my fav websites.

I told him 5 million more were jobless under obama. Turn out I thought to highly of that buffoon.

Yall really want 4 more years of this?


And before you blather on about 'created jobs', face the fact that more people are jobless and that that excuse is utter horse shit.

 

[Two Thumbs]

deckers thread

http://www.usmessageboard.com/election-forums/259702-pa-worries-me.html

 

[California Girl]

For every one 'job' created, 75 people were added to food stamps.

This is just not acceptable.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

 

[Two Thumbs]

For every one 'job' created, 75 people were added to food stamps.

This is just not acceptable.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

holy shit

Do you have a link that shows that math?




sorry, it's late at night to me

 

[Freewill]

For every one 'job' created, 75 people were added to food stamps.

This is just not acceptable.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

holy shit

Do you have a link that shows that math?




sorry, it's late at night to me

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

2009 818 -724 -799 -692 -361 -482 -339 -231 -199 -202 -42 -171 -3424
2010 -40 -35 189 239 516 -167 -58 -51 -27 220 121 120 1027
2011 110 220 246 251 54 84 96 85 202 112 157 223 1840
2012 275 259 143 68 87 45 181 192 148 171 170 170 1909
Total 1352

Food Stamps Charts

In the four year of Obama it can be seen that the indiviual use of food stamps has increased approximately 13.7 million. Considering that the unemployment rate has effectively not changed, as promised, in the four years of Obama then he actually has created NO jobs.

But using the numbers above only on jobs created was about 1.352 million. 13.7/1.352=10 approximately, the last four months were a guess for 2012. So the claim was a bit inflated but certainly the reality is not much better.

Vote your job, vote your country, vote Romney.

 

[Two Thumbs]

For every one 'job' created, 75 people were added to food stamps.

This is just not acceptable.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

holy shit

Do you have a link that shows that math?




sorry, it's late at night to me

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

2009 818 -724 -799 -692 -361 -482 -339 -231 -199 -202 -42 -171 -3424
2010 -40 -35 189 239 516 -167 -58 -51 -27 220 121 120 1027
2011 110 220 246 251 54 84 96 85 202 112 157 223 1840
2012 275 259 143 68 87 45 181 192 148 171 170 170 1909
Total 1352

Food Stamps Charts

In the four year of Obama it can be seen that the indiviual use of food stamps has increased approximately 13.7 million. Considering that the unemployment rate has effectively not changed, as promised, in the four years of Obama then he actually has created NO jobs.

But using the numbers above only on jobs created was about 1.352 million. 13.7/1.352=10 approximately, the last four months were a guess for 2012. So the claim was a bit inflated but certainly the reality is not much better.

Vote your job, vote your country, vote Romney.

I hate to repeat myself.

but

Holy Shit


Wonder what the spin is?

 

[pinqy]

11/4/12 UE= 22.7 Million
11/4/08 UE= 13.5 Million
U.S. National Debt Clock 2008

Those numbers are not reliable. First their "real unemployment" is not just unemployed..they're adding in the Marginally Attached (people not trying to work but likely to start looking) and people working part time for economic reasons, meaning they're counting people working up to 34 hours/week as 'Unemployed," because they want to work more hours.

And they have the data wrong. First, when comparing the same month in different years, it's more accurate to look at the not seasonally adjusted data (especially since marginally attached is not seasonally adjusted).
So... going to the Historical Data we pick Table A-1, select Unemployed not seasonally adjusted and the number of unemployed was 9,469,000
For Oct 2012 it was 11,741,000 a change of 2,272,000

Your link claims they're using the U6 denominator, so we'll go to Table A-8, not seasonally adjusted part time for economic reasons and get 6,267,000 for 2008 and 7,870,000 for 2012. Huh, that's funny...they were claiming a total of only 13.5 million but our total so far is 15,736,000 for 2008 and we're not done yet.

Next is Table A-16 where we add in Marginally Attached which was 1,637,000 in 2008 and 2,433,000 in 2012. Final count is 2008 = 17,373,000 for 2008 and 22,044,000 in 2012

Breaking it down again, that's an increase of 2,272,000 Unemployed, increase of 1,603,000 people working part time due to cut hours or couldn't find full time work, and an increase of 796,000 people who looked for work sometime in the last year but aren't looking now though they now could work if offered.

Things are bad enough, I don't get why people have to distort things to make them look worse. (I'm assuming you're being honest and the bogus numbers at your link just deceived you.) Go to the source, don't trust blogs or political sites.

 

[G.T.]

The recession itself didn't stop bleeding jobs until into 2009, so there's that disengenuousness to begin with.

 

[Two Thumbs]

11/4/12 UE= 22.7 Million
11/4/08 UE= 13.5 Million
U.S. National Debt Clock 2008

Those numbers are not reliable. First their "real unemployment" is not just unemployed..they're adding in the Marginally Attached (people not trying to work but likely to start looking) and people working part time for economic reasons, meaning they're counting people working up to 34 hours/week as 'Unemployed," because they want to work more hours.

