75 years ago today: WWII begins

[Camp]

74 years after FDR gave that speech it is still used out of context. He was addressing the build up of American forces and hence was discussing the possibility of war. He made it clear that it was his hope that if the US built of it's forces Germany would not choose to drag America into the war. He was speaking directly to the parents of men being drafted into the military as a purely defensive deterrent would not be sent to fight a foreign war.
Hindsight is 20/20. Once Germany began attacking US Navy ships in the Atlantic the war became something else besides "foreign". Japan attacked America and Hitler declared war on the US.

You are, of course, talking out of both sides of your mouth. The hypocrisy of you apologists for that scumbag FDR is truly shameless.

For some unknown reason the link to the speech that backs up my comment was left out.
Here you go, fixed it.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15887

 

[Peach]

the general rule is 50 to 75 YEARS before history can be written. Which is why so many comments about FDR are laughable.

Did people wait 50 years to judge the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of the pantheon of historical villains?

The subject was Internment, not genocide. No, no mention of protection, again, the public wanted BLOOD. I had a great uncle die at Pearl Harbor, Roy Pullen; his family related to me the anger felt after Pearl Harbor. A quick link, yes,Wikipedia, however....having known many who lived the times, still valid. Fear mongers won the "argument" on Internment, some right wing fruit cakes wanted Japanese executed. FDR could never please the extreme right, many of whom skipped WWII:

The attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 led military and political leaders to suspect that Imperial Japan was preparing a full-scale attack on the West Coast of the United States. Japan's rapid military conquest of a large portion of Asia and the Pacific between 1936 and 1942 made its military forces seem unstoppable to some Americans.

American public opinion initially stood by the large population of Japanese-Americans living on the West Coast, with the Los Angeles Times characterizing them as "good Americans, born and educated as such." Many Americans believed that their loyalty to the United States was unquestionable.[27]

However, six weeks after the attack, public opinion turned against Japanese Americans living in on the West Coast, as the press and other Americans became nervous about the potential for fifth column activity. Though the administration (including the PresidentFranklin D. Roosevelt and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover) dismissed all rumors of Japanese-American espionage on behalf of the Japanese War effort, pressure mounted upon the Administration as the tide of public opinion turned against Japanese-Americans. Civilian and military officials had serious concerns about the loyalty of the ethnic Japanese after the Niihau Incident which immediately followed the attack on Pearl Harbor, when a civilian Japanese national and two Hawaiian-born ethnic Japanese on the island of Ni'ihau violently freed a downed and captured Japanese naval airman, attacking their fellow Ni'ihau islanders in the process.[28]

 

[Bush92]

September 1st, 1939 two socialist countries invaded Poland. Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Only conservative nation in the war Great Britain under Churchill.

 

[Unkotare]

FDR held this nation together during the darkest times ever seen*. Now why is FDR a "scumbag"?.

He has been a scumbag ever since he first soiled the office of President. He didn't "hold the nation together." The American people held the nation together through faith, courage, generosity and grit. The US military won the war, not that scumbag FDR. If you've got another name suitable for a person who abuses the power of the office of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief in order to throw tens of thousands of innocent, loyal, brave Americans into concentration camps then I'd like to hear it.

 

[Peach]

the general rule is 50 to 75 YEARS before history can be written. Which is why so many comments about FDR are laughable.

Did people wait 50 years to judge the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of the pantheon of historical villains?

Stalin's crimes were reported by his successors, look up Krushchev. Also, there are still those today that deny the Holocaust happened, a few post on this board. Most Americans thought the reports of genocide "could not be true", until those fighting came back & confirmed the the truth.

 

[Peach]

September 1st, 1939 two socialist countries invaded Poland. Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Only conservative nation in the war Great Britain under Churchill.

No, two FASCIST countries invaded.

 

[Unkotare]

the general rule is 50 to 75 YEARS before history can be written. Which is why so many comments about FDR are laughable.

Did people wait 50 years to judge the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of the pantheon of historical villains?

