60 years ago, Edward Murrow took down Joe Mccarthy

[Picaro]

"When discussing McCarthy himself, the only people who are relevant are" everyone tainted by suspicion and innuendo and slander.

Wrong. Not everyone suspected of being a Communist is relevant because there were thousands upon thousands of such weasels, and McCarthy's hearings only concerned the few who held sensitive posts in the State Dept. and the Military.

I would never have been hauled in to testify because I have never been a member of the Communist party. I never took orders directly from Joseph Stalin, an official enemy of the United States, as did all members if the Communist Party during the McCarthy era.

Communist agents will always lie, especially those operating under false flags and claiming to be 'anti-communists', so we can't take your posts as credible or truthful.

 

[Picaro]

You are either the most ignorant person posting on this message board or one of the biggest liars.

Translation: You can't produce a single name of an innocent person who McCarthy "ruined."

You're just another fellow traveler.

No one wants to take your bait. It is obvious that you will use your own convenient interpretation and definitions for words like "innocent" and "ruined". All the people accused by McCarthy were technically innocent because non of them was convicted of being communist spys or agents. Not a single one. But McCarthites defend him by pointing out various testimonies and documents that "prove" McCarthy was right. They conveniently ignore the ultra all American constitutional concept that people are innocent until proven quilty. And what is "ruined"? Who decides what level of damage must be done to ones reputation to determine if it is in any way "ruined". Why should any person have the mark of suspicion placed on them by a powerful Senator who may decide to abuse his power for political gain.

Gen. Ralph Zwicker was a highly decorated WWII war hero who happened to have been the commander of an officier that was an Army dentist by the name of Irving Peress. Maj. Peress became a primary target of McCarthy for his "communist activities". The Major was a stateside Dentist performing his duties of taking care of soldiers teeth in New Jersey. Unfortunately for the Major, he had refused to answer some questions about his past affiliations on some Army applications. McCarthy had learned about the officiers refusal. The Army was OK with it, happy to have a good Dentist and not the least bit concerned about who he had affiliated with in his youth or while in college. Nor did they seem concerned that the Major might be tempted to give dental secrets to Stalin.

Maj. Peress's commanding officier was required to testify at Sen. McCarthy's hearing and explain how he had allowed this communist infiltrator, in the form of a dentist to, infiltrate his command. So the battle hardened Gen, Zwicker, with two Silver Stars on his chest, was forced sit in front of McCarthy and politely take his abuse and listen to McCarthy's accusations and insults.
The General gave Maj. Peress an honorable discharge and the dispicable show put on by McCathy as he abused this hero of WWII on live TV turned out to be more than the country was willing to tolerate. It was the beginning of the McCarthy take down. It was the turning point when even his supporters and friends turned against him. His fall and finish as a lonely drunken dispised looser is now history. Some of the country had accepted his ill treatment of actors, writers, artist and even government beauracrats to some degree, but when he applied his tricks to veterans, active military and war heroes his crap came to an end.

Yes. An excellent way to lower morale and readiness is to undermine military health care for troops; sowing disinformation and generating paranoia about dentists would be on the commie agenda; McCarthy was well trained by Moscow.

 

[bripat9643]

"When discussing McCarthy himself, the only people who are relevant are" everyone tainted by suspicion and innuendo and slander.

Wrong. Not everyone suspected of being a Communist is relevant because there were thousands upon thousands of such weasels, and McCarthy's hearings only concerned the few who held sensitive posts in the State Dept. and the Military.

I would never have been hauled in to testify because I have never been a member of the Communist party. I never took orders directly from Joseph Stalin, an official enemy of the United States, as did all members if the Communist Party during the McCarthy era.

Communist agents will always lie, especially those operating under false flags and claiming to be 'anti-communists', so we can't take your posts as credible or truthful.

Your theory that McCarthy was a communist agent is charming.

 

[Camp]

Wrong. Not everyone suspected of being a Communist is relevant because there were thousands upon thousands of such weasels, and McCarthy's hearings only concerned the few who held sensitive posts in the State Dept. and the Military.

I would never have been hauled in to testify because I have never been a member of the Communist party. I never took orders directly from Joseph Stalin, an official enemy of the United States, as did all members if the Communist Party during the McCarthy era.

Communist agents will always lie, especially those operating under false flags and claiming to be 'anti-communists', so we can't take your posts as credible or truthful.

Your theory that McCarthy was a communist agent is charming.

Makes more sense than the generic propaganda you put out. At least it offers a different area and idea to consider.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"When discussing McCarthy himself, the only people who are relevant are" everyone tainted by suspicion and innuendo and slander.

