63% of Americans Do Not Want Debt Ceiling Raised CBS News/New York Times

[ShackledNation]

43% of Republicans disapproved of Bush by the end of his term. That doesn't exactly cry "we love bush!" to me.
Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent - CBS News

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I just don't see how Raising the Debt Limit has suddenly become a sacred patriotic duty for all Democrats to support. Just a couple of years ago this President and Democrats were up on their high-horses preaching about how awful Raising the Debt Limit was. This is a shocking & egregious Flip-Flop by this President & Democrats. I don't see how anyone can see it any other way.

 

[Care4all]

At least the Bushbots had the balls to call Bush out when he fucked up... this crowd will never do that.

That's a blatant lie or just a large amount of naive going on. Conservatives supported Bush in large numbers, even when he was about to leave office.

Supporting a President is not the same as agreeing and supporting his policies.
I disagreed with the tax refund he gave people...I knew it wouldnt work and I said so to anyone I spoke with.....it was a typical p[olitical ploy...an attempt to leave office with a higher approval trating.

I disagreed with Tarp.

I disagreed with his amnesty ideas.

BUT...I admired his leadership. The man did not whine and cry...he didnt blame anyone...he didnt argue when people called him a liar...he didnt whine when Reid said "the war is lost"...

He let the buck stop with him.

He was not a great policy maker...he was a great leader.

I see Obama as not a great ploicy maker...and by no means a leader.

Yet he still gets the left touting him as the greatest.

i haven't seen any one on the left tout obama is the ''greatest''......

but near every republican and some democrats and independents did tout bush as the greatest, and reelected him in 2004!!! And near every republican supported him until 2006, and only after 2006 did republicans begin to speak out against him....

give it till 2014, and you might have the same unsupport of obama from the left, as you all leaning right had towards bush starting in 2006.

at least that is how it was on the board i was posting on, at the time....

 

[Trajan]

No it isn't a lie. Some of us had, and duly voiced our opposition to Bush's profligate spending, the steel tariffs, the Medicare drug largess, the way Iraq was handled, John Ashcroft, etc.

Please.

Well you must have been very quiet then. Let's face the facts, if the so-called 'Small Government Conservatives' cared so much about our deficit then the Tea Party would have been huge before Obama took office. Reality check, it only really grew once a Dem was in office.

Furthermore, like I said, a wide majority of Conservatives still supported Bush when he left office. So I guess they didn't oppose his spending or policies that much.

well let me use a phrase that someone of your apparent political predilections used earlier- "its not 2006 anymore. "

President Obama is a lot more like Bush than the Conservatives who supported Bush care to admit.

sure thing, pat act, predators, osama........I was on his education bandwagon race to the Top, but he blew that up.

was there something else?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Raising the Debt Limit is now your "sacred patriotic duty" according to this President & Democrats. How full of shit are Democrats these days? What a scam.

 

[Zona]

Newsmax/InsiderAdvantage Poll: Voters Don't Want Debt Ceiling Hike

During his press conference addressing the debt ceiling debate Obama said the American public isn’t paying attention to the ins and outs of this debate; essentially saying that the reason so many Americans don’t support allowing the government to raise the current debt limit from the $14 trillion, where it currently stands, is because they are ignorant. That was his response when asked why 63% of Americans side with the Republicans.

He then repeated the false statement that failure to grant to government the ability to continue spend astronomical amounts of money—amounts that I am convinced that the leftists on this board simply don’t comprehend—will inevitably lead to defaulting of America’s debt. This is absolutely not true, nor is it true that it is paramount to the sky falling. The deficit and the debt aren’t the same, and servicing the treasury bonds is completely possible without raising America’s credit limit.

Obama has said the word ‘crisis’ so many times that it has lost its meaning. The American public have seen the results of the stimulus act, and no one is buying that it saved us from some mythical catastrophe, and no one is buying these easy disprovable threats of dire consequences if the government is able to bury itself it debt that--if there is anything this debate has proven it is this-- Democrat lawmakers have no intention of ever reducing or addressing the deficit in many meaningful manner.

The media is baffled as to why Speaker of the House John Boehner is refusing to allow the raising of the debt ceiling, but it is obvious: because 63% of Americans understand the simple fact that if you have a credit card and are maxed out and in debt you do not need a higher credit limit or another credit card.

President Obama is losing this debate, and Boehner is not afraid of defaulting on debt because that is nothing more than propaganda reminiscent of the way this administration has operated the last two years.

Seriously, you quoted newsmax?

How ******* hacky are you?

 

[Modbert]

It didn't help matters that the Dem was a colossal Marxist. Had he been a bit, just a bit less radical, I doubt the Tea Party would have taken off as it has.

I don't think you know what that word means. Let me guess, you think Marxism, Socialism, and Communism are all the same thing too?