And they have the data wrong. First, when comparing the same month in different years, it's more accurate to look at the not seasonally adjusted data (especially since marginally attached is not seasonally adjusted).
So... going to the Historical Data we pick Table A-1, select Unemployed not seasonally adjusted and the number of unemployed was 9,469,000
For Oct 2012 it was 11,741,000 a change of 2,272,000

Your link claims they're using the U6 denominator, so we'll go to Table A-8, not seasonally adjusted part time for economic reasons and get 6,267,000 for 2008 and 7,870,000 for 2012. Huh, that's funny...they were claiming a total of only 13.5 million but our total so far is 15,736,000 for 2008 and we're not done yet.

Next is Table A-16 where we add in Marginally Attached which was 1,637,000 in 2008 and 2,433,000 in 2012. Final count is 2008 = 17,373,000 for 2008 and 22,044,000 in 2012

Breaking it down again, that's an increase of 2,272,000 Unemployed, increase of 1,603,000 people working part time due to cut hours or couldn't find full time work, and an increase of 796,000 people who looked for work sometime in the last year but aren't looking now though they now could work if offered.

Things are bad enough, I don't get why people have to distort things to make them look worse. (I'm assuming you're being honest and the bogus numbers at your link just deceived you.) Go to the source, don't trust blogs or political sites.

It's not a blog or a political site.

Source; Bureau of labor statistics.

Sorry to inform you of these undeniable facts, but obama sucks ass and he's fucked Americans over for 4 years.

I don't expect librals to care, I just want them to know how much I know they suck.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The recession itself didn't stop bleeding jobs until into 2009, so there's that disengenuousness to begin with.

translation;

lalalalaICantHearYoulalalalala

 

[G.T.]

The recession itself didn't stop bleeding jobs until into 2009, so there's that disengenuousness to begin with.

translation;

lalalalaICantHearYoulalalalala

No, thats what you just said to pinqys post, who cogently informed you that your debt clock site misrepresented the facts in a shady way, and you bit it.

 

[Conservative]

For every one 'job' created, 75 people were added to food stamps.

This is just not acceptable.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

But.. but.. Pelosi said that the more people on food stamps, the better it was for the economy!

 

[Two Thumbs]

The recession itself didn't stop bleeding jobs until into 2009, so there's that disengenuousness to begin with.

translation;

lalalalaICantHearYoulalalalala

No, thats what you just said to pinqys post, who cogently informed you that your debt clock site misrepresented the facts in a shady way, and you bit it.

my sites source is the government, not twisted numbers from another gov site that peals crap apart to make it look better than it really is.

sorry, all my site does it the numbers.

 

[G.T.]

translation;

lalalalaICantHearYoulalalalala

No, thats what you just said to pinqys post, who cogently informed you that your debt clock site misrepresented the facts in a shady way, and you bit it.

my sites source is the government, not twisted numbers from another gov site that peals crap apart to make it look better than it really is.

sorry, all my site does it the numbers.

You just told everyone that you don't comprehend his post. The only one who doesn't know it, is you.

 

[pinqy]

translation;

lalalalaICantHearYoulalalalala

No, thats what you just said to pinqys post, who cogently informed you that your debt clock site misrepresented the facts in a shady way, and you bit it.

my sites source is the government, not twisted numbers from another gov site

sorry, all my site does it the numbers.

Wait, so your link says its source is BLS, but when you actually go to the BLS database, their numbers are different. And your preference is for the secondary source not the actual one????

They say BLS says one thing, BLS actually says something else, and you're going with the claim, and not the original source?????

 

[Two Thumbs]

ok, lets pretend my site is totally fucked.

how is it that with all the jobs obama created (in the millions) that UE stayed over 8% until just in time for the election?

You seriously going with "It's just a coincidence"?

and just so you understand

13+ million under Bush is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Billo_Really]

ok, lets pretend my site is totally fucked.

how is it that with all the jobs obama created (in the millions) that UE stayed over 8% until just in time for the election?

You seriously going with "It's just a coincidence"?

and just so you understand

13+ million under Bush is nothing to be proud of.

Fuck Bush (as a President), I kind of like him now!

 

[pinqy]

ok, lets pretend my site is totally fucked.

how is it that with all the jobs obama created (in the millions) that UE stayed over 8% until just in time for the election?

Because Obama is basing his claims of "jobs created" with February 2010 as the starting point. Things were much lower at that point than in 2008.

October2008, your starting point, the UE rate was at 6.8%. Up to 7.2% in November, up to 7.8% in January when Obama took office. It continued to go up until October 2009 where it reached its peak of 10%. It stayed around there at 9.9 or 9.8 for about 6 months and then slowly started going down, sometimes going back up.

You seriously going with "It's just a coincidence"?

It's the result of a long term trend. It's not like there was any sudden drop from over 9%. September was a big drop, but that might have been a little off and went back up for October. I expect an upward revision to the September rate when the seasonal adjustment corrections for 2012 are made in the January 2013 release.