The subject was Internment, not genocide.

It was a yes/no question. I did not request qualifiers.

 

[Camp]

And of course German Americans enlisted in large numbers.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the most highly decorated unit in US military history.

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Thank you, many Japanese Americans also served with honor and distinction. Inouye comes to mind.

Japanese in Hawaii were not interred in camps. The internment camps was a California ploy by businessman, mostly in the agriculture community, with the help of local politicians, to confiscate aka rob Japanese land owners and businessmen. It was a scam and FDR and his administration fell for it. Big black mark on his record and the record of the US, but not to many people at the time objected. There was fear in the air and the scam artist took full advantage.

 

[Peach]

FDR held this nation together during the darkest times ever seen*. Now why is FDR a "scumbag"?.

He has been a scumbag ever since he first soiled the office of President. He didn't "hold the nation together." The American people held the nation together through faith, courage, generosity and grit. The US military won the war, not that scumbag FDR. If you've got another name suitable for a person who abuses the power of the office of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief in order to throw tens of thousands of innocent, loyal, brave Americans into concentration camps then I'd like to hear it.

Again, historians must judge each by the era(.) I did interviews with many in the 1980s, most stated "rumors were flying, we were scared, would we be attacked again?"

 

[Unkotare]

No, no mention of protection, again, the public wanted BLOOD. I had a great uncle die at Pearl Harbor, Roy Pullen; his family related to me the anger felt after Pearl Harbor. A quick link, yes,Wikipedia, however....having known many who lived the times, still valid. Fear mongers won the "argument" on Internment, some right wing fruit cakes wanted Japanese executed. ]

Would you be grateful for the "protection" if the government threw your ass into a concentration camp for any reason?

The "fruitcake" was FDR. He was the one who ordered his concentration camps be built and filled with innocent AMERICAN CITIZENS.

 

[Peach]

And of course German Americans enlisted in large numbers.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the most highly decorated unit in US military history.

Untitled Document

Thank you, many Japanese Americans also served with honor and distinction. Inouye comes to mind.

Japanese in Hawaii were not interred in camps. The internment camps was a California ploy by businessman, mostly in the agriculture community, with the help of local politicians, to confiscate aka rob Japanese land owners and businessmen. It was a scam and FDR and his administration fell for it. Big black mark on his record and the record of the US, but not to many people at the time objected. There was fear in the air and the scam artist took full advantage.

Other parts of the WESTERN US were included, but there were acts of viloence against those of Japanese descent through out WWII. And pronounced bias against those of German descent.

 

[Bush92]

the general rule is 50 to 75 YEARS before history can be written. Which is why so many comments about FDR are laughable.

Did people wait 50 years to judge the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of the pantheon of historical villains?

Stalin's crimes were reported by his successors, look up Krushchev. Also, there are still those today that deny the Holocaust happened, a few post on this board. Most Americans thought the reports of genocide "could not be true", until those fighting came back & confirmed the the truth.

We knew about death camps. We had aerial recon photos. Churchill knew. FDR knew. Public did not.

 

[Old Rocks]

So, you people are saying that after Pearl Harbor, FDR should have simply gave the Japanese whatever they wanted? Remember, it was Germany that declared war on us, not the other way around.

 

[Camp]

And of course German Americans enlisted in large numbers.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the most highly decorated unit in US military history.

Untitled Document

Thank you, many Japanese Americans also served with honor and distinction. Inouye comes to mind.

Japanese in Hawaii were not interred in camps. The internment camps was a California ploy by businessman, mostly in the agriculture community, with the help of local politicians, to confiscate aka rob Japanese land owners and businessmen. It was a scam and FDR and his administration fell for it. Big black mark on his record and the record of the US, but not to many people at the time objected. There was fear in the air and the scam artist took full advantage.

Other parts of the WESTERN US were included, but there were acts of viloence against those of Japanese descent through out WWII. And pronounced bias against those of German descent.

