Humanity
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Congratulations...
So, you join Roodboy in the stupid group....
America is NOT at war with Hamas as you both suggested...
And yes, ISIS did declare war on Hamas AND the Muslim Brotherhood...
8 U.S. Code § 959 - Enlistment in foreign service
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Congratulations...
So, you join Roodboy in the stupid group....
America is NOT at war with Hamas as you both suggested...
And yes, ISIS did declare war on Hamas AND the Muslim Brotherhood...
Roudy
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Hamas is a designated terrorist organization in the US and most Western nations. Duh.
Fortunately, because there are far more of us, than there are of you, it will go the other way... too bad... so sad.I'm all for American Juden to be allowed to go join their beloved IDF savages in exchange for giving up their US citizenship. ......
Looks like someone's angry because they didn't get their welfare check yetI'm all for American Juden to be allowed to go join their beloved IDF savages in exchange for giving up their US citizenship. ......
Pffffffftttttt... do you really believe that a formal declaration of war, is what it takes, to treat an Enemy like an Enemy, with respect to either military operations or security and economic and diplomantic matters?
It wouldn't hand-out that 'Stupid' badge just yet... you may need it for yourself, on second thought, if you believe the above.
RoccoR
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fanger, et al,
You have an obscure law. And you are right as far as you go. However in the end, you would be wrong on your interpretation and application of the law. But you are in good company; you made the same mistake as the EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA.
It might interest you to know that even the US has non-citizens serving in the Armed Forces; between 2002 - 2013, nearly 90,000 enlistees gained US citizenship through service.
Before entry into WWI, there was more than 6000 Americans were serving in the Royal Canadian Air Force approximately 10000 Americans in the Canadian Army; that is not counting the original 1st American Volunteer Group (AVG) (AKA: The Flying Tigers) that flew for the Chinese during the opening years of WWII. In WWI, the was the American volunteer pilots flying for for the French as the Lafayette Escadrille. In the 1930s, the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was an American Volunteer unit in the Spanish Civil War fighting against the fascists.
The Wiborg v. US essentially says,
That rule has stood through several wars, and stands still today.
Most Respectfully,
R
You have an obscure law. And you are right as far as you go. However in the end, you would be wrong on your interpretation and application of the law. But you are in good company; you made the same mistake as the EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA.
(REFERENCE)
U.S. Supreme Court
Wiborg v. United States, 163 U.S. 632 (1896)
No. 986
Submitted May 18, 1896
Decided May 25, 1896
Wiborg v. United States, 163 U.S. 632 (1896)
No. 986
Submitted May 18, 1896
Decided May 25, 1896
- ERROR TO THE DISTRICT COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
- FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
It might interest you to know that even the US has non-citizens serving in the Armed Forces; between 2002 - 2013, nearly 90,000 enlistees gained US citizenship through service.
Before entry into WWI, there was more than 6000 Americans were serving in the Royal Canadian Air Force approximately 10000 Americans in the Canadian Army; that is not counting the original 1st American Volunteer Group (AVG) (AKA: The Flying Tigers) that flew for the Chinese during the opening years of WWII. In WWI, the was the American volunteer pilots flying for for the French as the Lafayette Escadrille. In the 1930s, the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was an American Volunteer unit in the Spanish Civil War fighting against the fascists.
The Wiborg v. US essentially says,
Taking up defendants' thirteen points, the court disposed of them as follows:
"1. It is not a crime or offense against the United States under the neutrality laws of this country for individuals to leave this country with intent to enlist in foreign military service; nor is it an offense against the United States to transport persons out of this country and to land them in foreign countries when such persons have an intention to enlist in foreign armies."
That rule has stood through several wars, and stands still today.
Most Respectfully,
R
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Sunni Man
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Sorry Toasty Troll but they sent me your welfare check by mistake.
Looks like it's going to be a lean time at the Toastman home. .......
Beelzebub
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American is at war - hot or cold - with half the world too.
It seems that ISIS and the USA might find common ground, especially as they use the same weapon systems and arms suppliers.
Oh hang on ...
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How about all those that joined the Allied armies before Pearl Harbour, then all the ones that hire out as mercenaries in the likes of Columbia. And lastly lets enforce it for all the muslims who are engaged in internet terrorism and inciting violence. Should close down all the team palestine cells in current operation. I wonder if you would be amongst the first to be arrested and tried................
What about the unpaid ISLAMONAZO PROPAGANDIST then why aren't they arrested and sent to prison, that is just the same as joining the IDF.
Liar you are a muslim convert married to a muslim CYBER TERRORIST and spout ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA all the time.
Humanity
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So America is NOT at war with Hamas as you mentioned earlier! Duh!
No, America is not at-war with half the world, hot or cold.
America is merely playing world policeman, for better or worse.
Stepping into the vacuum left behind when you Brits bled yourselves dry and bankrupted yourselves fighting two world wars, and had to let go of your centuries-old empire.
It's a dirty job, but somebody had to pick up the slack, when you bailed-out on your responsibilities in the 1940s.
Nowadays, The Cop is busy keeping a close eye on the latest scum to arise from the sinkholes of the Middle East - namely, Radical, Militant Islam.
As to the US finding common ground with ISIS...
Past machinations don't really matter a damn, once ISIS intentions became clear, and once they began demonstrating their true Neanderthal nature...
There is zero chance that we would take-up common cause with ISIS for any prolonged period of time...
Who wants to take sides with backwards, woman-hating, knuckle-dragging savages - sick, deranged sheep-buggerers who think that God wants them to conquer the world?