Wrong. Not everyone suspected of being a Communist is relevant because there were thousands upon thousands of such weasels, and McCarthy's hearings only concerned the few who held sensitive posts in the State Dept. and the Military.

If bripat had been hauled in to testify as the anarchist he is, he would be screaming to the high heavens.

I would never have been hauled in to testify because I have never been a member of the Communist party. I never took orders directly from Joseph Stalin, an official enemy of the United States, as did all members if the Communist Party during the McCarthy era.

Neither did many of those whose careers and lives were ruined by his asssinine witchhunt.

And, being communist is legal.

I remember when Democrats used to at least pretend they were against Communism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I don't have to name names, he was a drunk (see how he died) and there is an historical record of his excesses. He was a monster who harmed the lives of others for personal gain.

See:
McCarthyTimeline

The so-called "historical record" is all fellow traveler and commie propaganda. Whether he was a "drunk" or not is beside the point. For the record, McCarthy didn't drink anymore than a typical Washington politician. he nursed a single drink all night.

You and the rest of your Komrades keep claiming he "harmed the lives of others for personal gain." If that's so, then why can't you name anyone he supposedly harmed who wasn't a communist? The answer is that you can't because there is no such person.

Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."

You are either the most ignorant person posting on this message board or one of the biggest liars.

So why can't you give us a single name, Freddo?

Zero Mostel?

Come on, someone, anyone!

 

[TooTall]

...and this, ladies and gentleman, is the tragic result of home schooling....

And your posts are but tired cliches which state nothing more than the conventional dumbness of the day.

You help perpetuate other's ignorance like your own.

Also, for trivia buffs, "Tailgunner Joe's" career was the inspiration for the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate" in 1962. The candidate for VP in the movie was based on Joe's career. The character is an undercover dupe of the Chinese communists, forever waving pieces of paper purportedly listing names of communists in the State Department. When he complains to his "handler" (his wife), that she is always changing the number of communists that he is exposing, she replies, "Just keep yelling "point of order". to the chairman of the House un-American Activities Committee. Nobody is asking IF there are communists in the State Department. They are asking "How MANY communists are in the State department".

And Mojo, I was watching when Joe was destroying people and their careers, in order to advance his own career. You were not. Murrow took him down, and when Joe looked for support in his own party, even Ike turned his back on him. The man was evil personified. He was a fraud, and opportunist, and a drunk. He was also the most dangerous man in politics that this country has ever seen. He even went after George Marshall, who was the senior military officer in WW2.

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why would a Senator be yelling "point of order" to the chairman of the House un-American committee?

 

[bripat9643]

You are either the most ignorant person posting on this message board or one of the biggest liars.

Translation: You can't produce a single name of an innocent person who McCarthy "ruined."

You're just another fellow traveler.

No one wants to take your bait. It is obvious that you will use your own convenient interpretation and definitions for words like "innocent" and "ruined". All the people accused by McCarthy were technically innocent because non of them was convicted of being communist spys or agents. Not a single one. But McCarthites defend him by pointing out various testimonies and documents that "prove" McCarthy was right. They conveniently ignore the ultra all American constitutional concept that people are innocent until proven quilty. And what is "ruined"? Who decides what level of damage must be done to ones reputation to determine if it is in any way "ruined". Why should any person have the mark of suspicion placed on them by a powerful Senator who may decide to abuse his power for political gain.

One thing everyone following this debate needs to understand is that the government doesn't require proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" to fire someone who is a security risk. Anyone who has ever applied for a security clearance knows that even suspicion of questionable activities can get you canned. I know a number of people who have security clearances, and they break out into a cold sweat if you even start discussing certain subjects, like anything that might be illegal. they can lose their security clearances and their jobs simply by failing a polygraph test where the question asked was "have you discussed illegal activities with any friends or associates?"

The legal standards for a court trial don't apply to maintaining employment in sensitive government positions. Fellow travelers like you have capitalized on the fact that the public doesn't understand such realities. The so-called "victims" were "innocent" only according to a standard that isn't relevant. Scumbags who want to destroy the United States take advantage of this ignorance to damage U.S security and those who work to preserve it.

Gen. Ralph Zwicker was a highly decorated WWII war hero who happened to have been the commander of an officier that was an Army dentist by the name of Irving Peress. Maj. Peress became a primary target of McCarthy for his "communist activities". The Major was a stateside Dentist performing his duties of taking care of soldiers teeth in New Jersey. Unfortunately for the Major, he had refused to answer some questions about his past affiliations on some Army applications. McCarthy had learned about the officiers refusal. The Army was OK with it, happy to have a good Dentist and not the least bit concerned about who he had affiliated with in his youth or while in college. Nor did they seem concerned that the Major might be tempted to give dental secrets to Stalin.

