600,000 more jobs lost in January...

[Shogun]

and the Republicans want to give these people a payroll tax cut.

What good is a tax cut when you don't have a salary?

well as an employer of over 250 and watching that fall......

if you cut payroll taxes the that creates capital that i can spend by:

doing marketing to get more work.......buying software or hardware to better compete.....not cuting slaries across the board ....keeping an extra employee or two a bit longer hoping for work to break......retiring debt.....

or i can give it to the government and they can give it companies that have already proved they don't know what they are doing and "hope they change" and get it right this time.....

OR, you'll do what your kind always does: take a salary increase and enjoy making up the difference ANYWAY by laying people off, marginalizing your labor cost and throwing added cost at consumers. If capitalistas were as benevolent as you suggest we wouldn't need to hear this kind of repetitive bullshit every time someone spanks your hand away from the embedded class cookie jar.

 

[Shogun]

well as an employer of over 250 and watching that fall......

if you cut payroll taxes the that creates capital that i can spend by:

doing marketing to get more work.......buying software or hardware to better compete.....not cuting slaries across the board ....keeping an extra employee or two a bit longer hoping for work to break......retiring debt.....

or i can give it to the government and they can give it companies that have already proved they don't know what they are doing and "hope they change" and get it right this time.....

If we cut your taxes anymore, you'll just give it all to your ceo and vp's. You won't hire any more people than you need to.

Read this to see how much Reagan & Bush have already cut corporate taxes. And read about how corporations take advantage of our roads, schools, police, courts, actually MORE than the average citizen does, so they really need to pay their fair share of taxes. If you do away with anything, do away with the income tax.

ThomHartmann.com - Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

So this is why the treasury is empty. You can't keep cutting taxes until corporations don't pay any. Did you even see the story that came out late last year? Most US Companies paid zero in taxes. How about the story about how firms like Lehman found a loophole that allowed overseas companies to avoid paying taxes when they sent their money back home? I don't think you people understand what the GOP did the last 8 years. I was warning you, but clearly you weren't listening, because you continue to parrot the GOP montra of more tax breaks. You lost, now it is our turn to lead.

So the economy has to get better. That means people making things and selling them and that means people buying them. Not buying things from China or Mexico, but from Americans. American employees and we need you to pay them American wages. If your company can't afford to pay American wages, we don't need you doing business in America.

Most of those people that lost their jobs will find jobs that pay less. That's a fact. So don't expect them to pay off their homes or buy new cars, or buy your products/services.

I heard cutting FICA would put $1500 in both the Employee & Employers pocket?

You can market all you want, no one is buying. Do you manufacture something or are you a service industry? We need more manufacturing jobs. Or, do you sell a company manufactured in another country? We need to give corporations that manufacture 70% of their product inside the US a tax break, and tariff/tax the ones that don't. That'll bring jobs home. Please don't scare us by calling me a "protectionist or isolationist". That's getting old.

I think corporations have been sending jobs overseas and hiring illegals, and even F1 legal worker visas, all to lower wages. When there aren't enough jobs, corporations get to lower wages.

yea that is what i will do ..... we are construction industry based .... all US based ... all local .... everyone must prove they are legal to work ....

which company do you run and how many people do you employ.....

First off, I do HR at a company that employs over 300 at my branch alone. Second, proving a legal status to work doesn't indicate that you have any interest in saying whatever you need to say in order to preserve YOUR little salary niche, labor cost be damned, with all the rhetorical bullshit. Your ranting is the same reason why the caviar class is crying about salary caps. Trust me, no one empathizes with the silver spoon lifestyle that you are trying to justify.

 

[Meister]

If we cut your taxes anymore, you'll just give it all to your ceo and vp's. You won't hire any more people than you need to.

Read this to see how much Reagan & Bush have already cut corporate taxes. And read about how corporations take advantage of our roads, schools, police, courts, actually MORE than the average citizen does, so they really need to pay their fair share of taxes. If you do away with anything, do away with the income tax.

ThomHartmann.com - Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

So this is why the treasury is empty. You can't keep cutting taxes until corporations don't pay any. Did you even see the story that came out late last year? Most US Companies paid zero in taxes. How about the story about how firms like Lehman found a loophole that allowed overseas companies to avoid paying taxes when they sent their money back home? I don't think you people understand what the GOP did the last 8 years. I was warning you, but clearly you weren't listening, because you continue to parrot the GOP montra of more tax breaks. You lost, now it is our turn to lead.

