7 Injured As Settlers Attack Palestinian School Bus

[Lipush]

Are you saying that I cannot blame person A over something they did, until I go out and find something to blame person B on? Is that how you think this works?

No! I'm saying, take the general facts you have in front of you, and assemble the pieces correctly. don't take a 'culprit' and try to twist the facts so they will be suited more logically to your agenda.

Anti-zionism is not the reason people blame Israel

Anti-Zionism is much more than viewing Israel in negative manners. Zionism calls to recognize the Jewish connection to the land of Israel, in order to grant the jews justice. That is why we say that Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism are one and the same. Those who deny our historical rights, our rights for justice, are AntiSemites, no matter if they call themselves so openly, or not.

Anti-Zionism is the modern Anti-semitism. Israel is just part of it.

it's because of the things Israel has done

If Someone's against the Israeli policies, it still doesn't make them Anti-Zionists. you can believe the Israeli government is wicked and shitted, that still won't make you Anti-Zionist, because people believe Zionism should be seen in different ways, many times.

But instead of being a responsible adult and owning up to the things you've done, you constantly try to shift the criticism back to the one who blamed you.

Criticism which comes from hate will be brushed off. Such criticism is no criticism, but simple slander.

You cannot expect us to take criticism with people who say that the best solution for the Israeli-Palestinian problem will be put all Jews on isolated island near Madagascar!

Or those who call for Israel to be destroyed.

that's criticism? **** you all, if that's what you wish for us to tolerate!

So blaming Israel for a 45 year, illegal occupation of land that isn't theirs and in violation of international law and over 200 UN resolutions, is just because people don't like Israel? It has nothing to do with the occupation, violations and resolutions?

I believe the 67' borders should be openly discussed by our government, I have told BIK so, too. In order to understand how unreal and delusional this "solution" is, we have to talk about it openly, and only if our people agree, we will give up our homes and withdrew to those lines.

This will not happen by force.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I HAVE READ no updates about the injuries here of the children hurt addressed in the OP, one thing I really hate is being unable to find out more details about Palestinians injured. THERE is a world of difference when Israelis are injured and Palestinians are injured. LOOK AT all the news about Adele and look at the lack of news about these children hurt on this bus. ARE they OK now?

 

[Billo_Really]

No! I'm saying, take the general facts you have in front of you, and assemble the pieces correctly. don't take a 'culprit' and try to twist the facts so they will be suited more logically to your agenda.

What makes you think I don't?

Anti-Zionism is much more than viewing Israel in negative manners. Zionism calls to recognize the Jewish connection to the land of Israel, in order to grant the jews justice. That is why we say that Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism are one and the same. Those who deny our historical rights, our rights for justice, are AntiSemites, no matter if they call themselves so openly, or not.

Anti-Zionism is the modern Anti-semitism. Israel is just part of it.

What does that have to do with me?

If Someone's against the Israeli policies, it still doesn't make them Anti-Zionists. you can believe the Israeli government is wicked and shitted, that still won't make you Anti-Zionist, because people believe Zionism should be seen in different ways, many times.

If you really believed that, this "anti-zionist" card wouldn't constitute 90% of your responses to criticism.

Criticism which comes from hate will be brushed off. Such criticism is no criticism, but simple slander.

You cannot expect us to take criticism with people who say that the best solution for the Israeli-Palestinian problem will be put all Jews on isolated island near Madagascar!

Or those who call for Israel to be destroyed.

that's criticism? **** you all, if that's what you wish for us to tolerate!

The problem is, almost all of the criticism is processed through that prism. So your point is, 90% of all criticism regarding Israel, is because people hate Israel?

I believe the 67' borders should be openly discussed by our government, I have told BIK so, too. In order to understand how unreal and delusional this "solution" is, we have to talk about it openly, and only if our people agree, we will give up our homes and withdrew to those lines.

This will not happen by force.

If you rob a bank, it is not required for the cops to negotiate with the bank robbers, to make sure justice is served. If you committed a crime, you don't have the same rights as when you were obeying the law. If you're in violation of the law, you will be dealt with and that includes force, if necessary.

And on the subject of "unreal and delusional", saying that the only nuclear power in the ME can't defend its borders, is just crazy talk!

 

[Billo_Really]

I HAVE READ no updates about the injuries here of the children hurt addressed in the OP, one thing I really hate is being unable to find out more details about Palestinians injured. THERE is a world of difference when Israelis are injured and Palestinians are injured. LOOK AT all the news about Adele and look at the lack of news about these children hurt on this bus. ARE they OK now?