I wonder if the Oregon and Washington folks did this crap.

www.fear.org/RMillerJ-A.html

 

[Unkotare]

And of course German Americans enlisted in large numbers.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the most highly decorated unit in US military history.

Untitled Document

Thank you, many Japanese Americans also served with honor and distinction. Inouye comes to mind.

Japanese in Hawaii were not interred in camps. The internment camps was a California ploy by businessman, mostly in the agriculture community, with the help of local politicians, to confiscate aka rob Japanese land owners and businessmen. It was a scam and FDR and his administration fell for it. .

"Fell for it" is a highly transparent attempt to paint that scoundrel FDR as a poor, innocent victim of tricksters. Bullshit. He was ultimately responsible for and guilty of every aspect of his concentration camps. Before the US ever entered the war, the scumbag FDR is on record with his disdain for Jews and Asians (he freely offered his opinion that both were unsuitable for intermixing with whites). He acted entirely in accord with these professed feelings toward both.

 

[Unkotare]

FDR held this nation together during the darkest times ever seen*. Now why is FDR a "scumbag"?.

He has been a scumbag ever since he first soiled the office of President. He didn't "hold the nation together." The American people held the nation together through faith, courage, generosity and grit. The US military won the war, not that scumbag FDR. If you've got another name suitable for a person who abuses the power of the office of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief in order to throw tens of thousands of innocent, loyal, brave Americans into concentration camps then I'd like to hear it.

Again, historians must judge each by the era(.)

Other villains of the era were judged as such by people of that era, this one, and all those in between. That's a flaccid excuse.

Ralph Carr Defender of Japanese Americans Colorado Virtual Library

 

[Camp]

September 1st, 1939 two socialist countries invaded Poland. Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Only conservative nation in the war Great Britain under Churchill.

You're not to good at history. You don't know the basic simplest facts. Why should anyone believe you have the knowledge to be credible when you don't even know the basis?

 

[Jroc]

FDR held this nation together during the darkest times ever seen*. Now why is FDR a "scumbag"? The ONLY act that coulld possibly qualify is the bombings of a Hiroshima & Nagasaki, which occurre after his death.

Yes, FDR wasn't able to stop the Imperial army before the Rape of Nanking, or the Germans before the Holocaust; until the late 1930s, the US economy remained weak, with isloationists have a strong voice. That changed after Pearl Harbor.

*Arguable exception: Civil War.

FDR also could have helped to limited the attempted extermination of the Jews in Europe... He chose otherwise.

 

[Peach]

No, no mention of protection, again, the public wanted BLOOD. I had a great uncle die at Pearl Harbor, Roy Pullen; his family related to me the anger felt after Pearl Harbor. A quick link, yes,Wikipedia, however....having known many who lived the times, still valid. Fear mongers won the "argument" on Internment, some right wing fruit cakes wanted Japanese executed. ]

Would you be grateful for the "protection" if the government threw your ass into a concentration camp for any reason?

The "fruitcake" was FDR. He was the one who ordered his concentration camps be built and filled with innocent AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Ok, time for some actual HISTORY:

General DeWitt was the head of the crowds screaming for Japanese blood; Congress demanded it.................now unlike wars begun by the US, the US was attacked and Germany declared war on the US. Thus Roosevelt had to keep the nation together. The extremist right USED Pearl Harbor as an excuse to attack FDR.

Pamphlets from US right wing extremists called Roosevelt "Rosenfeld" to stir up anti-Semitic tensions, accused him of being a "Communist" for wanting to fight Hitler, and reported the usual trash............the facts remain. Beloved by the american people, and the our Allies, he ranks with the best US Presidemts in history. Ok, revisionists, have fun.

 

[Peach]

September 1st, 1939 two socialist countries invaded Poland. Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Only conservative nation in the war Great Britain under Churchill.

You're not to good at history. You don't know the basic simplest facts. Why should anyone believe you have the knowledge to be credible when you don't even know the basis?

Revision of history requires leaving the facts behind...........