Only an ignorant fool like you would be so stupid as to pretend that the only part of the collapse that matters or is relevant is the part you can see.
I'm not saying that asshole.
Sure you are. You want everyone to ignore everything but what you want to focus on; i.e. the supposed non-deformation of ONLY THE WALLS, but not the whole building.
You want people to ignore the fact the building came straight down with no obvious deformations in the main structure, after "burning" for 8 hours.
Column 79...the weak link to the whole thing according to NIST, then the sudden onset of collapse. It is not feasible to assume that all this destruction was taking place in such a rapid order inside, to cause this straight down collapse, without a clue, and remove enough material to cause the 2.25 secs of free fall, all at once, without seriously looking into other causes, which they didn't.
Wrong again, Fucktard Jones. I look at the ENTIRETY of the event, not just the pieces you want to focus on. You claim that because you didn't see any deformations that there couldn't have been an internal collapse.
If you honestly did look at the entire event like you say, then you would have to be amazed at the ridiculous explanation NIST gives, and how highly improbable it would be, without some other cause, other then sporadic fires, and crazy scenarios.
You only look at what they present, because that is what you are locked into focus on.
Look closer, specifically at the 10 second mark.
YouTube - ‪WTC 7 Explosion‬‏
See all the windows on the left hand side being blown out BEFORE the collapse and coinciding with the collapse of the Penthouse? It shows there was indeed a vertical collapse running up the side of the building just prior to the total collapse.
Looks like a building being demolished by means other then sporadic fires on certain floors. A building that enough material was removed to cause 2.25 secs. of free fall, that NIST didn't want to admit to, because of their prior statement, that basically said "no free fall occurred because resistance would have had to be removed if that was the case, and we didn't see that" or in so many words.
What the FUCK does that have to do with how much weight the supports can hold up? In order for a building to tip over, the supports on that side of the building MUST support the entire weight of the building until the center of gravity of the building moves outside the footprint of the building or the building has no alternative but to collapse straight down.
Huh? Why are you mentioning the weight?? I didn't, I simply said sporadic damage should not have caused symmetrical and global collapse? Do you not know about the ability of steel to dissapate heat and the implications it has on the collapse explanation? I guess not.
Who says the fires had to be in the same parts of the building at the same fucking time? Oh yeah. Ignorant fucks like you who pretend that is the only way a collapse can happen!
Again you show what a dumbass you are and that you are the ignorant one here! In order for the building to come down as it did, almost perfect symmetry - and experience the 100ft. free fall in 2.25 sec., resistance in the form of material has to be removed, at strategic points at the same time, other wise a building will come down in a staggered fashion.
You're too ignorant to think this through and quick to ignore this fact. The parts that give way are not going to be the same thermal temps, because of steels ability to dissipate heat asshole! Remember these fires were not on all the floors, or on all the load bearing points at the same time!
Even more insane then to offer that as an explanation is that these temps would have to be the same or nearly the same at the same time to cause such a symmetrical collapse! What the fuck, can't you understand what the hell you read ?? You are intentionally making shit up again, so you don't have to address the point made. It's a common tactic you employ.
Yes, I get that you are an ignorant fuck. You prove that time and time again. Take this bullshit claim, for instance. You pretend that the only time steel deforms is when it is heating up.
Here we have another case in point where this fucking troll, insists I said something I didn't so he can knock it down with ease. I challenge you right now you lying son of a bitch to quote exactly where I said this? Or even implied this?
Now you are caught red handed again introducing another made up statement you said I made. Your lies never cease!
No one can have a straight forward debate with a lying POS like you no matter how hard we try.
This is NOT true. The steel has two chances to deform; when heating up and when cooling down. This is a known fact. Temperature differences as low as 300 degrees from one side to another on a steel beam can cause significant warping either during or after the fire as the steel cools.
Again You are answering your own made up argument asshole. You constantly make shit up that people did not say so you can explain it away and look smart, but you are a lying troll, again produce where I said this or implied it.
And remember, it is only your lameassed theory that says everything had to fail at once. According to the NIST theory, only column 79 had to collapse to initiate a global collapse.
And you don't even question the impossibility of this BS explanation, you are a fucking moron that believes the most outrageous BS NIST tell you,
Wow so a CD company would have saved shitloads of overhead imploding this building?
So why do you insist on ignoring the penthouse collapsing? Whether or not the external facade deforms is immaterial as you can not prove it SHOULD have deformed. That would only be your opinion and we all know how worthless that is. So what you are asking to do is accept your OPINION as evidence when it should be treated like the bullshit it is.
I do not ignore the penthouse, how could anybody? The point is that it is too improbable to believe NIST, when they say all this collapsing was going on while not a hint on the outside to make anyone suspect it was going on.
Do you say that all these columns and beams and material gave was sooo fast as to cause the 2.25 secs. of free fall?
Then why do you insist on ignoring it and ONLY focusing on the deformation of the outside walls? What explanation do you have other than an internal collapse to explain why the penthouse disappeared into the building? YOU claim an internal collapse could not have been happening, yet you ignore the evidence of that very thing happening.
I believe the collapse was caused by something other then sporadic fires like many people do. I looked at it, read the NIST explanation, and take their track record of lying into account too. But most importantly I take into consideration how huge 7 was, how fortified it was, how it wasn't hit by a plane, how only sporadic fires of unknown origin were in it. What the 2 people inside of it said after they were rescued.
See those things make a reasonable person look at it from all angles, not just from the side that took years to explain it, all the while side stepping other known facts and witnesses, how their computer simulation is way the fuck off and they wont let anybody test their theory with it.