Maj. Peress's commanding officier was required to testify at Sen. McCarthy's hearing and explain how he had allowed this communist infiltrator, in the form of a dentist to, infiltrate his command. So the battle hardened Gen, Zwicker, with two Silver Stars on his chest, was forced sit in front of McCarthy and politely take his abuse and listen to McCarthy's accusations and insults.
The General gave Maj. Peress an honorable discharge and the dispicable show put on by McCathy as he abused this hero of WWII on live TV turned out to be more than the country was willing to tolerate. It was the beginning of the McCarthy take down. It was the turning point when even his supporters and friends turned against him. His fall and finish as a lonely drunken dispised looser is now history. Some of the country had accepted his ill treatment of actors, writers, artist and even government beauracrats to some degree, but when he applied his tricks to veterans, active military and war heroes his crap came to an end.

I agree with Ann Coulter

McCarthy was castigated for attacking General Ralph Zwicker who was portrayed by the media and the liberals as a staunch and honest army officer. But in testimony before the McClellan Committee on March 23, 1955, Zwicker denied giving McCarthy aide George Anastos derogatory information about Irving Peress, – who McCarthy charged had been promoted despite the fact he was a communist – in their telephone conversation of January 22, 1954.

When Anastos and the secretary who had monitored the conversation both testified under oath and contradicted Zwicker, the McClellan Committee forwarded the transcript of the hearing to the Justice Department for possible prosecution of Zwicker for perjury.

McCarthy had been investigating lax security at Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey. He was attacked on the grounds that there was no security problem there, where Zwicker held a command.

In his 1979 book "With No Apologies," Barry Goldwater wrote that "Carl Hayden, who in January 1955 became chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee of the United States Senate, told me privately Monmouth had been moved because he and other members of the majority Democratic Party were convinced security at Monmouth had been penetrated. They didn’t want to admit that McCarthy was right in his accusations. Their only alternative was to move the installation from New Jersey to a new location in Arizona."

Your claim that "the army was OK with it" is pure bullshit. In the first place, the army doesn't get to make that decision. There are regulations about the kinds of outside activities that are allowed to officers in the military. Being a member of the communist party isn't one that is allowed.

President Eisenhower, the Republican all you fellow travelers hold up as an example for the rest of us, signed executive order 10450, which states plainly that should extensive investigations reveal that if any questions existed concerning the fitness of a government employee from the standpoint of national security, that person should be discharged. Gen. Zwicker failed to do his duty, and then he lied about it to Congress.

Gen. Zwicker wasn't innocent and neither was Irving Peress.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And your posts are but tired cliches which state nothing more than the conventional dumbness of the day.

You help perpetuate other's ignorance like your own.

Also, for trivia buffs, "Tailgunner Joe's" career was the inspiration for the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate" in 1962. The candidate for VP in the movie was based on Joe's career. The character is an undercover dupe of the Chinese communists, forever waving pieces of paper purportedly listing names of communists in the State Department. When he complains to his "handler" (his wife), that she is always changing the number of communists that he is exposing, she replies, "Just keep yelling "point of order". to the chairman of the House un-American Activities Committee. Nobody is asking IF there are communists in the State Department. They are asking "How MANY communists are in the State department".

And Mojo, I was watching when Joe was destroying people and their careers, in order to advance his own career. You were not. Murrow took him down, and when Joe looked for support in his own party, even Ike turned his back on him. The man was evil personified. He was a fraud, and opportunist, and a drunk. He was also the most dangerous man in politics that this country has ever seen. He even went after George Marshall, who was the senior military officer in WW2.

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why would a Senator be yelling "point of order" to the chairman of the House un-American committee?

Liberal response:

Er, McCarthyism! My uncle was a Hollywood writer and he was blacklisted by McCarthy!

Progressives are the biggest liars on the planet and they've been spreading the McCarthy lies for 3 generation now

 

[CrusaderFrank]

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

 

[Howey]

Yep, incredibly moronic.

Yes. They both were. As are you.

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

Liar.

McCarthy charges communists are in the CIA ? History.com This Day in History ? 6/2/1954

Senator Joseph McCarthy charges that communists have infiltrated the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the atomic weapons industry. Although McCarthy's accusations created a momentary controversy, they were quickly dismissed as mere sensationalism from a man whose career was rapidly slipping away.