Oh you just said that because you hate Israel, not because its true!

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I am trying to find out if they are OK, in the meantime, if anyone finds any information about the children in the OP, please post.

 

[Lipush]

What makes you think I don't?

Reaching? I don't take that to consideration..

What does that have to do with me?

I was just explaining, is all

If you really believed that, this "anti-zionist" card wouldn't constitute 90% of your responses to criticism.

I see many posters here as Anti-Zionists, is why.

The problem is, almost all of the criticism is processed through that prism. So your point is, 90% of all criticism regarding Israel, is because people hate Israel?

90% want Israel destroyed? And you think that's normal?

If you rob a bank, it is not required for the cops to negotiate with the bank robbers, to make sure justice is served. If you committed a crime, you don't have the same rights as when you were obeying the law. If you're in violation of the law, you will be dealt with and that includes force, if necessary.

We don't rub, we take what's ours. And we give up what's ours.

And you are in need to negotiate, because if you do any of this without making sure that is what the people want, the Jews are going to open up an Intifada, which will be ten times worse than the Arab Intifadas. And people will die.

And on the subject of "unreal and delusional", saying that the only nuclear power in the ME can't defend its borders, is just crazy talk!

Since when does the world believes Israel has the right to defend itself?

The world believes Israel has the right to be humiliated and killed, is all.

You said it yourself, 90% believe so....

And Israel has no ability to use nuclear whatsoever, it's babble talk of delusional people

 

[Hossfly]

I am trying to find out if they are OK, in the meantime, if anyone finds any information about the children in the OP, please post.

There's a rumor that Ayatollah O'bama is having those children flown to DC on Air Force One to appear before Congress.

 

[Billo_Really]

I see many posters here as Anti-Zionists, is why.

That's a debatable issue we can discuss some other time, because there is a question I need to ask you regarding that statement, which is...

... "Do you think zionists share some responsibility in creating anti-zionist behavior in others?"

90% want Israel destroyed? And you think that's normal?

I don't think its normal you think 90% of the people in the world want Israel destroyed.

We don't rub, we take what's ours.

I had a girlfriend who said that to me once when I accused her of stealing. She said, "I only took what was mine!"

Her friends told me later that's how she does it. She just declares whatever she wants as hers, then it's not stealing. Kind of like what Israel is doing in the OPT.

And we give up what's ours.

No one is asking you to give up anything that's yours.

They are asking you to vacate what is not.

And you are in need to negotiate, because if you do any of this without making sure that is what the people want, the Jews are going to open up an Intifada, which will be ten times worse than the Arab Intifadas. And people will die.

Any negotiation would constitute tacit approval of Israel breaking the law and that's not going to happen. You do not negotiate with criminals. You stop them from committing further crimes. That will be your fate.

Since when does the world believes Israel has the right to defend itself?

Since it became a member state of the UN.

Article 51 of the UN Charter gives Israel that right.

A right, I might add, an occupational force does not have.

The world believes Israel has the right to be humiliated and killed, is all.

You're in violation of over 200 UN resolutions and you act like your the victim!

No, the world does not believe that. If you'd read those resolutions, you would see that.

You said it yourself, 90% believe so....

I didn't say that, you did!

And Israel has no ability to use nuclear whatsoever, it's babble talk of delusional people

You have over 200 nukes with no ability to use them?

Are the nukes too heavy for your fighter jets to carry?

Don't you have any missles?

I know you don't have bombers, that's why you need our help to attack Iran.

 

[toastman]

I see many posters here as Anti-Zionists, is why.

That's a debatable issue we can discuss some other time, because there is a question I need to ask you regarding that statement, which is...

... "Do you think zionists share some responsibility in creating anti-zionist behavior in others?"

90% want Israel destroyed? And you think that's normal?

I don't think its normal you think 90% of the people in the world want Israel destroyed.

I had a girlfriend who said that to me once when I accused her of stealing. She said, "I only took what was mine!"

Her friends told me later that's how she does it. She just declares whatever she wants as hers, then it's not stealing. Kind of like what Israel is doing in the OPT.

No one is asking you to give up anything that's yours.

They are asking you to vacate what is not.

Any negotiation would constitute tacit approval of Israel breaking the law and that's not going to happen. You do not negotiate with criminals. You stop them from committing further crimes. That will be your fate.