 

[Modbert]

43% of Republicans disapproved of Bush by the end of his term. That doesn't exactly cry "we love bush!" to me.
Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent - CBS News

Gallup is the most reliable poll out there.

Bush Presidency Closes With 34% Approval, 61% Disapproval

Bush had been averaging a 29% approval rating for the last quarter of his

presidency up to now -- identical to his average approval ratings for each of the previous two quarters. Individual Gallup approval readings on Bush exceeded that figure several times in the past year, including a 33% reading in September. However, the current 34% approval score is Bush's highest since January 2008, and a sharp improvement from the 25% recorded right before the November elections.

Bush mainly has members of his own party to thank for the fact that he is ending his presidency with an approval rating above 30%. Republicans' approval of him rose from 67% in mid-December to 75% in the current poll -- their highest rating of Bush in nearly a year. By contrast, approval of Bush remains extremely scarce among Democrats, and continues to fall under 30% among independents.

Conservative Republicans Still Widely Support Bush

PRINCETON, NJ -- George W. Bush remains popular among conservative Republicans (72% approve of him) despite his low overall approval rating. Meanwhile, moderate and liberal Republicans are as likely to disapprove as to approve of the job he is doing, and Democrats of all political orientations hold Bush in low regard.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I ripped Bush plenty when he deserved to be ripped. I ripped him on Spending,the Border,and when he tried to sell our Ports to Foreigners. I don't see much of any honest criticism coming from the Hopey Changey followers though. I mean now it's suddenly all about your "sacred patriotic duty" to raise the Debt Limit? What the Hell are the Democrats talking about? They were absolutely vicious in condemning raising Debt Limits when the other side had power. This stuff is astounding to me. This is by far the most shocking & egregious Flip-Flop in History. This President & Democrats really should be ashamed of themselves. But i bet they're not.

 

[KissMy]

i haven't seen any one on the left tout obama is the ''greatest''......

but near every republican and some democrats and independents did tout bush as the greatest, and reelected him in 2004!!! And near every republican supported him until 2006, and only after 2006 did republicans begin to speak out against him....

give it till 2014, and you might have the same unsupport of obama from the left, as you all leaning right had towards bush starting in 2006.

at least that is how it was on the board i was posting on, at the time....

Some of us just voted against Kerry but not exactly pro spendaholic Bush. Bush lost me after Katrina 2005.

 

[Care4all]

i haven't seen any one on the left tout obama is the ''greatest''......

but near every republican and some democrats and independents did tout bush as the greatest, and reelected him in 2004!!! And near every republican supported him until 2006, and only after 2006 did republicans begin to speak out against him....

give it till 2014, and you might have the same unsupport of obama from the left, as you all leaning right had towards bush starting in 2006.

at least that is how it was on the board i was posting on, at the time....

Some of us just voted against Kerry but not exactly pro spendaholic Bush. Bush lost me after Katrina 2005.

my friend Immanuel, who posts here, was the same...he voted ''against kerry'' in 2004, and he stopped supporting president bush AFTER katrina....and when he got tired of counting the men killed in iraq.....

i didn't know there were others similar to him....but u pretty much are sayin the same*....less iraq.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It didn't help matters that the Dem was a colossal Marxist. Had he been a bit, just a bit less radical, I doubt the Tea Party would have taken off as it has.

I don't think you know what that word means. Let me guess, you think Marxism, Socialism, and Communism are all the same thing too?

No, actually they are not the same thing yet very interrelated. Marxism & Communism are Socialism on steroids whereby they government controls the economy.

 

[Toro]

Newsmax/InsiderAdvantage Poll: Voters Don't Want Debt Ceiling Hike

During his press conference addressing the debt ceiling debate Obama said the American public isn’t paying attention to the ins and outs of this debate; essentially saying that the reason so many Americans don’t support allowing the government to raise the current debt limit from the $14 trillion, where it currently stands, is because they are ignorant. That was his response when asked why 63% of Americans side with the Republicans.

He then repeated the false statement that failure to grant to government the ability to continue spend astronomical amounts of money—amounts that I am convinced that the leftists on this board simply don’t comprehend—will inevitably lead to defaulting of America’s debt. This is absolutely not true, nor is it true that it is paramount to the sky falling. The deficit and the debt aren’t the same, and servicing the treasury bonds is completely possible without raising America’s credit limit.

Obama has said the word ‘crisis’ so many times that it has lost its meaning. The American public have seen the results of the stimulus act, and no one is buying that it saved us from some mythical catastrophe, and no one is buying these easy disprovable threats of dire consequences if the government is able to bury itself it debt that--if there is anything this debate has proven it is this-- Democrat lawmakers have no intention of ever reducing or addressing the deficit in many meaningful manner.