So the economy has to get better. That means people making things and selling them and that means people buying them. Not buying things from China or Mexico, but from Americans. American employees and we need you to pay them American wages. If your company can't afford to pay American wages, we don't need you doing business in America.

Most of those people that lost their jobs will find jobs that pay less. That's a fact. So don't expect them to pay off their homes or buy new cars, or buy your products/services.

I heard cutting FICA would put $1500 in both the Employee & Employers pocket?

You can market all you want, no one is buying. Do you manufacture something or are you a service industry? We need more manufacturing jobs. Or, do you sell a company manufactured in another country? We need to give corporations that manufacture 70% of their product inside the US a tax break, and tariff/tax the ones that don't. That'll bring jobs home. Please don't scare us by calling me a "protectionist or isolationist". That's getting old.

I think corporations have been sending jobs overseas and hiring illegals, and even F1 legal worker visas, all to lower wages. When there aren't enough jobs, corporations get to lower wages.

yea that is what i will do ..... we are construction industry based .... all US based ... all local .... everyone must prove they are legal to work ....

which company do you run and how many people do you employ.....

First off, I do HR at a company that employs over 300 at my branch alone. Second, proving a legal status to work doesn't indicate that you have any interest in saying whatever you need to say in order to preserve YOUR little salary niche, labor cost be damned, with all the rhetorical bullshit. Your ranting is the same reason why the caviar class is crying about salary caps. Trust me, no one empathizes with the silver spoon lifestyle that you are trying to justify.

Shogun, after reading your 2 posts, it's obvious to me, and problably many more that you don't know what the hell your talking about. So go back to your HR cubicle, and push paper OK?

 

[Shogun]

yea that is what i will do ..... we are construction industry based .... all US based ... all local .... everyone must prove they are legal to work ....

which company do you run and how many people do you employ.....

First off, I do HR at a company that employs over 300 at my branch alone. Second, proving a legal status to work doesn't indicate that you have any interest in saying whatever you need to say in order to preserve YOUR little salary niche, labor cost be damned, with all the rhetorical bullshit. Your ranting is the same reason why the caviar class is crying about salary caps. Trust me, no one empathizes with the silver spoon lifestyle that you are trying to justify.

Shogun, after reading your 2 posts, it's obvious to me, and problably many more that you don't know what the hell your talking about. So go back to your HR cubicle, and push paper OK?

CONVINCING POST! WOW! Did you break a sweat and have to loosen your tie after posting that?



If this is the sum total of your effort here then I predict that you won't be here long. Now, go back to sucking CEO dick and spare me your empty suit opinions.

 

[Meister]

Hey shogun, don't get your panties in a bunch. I was just stating my opinion. A little thin skinned, aren't you?

 

[Shogun]

Hey shogun, don't get your panties in a bunch. I was just stating my opinion. A little thin skinned, aren't you?

Not at all. If this is what your opinion amounts to then I look forward to handing your ass to you in these threads. After all.. nothing says that someone ELSE doesn't know what they are talking about.. quite like.. your opinion.

 

[Meister]

Hey shogun, don't get your panties in a bunch. I was just stating my opinion. A little thin skinned, aren't you?

Not at all. If this is what your opinion amounts to then I look forward to handing your ass to you in these threads. After all.. nothing says that someone ELSE doesn't know what they are talking about.. quite like.. your opinion.

Hey, I was hoping you knew what you were talking about. But, my hope fell short, that's all. By the way, It's not like I told you to stick your head up your ass and roll down a sidewalk. So don't take it so personally. Peace bro

 

[Shogun]

Hey shogun, don't get your panties in a bunch. I was just stating my opinion. A little thin skinned, aren't you?

Not at all. If this is what your opinion amounts to then I look forward to handing your ass to you in these threads. After all.. nothing says that someone ELSE doesn't know what they are talking about.. quite like.. your opinion.

Hey, I was hoping you knew what you were talking about. But, my hope fell short, that's all. By the way, It's not like I told you to stick your head up your ass and roll down a sidewalk. So don't take it so personally. Peace bro

You'll have to forgive me for assuming that a noob who thinks he's the gatekeeper of who knows what would have provided supporting evidence by now. I know, it's weird how some of us look for more than reflexive rhetoric following the application of.. uh.. your opinion. By all means, if you have something to stand on besides your less than impressive input thus far feel free to shock this monkey and post it.

by the way, welcome to the forum.