Only fellow backwards, woman-hating, knuckle-dragging savages and sick, deranged sheep-buggerers with a perverted and sick vision of what The Deity wants of them.
There are far fewer such folk hereabouts than in the ignorant cesspools and shitholes of the Middle East and beyond from which these scum recruit their warrior-pansies.
We (America) will take a pass on making nice with those sick bastards.
We'll leave that to Muslim ass-kissers and fifth-columnists and Muslim propaganda shills.
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America is in an UNDECLARED war with Militant Islam - which includes Hamas. Clear enough? Or is the absence of a formal declaration of war, while sustaining a state of hostile intent and action and assymetrical and indirect and proxy warfare - just a little too much - just a little too subtle and complicated - for some folks to follow?
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Then the copper is on the take.
And running his own rackets, while protecting the guilty.
Yes. Britain did spend our treasure in protecting the US East Cost from the Nazi fleet.
Had it not been for us holding Germany back The US would have faced the Japanese from the West Coast and a blockade on the East coast.
Depression American might have gotten a lot more depressed.
You're welcome.
Humanity
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Hmmm why don't I feel very secure having America as "world policeman"?
Could it be because America will go to war, unjustifiably, at the drop of a hat, with anyone?
Could it be because America will LIE just to start a war?
Aren't policemen supposed to follow the law?
Oh, there's no doubt, that England did good service to the world - for some brief span of time - drawing on the resources that it acquired through centuries of brutal conquest, colonization and oppression, as it acquired, consolidated and exploited the lands of other peoples of the world for its own gain and welfare; rather like a gangster having a change of heart late in life and playing the Good Guy during his later years, while drawing upon his stash of ill-gotten gains to do it.
You stupidly and arrogantly got yourselves into WWI, you bit off more than you could chew, and the USA had to add its weight to the mix, in order to bail your asses out of the fix that you'd gotten yourselves into, after mistakenly thinking that you could bully your way to victory in the 20th, the same way you did in the 17th and 18th and 19th.
You stupidly and naively allowed the viper of Nazi fascism to grow and prosper and to become a danger to yourselves, Europe and the world, because you and the French lacked the balls in the 1920s and 1930s, to crush the head of the viper before it got too big to kill - you stupidly betrayed and allowed friendly and allied European countries to fall before the first shot had even been fired - you foolishly lost the trust and goodwill of the Russians so that they tucked-in with the Nazis for a while - then you stupidly declared war on a mega-power that you had allowed to grow in your midst, with barely any preparation or industrial or military ramping up in the years leading up to it, except at the last minute.
Yes, you did, indeed, hold your Island against the onslaught, and you did, indeed, out of desperation and very little choice in the matter, develop all kinds of new technologies and procedures for new modes of combat on the water and in the air, and you did, indeed, share those with us, and we were (and are still) grateful, but, the truth of the matter is, that you (for the second time in 25 years) foolishly went to war, arrogantly, and without preparation, and, for the most part, got your asses kicked, soundly, and had to rely upon a change in status of the Russians, and, ultimately, our entry into the war, in order to bail your asses out again, as we'd already begun to do in the period 1939-1941, before we even committed in a military sense to the struggle.
You did good service, but only after you'd stupidly and arrogantly got yourselves into predicaments that required the Untied States - and the Soviet Union, for that matter - to bail out your sorry asses, and to come to the rescue. The best you'd managed without us in Europe was a stalemate, in hunkering-down in your island, and, had we not jumped-in when we did, you would have lost that advantage in another year or two or three, as your enemy took the lessons it learned from the Battle of Britain, and come back for a Round Two that you could not possibly have won - or survived.
So... yes... you played an important part, did good service, and were a good partner.
But the situation in which you'd found yourselves was your own damned fault, because you were already suffering from an Exhausted Empire, and were afraid to act like your ancestors and predecessors had acted, to protect yourselves effectively, while there was still time.
Most folks who know better, here in the States, are operating under no delusions about the victory of WWII being a collaborative effort, but you delude yourself when you omit your foolhardiness and culpability for getting yourselves into such a fix, two times within a quarter-century, when both could have been prevented, done a different way.
For all your supposed and so-called sophistication, you folks screwed the pooch, big-time, twice, in the 20th, and had to belly-up (go bankrupt), in the final analysis.
We weren't overly-keen on taking-up the role of Shield Bearer or World Cop, but the world was (and is) a dangerous place, and running back home and hiding under our beds would have only put us on the same course of risk-of-destruction that you folks inflicted upon yourselves, on multiple occasions, in the 20th.
So, unless you're ready to step back in, and show us by example how to play World Cop better than you did the first time around, you really don't have much room to talk.
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Beelzebub
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TL: DR
PS:
Have I ever said Kondor, you must learn to 'sell yourself' better. You want people to invest part of their valuable lives in giving attention to your philosophical meanderings and you present only paragraphs and paragraphs of errant nonsense, without doing "The Big Sell".
Try to think yourself into the mind of your reader, and ask yourself "What would make ME want to read through so many words detouring so far away from the topic under discussion?"
You may do a lot better that way.
You are welcome.
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Your loss, not mine. In your position, I would not want to read-through several paras citing my country's failures, either. Da nada.
TL: DR
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Have I ever said Kondor, you must learn to 'sell yourself' better. You want people to invest part of their valuable lives in giving attention to your philosophical meanderings and you present only paragraphs and paragraphs of errant nonsense, without doing "The Big Sell".
Try to think yourself into the mind of your reader, and ask yourself "What would make ME want to read through so many words detouring so far away from the topic under discussion?"
You may do a lot better that way.
You are welcome.
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