The media is baffled as to why Speaker of the House John Boehner is refusing to allow the raising of the debt ceiling, but it is obvious: because 63% of Americans understand the simple fact that if you have a credit card and are maxed out and in debt you do not need a higher credit limit or another credit card.

President Obama is losing this debate, and Boehner is not afraid of defaulting on debt because that is nothing more than propaganda reminiscent of the way this administration has operated the last two years.

This is consistent with past polls on the debt ceiling. Americans generally do not want it raised. They also want the deficit eliminated.

However, they want all this without it affecting them. They want the deficit to go down but they don't want spending that affects them cut. They don't want to cut social security and they don't want to cut medicare. They also don't want to be taxed. They want taxes on the rich to go up instead. They think we can balance the budget by cutting foreign aid and government workers. IOW, Americans ARE confused about all this.

The deficit is $1.5 trillion, or 10% of the economy. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, even if we do not default - which I think is unlikely - then we will start contracting the economy at a rate twice as great as the depth of the Financial Crisis. Removing 10% of spending will increase unemployment. In polling, Americans say they want jobs. Not lifting the debt ceiling will destroy jobs, not create them, at least in the immediate term.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

i haven't seen any one on the left tout obama is the ''greatest''......

but near every republican and some democrats and independents did tout bush as the greatest, and reelected him in 2004!!! And near every republican supported him until 2006, and only after 2006 did republicans begin to speak out against him....

give it till 2014, and you might have the same unsupport of obama from the left, as you all leaning right had towards bush starting in 2006.

at least that is how it was on the board i was posting on, at the time....

Some of us just voted against Kerry but not exactly pro spendaholic Bush. Bush lost me after Katrina 2005.

my friend Immanuel, who posts here, was the same...he voted ''against kerry'' in 2004, and he stopped supporting president bush AFTER katrina....and when he got tired of counting the men killed in iraq.....

i didn't know there were others similar to him....but u pretty much do....less iraq.

I went through Katrina.... Blanco and Nagin were the real culprits here. Blaming Bush is absurd.

 

[Modbert]

This is consistent with past polls on the debt ceiling. Americans generally do not want it raised. They also want the deficit eliminated.

However, they want all this without it affecting them. They want the deficit to go down but they don't want spending that affects them cut. They don't want to cut social security and they don't want to cut medicare. They also don't want to be taxed. They want taxes on the rich to go up instead. They think we can balance the budget by cutting foreign aid and government workers. IOW, Americans ARE confused about all this.

The deficit is $1.5 trillion, or 10% of the economy. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, even if we do not default - which I think is unlikely - then we will start contracting the economy at a rate twice as great as the depth of the Financial Crisis. Removing 10% of spending will increase unemployment. In polling, Americans say they want jobs. Not lifting the debt ceiling will destroy jobs, not create them, at least in the immediate term.

Well said Toro. I've been trying to explain the issue throughout the thread, but maybe you'll have better luck with some of them.

 

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There are some people on this board that, instead of addressing the substance of a thread attack the source of the news article. They never address the validity of the point, but rather denigrate the source as if that is proving anything.

How about you show me a poll that proves the OP to be false, or address anything in the OP.

Also using Wikipedia as the source discrediting the truthfulness of Newsmax is humorous.

Cons attack the source regularly on this board.

 

[Toro]

Some of us just voted against Kerry but not exactly pro spendaholic Bush. Bush lost me after Katrina 2005.

my friend Immanuel, who posts here, was the same...he voted ''against kerry'' in 2004, and he stopped supporting president bush AFTER katrina....and when he got tired of counting the men killed in iraq.....

i didn't know there were others similar to him....but u pretty much do....less iraq.

I went through Katrina.... Blanco and Nagin were the real culprits here. Blaming Bush is absurd.

I agree with this. However, Bush's response was poor. Symbolism matters in politics, and Bush appeared to be nonchalant about Katrina for the first few days after the storm.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Hey it is now your 'Sacred patriotic Duty" to raise the Debt Limit. Well that's according to the Democrats anyway. Nice Flip-Flop there Dems. How convenient. What a scam.

 

[Modbert]

Hey it is now your 'Sacred patriotic Duty" to raise the Debt Limit. Well that's according to the Democrats anyway. Nice Flip-Flop there Dems. How convenient. What a scam.

Do you have anything to actually to add to the discussion or are you just going to spam like you always do?

 

[Toro]

The best way to describe not raising the debt ceiling would be to default on 30% of your credit card payments instantly. Let's ask Americans in a poll and see how many think that's a good idea.

The debt will get serviced. Perhaps we can stop sending welfare checks, congresional paychecks, the POTUS' check, governemnt workers checks, etc.

You don't know that the debt will get serviced. It may, or it may not. Nobody knows. That's part of the problem.