Since it became a member state of the UN.

Article 51 of the UN Charter gives Israel that right.

A right, I might add, an occupational force does not have.

You're in violation of over 200 UN resolutions and you act like your the victim!

No, the world does not believe that. If you'd read those resolutions, you would see that.

You said it yourself, 90% believe so....

I didn't say that, you did!

And Israel has no ability to use nuclear whatsoever, it's babble talk of delusional people

You have over 200 nukes with no ability to use them?

Are the nukes too heavy for your fighter jets to carry?

Don't you have any missles?

I know you don't have bombers, that's why you need our help to attack Iran.

I remeber reading somewhere that the U.S was supposed to sell Israel f35 jets that can carry nuclear bombs.not sure what ever happened with that

 

[Lipush]

... "Do you think zionists share some responsibility in creating anti-zionist behavior in others?"

Absolutely.

Being around Israeli-Zionist all the time, there are some I would have felt great shame in calling them Jews or Zionists.

But they are part of the problem, not the problem itself.

I don't think its normal you think 90% of the people in the world want Israel destroyed.

Eh?! From where exactly is that number taken.?

I don't recall saying that!

I had a girlfriend who said that to me once when I accused her of stealing. She said, "I only took what was mine!"

Her friends told me later that's how she does it. She just declares whatever she wants as hers, then it's not stealing. Kind of like what Israel is doing in the OPT.

I do not know you nor your girlfriend, so I cannot make the comparison.

No one is asking you to give up anything that's yours.

They are asking you to vacate what is not.

When people call "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", they do ask what we cannot, WILL NOT, give.

Any negotiation would constitute tacit approval of Israel breaking the law and that's not going to happen. You do not negotiate with criminals. You stop them from committing further crimes. That will be your fate.

See, THAT's your mistake. You believe you'll have to deal with settlers only. that's why you say criminals.

We have seen the result of 2005 tragedies. You try to force Jews out, millions will go out to the treat, not just the 300,000 settlers. millions.

Are you going to take responsibility once an Israeli spring will start?

Since it became a member state of the UN.

Something the UN itself tend to forget many times.

The UN became a joke years ago.

I know you don't have bombers, that's why you need our help to attack Iran.

Iran is a major danger to the entire region, not only to us.

We take it more seriously because we're the only ones Iran threatened openly with destruction.

 

[MHunterB]

Loinie, anyone who states that 'Israel should not have existed' is an anti-Zionist.

And I don't see any reason to invest much time or energy in caring about the opinions of such people.

Of course, I ONLY speak for myself, and I am not an Israeli. So my response to your posts may not be all that useful for you.

 

[Lipush]

You speak for me, and for many Israelis too, Marg.

Don't worry about it

 

[Lipush]

Dedicated to Loinboy.

The Israeli:

 

[Billo_Really]

Loinie, anyone who states that 'Israel should not have existed' is an anti-Zionist.

And I don't see any reason to invest much time or energy in caring about the opinions of such people.

Of course, I ONLY speak for myself, and I am not an Israeli. So my response to your posts may not be all that useful for you.

My point is more about "why" people are anti-zionist.

And that's a reason zionists constantly refuse to deal with.

 

[Lipush]

Anti-Zionism is rooted deeply with Anti-semitism

That fact which is known to all.

 

[Billo_Really]

Dedicated to Loinboy.

The Israeli:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTnOggcEBK4

I can't stand Glenn Beck! The guys a nutjob and definately NOT NORMAL!

It is not normal to call something an "attack", when it was in response to one of yours.

A normal person would call it "retaliation".

 

[Lipush]

Your statement goes both ways, you know.

 

[Lipush]

Loinboy, I cannot stand bigoted-leftists.

Does it help me? They exist, their opinions, too. Even though I think self-loathing is a mental disease

but I have to deal with it.

So you guys have to deal with people believing that Israel is not always the only bad guy.

I say thank you for people like him.

 

[Billo_Really]

Your statement goes both ways, you know.

No it doesn't!

If you're the one who started the violence, then you're the villain.

 

[Billo_Really]

Loinboy, I cannot stand bigoted-leftists.

Does it help me? They exist, their opinions, too. Even though I think self-loathing is a mental disease

but I have to deal with it.

So you guys have to deal with people believing that Israel is not always the only bad guy.

I say thank you for people like him.

The problem is, you act like you're the good guy, when you've done bad things.