Senator McCarthy first made a name for himself in 1950 when he charged that over 200 "known communists" were in the Department of State. During the next few years, he alleged that communists were in nearly every branch of the U.S. government. His reckless accusations helped to create what came to be known as the Red Scare, a time when Americans feared that communists were infiltrating all aspects of American government and life. Despite the fact that McCarthy never managed to unearth a single communist, his ability to whip up public hysteria and smear opponents as communist sympathizers made him front-page news for several years. By 1954, however, his power was slipping. His earlier charges had been leveled at the Democratic administration of President Harry S. Truman, and Republicans had embraced McCarthy as a useful weapon. When Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower stepped into the presidency in 1953, however, McCarthy's wild accusations became a nuisance and source of embarrassment to the Republican Party.

Sensing that his base of power was eroding, in 1954 McCarthy embarked on a spectacularly unsuccessful effort to recapture public support by opening investigations into alleged communist infiltration of the U.S. Army. By early June 1954, the McCarthy-Army hearings had been going on for nearly a month. This was the first opportunity for the American public to get a firsthand view of McCarthy, as the hearings were televised. His bullying style and hysterical behavior quickly turned off the audience. In a desperate attempt to regain momentum, McCarthy charged that communists had also infiltrated the CIA and atomic weapons industry. No one took the charges seriously, and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, his brother, CIA Director Allen Dulles, and President Eisenhower brusquely dismissed McCarthy's accusations as reckless and without basis.

Just a few weeks later, McCarthy was thoroughly disgraced when the lawyer for the U.S. Army, Joseph Welch, gave him a devastatingly effective tongue-lashing, which ended with Welch asking the senator whether he had any sense of "decency" at all. The McCarthy-Army hearings collapsed soon thereafter, and the U.S. Senate voted to censure McCarthy. He died, still holding office, in 1957.

Re: Bolded parts. Looks like I was absolutely right to compare McCarthy with Issa, huh?

 

[Camp]

And your posts are but tired cliches which state nothing more than the conventional dumbness of the day.

You help perpetuate other's ignorance like your own.

Also, for trivia buffs, "Tailgunner Joe's" career was the inspiration for the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate" in 1962. The candidate for VP in the movie was based on Joe's career. The character is an undercover dupe of the Chinese communists, forever waving pieces of paper purportedly listing names of communists in the State Department. When he complains to his "handler" (his wife), that she is always changing the number of communists that he is exposing, she replies, "Just keep yelling "point of order". to the chairman of the House un-American Activities Committee. Nobody is asking IF there are communists in the State Department. They are asking "How MANY communists are in the State department".

And Mojo, I was watching when Joe was destroying people and their careers, in order to advance his own career. You were not. Murrow took him down, and when Joe looked for support in his own party, even Ike turned his back on him. The man was evil personified. He was a fraud, and opportunist, and a drunk. He was also the most dangerous man in politics that this country has ever seen. He even went after George Marshall, who was the senior military officer in WW2.

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why would a Senator be yelling "point of order" to the chairman of the House un-American committee?

Because it was a movie and the part that portrayed McCarthy was made a Representative instead of a Senator.

 

[TooTall]

60 Years Ago, Edward R. Murrow Took Down Joseph McCarthy

Murrow on McCarthy, no fear, 1954 - YouTube

This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

"He didn't create this situation of fear, he merely exploited it, and rather successfully."

1954 was four years before I was born. Has anybody here studied the McCarthy era?

The comparisons between McCarthy and Issa are incredible.

No comparison whatsoever. Issa is doing the oversight that is the sworn duty of members of Congress. McCarthy was naming enemies of the United States who believed in the violent overthrow of our system of government.

That part of "both foreign and domestic" in the Constitution.

 

[TooTall]

Also, for trivia buffs, "Tailgunner Joe's" career was the inspiration for the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate" in 1962. The candidate for VP in the movie was based on Joe's career. The character is an undercover dupe of the Chinese communists, forever waving pieces of paper purportedly listing names of communists in the State Department. When he complains to his "handler" (his wife), that she is always changing the number of communists that he is exposing, she replies, "Just keep yelling "point of order". to the chairman of the House un-American Activities Committee. Nobody is asking IF there are communists in the State Department. They are asking "How MANY communists are in the State department".

And Mojo, I was watching when Joe was destroying people and their careers, in order to advance his own career. You were not. Murrow took him down, and when Joe looked for support in his own party, even Ike turned his back on him. The man was evil personified. He was a fraud, and opportunist, and a drunk. He was also the most dangerous man in politics that this country has ever seen. He even went after George Marshall, who was the senior military officer in WW2.

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why would a Senator be yelling "point of order" to the chairman of the House un-American committee?

Because it was a movie and the part that portrayed McCarthy was made a Representative instead of a Senator.