So name the facts they twisted to fit their theory?
There are many that I will gladly post, shortly, that credible people in positions that are relevant to the topic have produced.
Their theory explains the penthouse and the windows blowing out and the kink and the freefall acceleration for 2.25 seconds and how the collapse could have started from a single point of failure. THEIR theory fits ALL the facts. Your theory only fits your opinions and ASSumptions of what happened.
Their version fits the way they needed it to fit, or are you really that naive or such a staunch brown nosing brain washed ignorant fool?
Which point would that be? That I can admit my mistakes and am willing to alter my beliefs to fit the evidence but you'll go down in a flaming pile of shit before admitting a mistake? That point is blazingly clear.
Look You have been caught lying and twisting what people post and I even caught you making up more BS as I stated above, your credibility is shit. No one can have a decent debate with you because the first thing out of your mouth is a disparaging remark and name calling like some internet troll bully
You are the worst of the worst. Now I have challenged to to produce a post of mine that says or implies what you said above.
Sure I do. It is just that, unlike a piece of shit tratiorous dog like you, I demand evidence before I start accusing people.
Sure you do, asswipe, even when we post what experts and credible folks say in rebuttal to NIST you wave it away with a few insults, and highly unnecessary remarks and comments. You must have gotten the shit beat out of you as a kid, among other personal hangups that make you act this way.
You do it based on opinion and ASSumptions that are all based on lies and bullshit. So which is more responsible? Basing one's belief on the evidence or basing one's beliefs on ones assumptions that IGNORE the evidence?
You're an idiot to knowingly except the NIST version with the many defects and highly unlikely ASSumptions, that many credible trustworthy people have gone on record to prove as such, with facts. Now why do you think so many of these people have come forward and risk all the ridicule and slander, and worse, their very lives? Because they want to make money selling some books or videos? If you think that you are a very delusional person with serious mental hangups, but you already have proved this to be the case.
Yet there is only one truth. We can't both be right. Therefore one of us is dead wrong. Let's see.... I have all the evidence..... you have dick.
And just how do you know you have all the evidence? Do you have solid proof, any of the steel laying around you tested? No you have the ASSumptions of a government agency/authority that has every reason to lie to save their own asses, and jobs. You have a highly dubious theory that when put under scrutiny doesn't hold up, that is why they are too scared to let any real scientists, and physicists test their computer model.
I look at all the facts. You ignore everything that doesn't fit your theory. I rely on authorities trusted world wide to be right. You rely on people who rely on fucking idiots like you for their living or people as delusional as you are or worse. Gee. This isn't hard to figure out.
Again the reasons are in the above post, but I will add that your blind faith in the authorities is why you are so gullible. It is these authorities that have shit all over the nation and its citizens.
Wrong yet again you lying piece of shit! The NIST has NOTHING to do with being a mouth piece for the government. They don't set policy. They don't confirm or deny who was responsible for 9/11. All they do is report what happened to the best of their ability and using every resource they have.
So NIST was under no pressure to produce results beneficial to the government huh?
You are really thinking that we should believe you on this huh?
NIST is an agency of the
U.S. Department of Commerce you bumbling SOB. They don't have to set policy, you stupid government dupe cocksucker.
Hundreds of engineers from numerous agencies and societies worked on the NIST reports. The reports have been examined world wide because other governments set codes based on NIST recommendations and engineers use NIST recommendations to build safer buildings. It's not about politics but about safety with them. Yes, we realize you fucktards think anything and everything dealing with the government all has some evil borg like mentality, but the truth brands you all seriously deranged.
The NIST REPORT IS FLAWED, and they had motive to produce a favorable story for the people they work for, the US government. You can take all that shit and shove it up your ass, along with your phony patriot screen name and act.
Real Patriotic thinking Americans don't buy this load of shit once they take the time to research it.
The only way it can be wrong is if evidence is presented that the facts the NIST was working on were wrong or that there is an aspect they did not take into account. You have yet to produce one iota of evidence that is real and not some jackass's opinion.
I will be glad to post links of the many people and independant agencies that have evidence and facts that seriously puts a lot of doubt on the NIST theory. Remember NIST has only ASSumptions, guesses, and their super duper secret computer program, to fall on, so quit making their version out to be anything more then that.
But then you lick the ass of the government and anybody whose in it, so its no surprise you worship what ever they say
Can't. Nobody has presented evidence they are materially wrong in their assessment. I sure as hell haven't seen any real evidence out of you. I said the possibility exists, not that I know of a flaw in their theory. You should learn how to read better. You keep embarassing yourself by fucking up.
You have been presented evidence that suggest NIST is wrong, there are many people who have way more experience in thee field then you or I, or anybody on here for that matter.
To say a massive campaign with facts and evidence to back them up does not exist shows what a lying fuck you are yet again
Just because it doesn't agree with you dos not mean it is not true, or viable.
After all they are better people then a sorry ass internet troll like you.
Mr. Jones said:
You instead talk out both sides of your disgusting mouth, saying we don't know the truth, and NIST could be wrong but they are STILL right according to their questionable facts!!
Mr. Jones said:
You never cease to amaze at your capacity to lie, distort, and con volute, and be the most hypocritical troll in existence.
More meaningless bullshit from you.
You're just pissed off because you've been beaten yet again. Maybe when you grow up you can play with the big dogs. In the mean time, you're still just kitty litter; smelly, foul, and used to shit on.
Look you have never beaten me or probably anybody at anything other then being a social misfit that gets his kicks from making a complete fool of himself. Anybody can see what a sorry person you must be in real life when analyzing your ridiculous BS on these forums.