What other outright nonsense did Hollywood put in the movie to poison the well against McCarthy?

 

[Howey]

60 Years Ago, Edward R. Murrow Took Down Joseph McCarthy

Murrow on McCarthy, no fear, 1954 - YouTube





"He didn't create this situation of fear, he merely exploited it, and rather successfully."

1954 was four years before I was born. Has anybody here studied the McCarthy era?

The comparisons between McCarthy and Issa are incredible.

No comparison whatsoever. Issa is doing the oversight that is the sworn duty of members of Congress. McCarthy was naming enemies of the United States who believed in the violent overthrow of our system of government.

That part of "both foreign and domestic" in the Constitution.

Issa's Enemy List

 

[Camp]

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

I named two. Gen. Zwicker and Maj. Peress. The ridiculous response I got in return was that the Gen. was a liar because a McCarthy aide claimed he lied in a phone conversation and the aide could prove it because his secretary heard the General lie too. The allegation was mocked and the request for a perjury charge be made against Zwicker was ignored.

Other evidence was that Sen. Goldwater, a friend of McCarthy, wrote a book. A conversation was mentioned in the book that another Senator told a story about having been told by some other Senators that some folks believed the story and that that was the cause of some specific action being taken against or for the Army to protect it from Gen. Zwicker and the communist at some specific New Jersey base. Oh ya, the base that got moved to Sen. Goldwater's state, Arizona. It had to be moved there because of the commie's and their influence over Gen. Zwicker the war hero. Please do better Frank. At least make your response interesting and a little believable.

Think you mentioned Owen Lattimore and Lauchin Currie awhile back. Were either one of them ever convicted of being spys or communist agents or do those cases come under the heresay, maybe, hey we believe it kind of categories? Those should be easy ones since a confession, albiet questionable, and the Verona papers should be of assistance.

And what was that Overseas Library Program that got over 30,000 books taken off library shelves all about? Did any of the authors of those books suffer from being accused of writing communist books and being "fellow travelers"? Probably didn't have much effect on Henry David Thoreau's CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE since it had been on the shelves for over a hundred years already by the time McCarthy decided it promoted communism.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yep, incredibly moronic.

Yes. They both were. As are you.

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

Liar.

McCarthy charges communists are in the CIA ? History.com This Day in History ? 6/2/1954

Senator Joseph McCarthy charges that communists have infiltrated the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the atomic weapons industry. Although McCarthy's accusations created a momentary controversy, they were quickly dismissed as mere sensationalism from a man whose career was rapidly slipping away.

Senator McCarthy first made a name for himself in 1950 when he charged that over 200 "known communists" were in the Department of State. During the next few years, he alleged that communists were in nearly every branch of the U.S. government. His reckless accusations helped to create what came to be known as the Red Scare, a time when Americans feared that communists were infiltrating all aspects of American government and life. Despite the fact that McCarthy never managed to unearth a single communist, his ability to whip up public hysteria and smear opponents as communist sympathizers made him front-page news for several years. By 1954, however, his power was slipping. His earlier charges had been leveled at the Democratic administration of President Harry S. Truman, and Republicans had embraced McCarthy as a useful weapon. When Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower stepped into the presidency in 1953, however, McCarthy's wild accusations became a nuisance and source of embarrassment to the Republican Party.

Sensing that his base of power was eroding, in 1954 McCarthy embarked on a spectacularly unsuccessful effort to recapture public support by opening investigations into alleged communist infiltration of the U.S. Army. By early June 1954, the McCarthy-Army hearings had been going on for nearly a month. This was the first opportunity for the American public to get a firsthand view of McCarthy, as the hearings were televised. His bullying style and hysterical behavior quickly turned off the audience. In a desperate attempt to regain momentum, McCarthy charged that communists had also infiltrated the CIA and atomic weapons industry. No one took the charges seriously, and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, his brother, CIA Director Allen Dulles, and President Eisenhower brusquely dismissed McCarthy's accusations as reckless and without basis.

Just a few weeks later, McCarthy was thoroughly disgraced when the lawyer for the U.S. Army, Joseph Welch, gave him a devastatingly effective tongue-lashing, which ended with Welch asking the senator whether he had any sense of "decency" at all. The McCarthy-Army hearings collapsed soon thereafter, and the U.S. Senate voted to censure McCarthy. He died, still holding office, in 1957.

Re: Bolded parts. Looks like I was absolutely right to compare McCarthy with Issa, huh?

The Rosenberg's vindicate McCarthy on our nuclear program being penetrated, sockgirl

Also the person Welch was defending with his "no decency" hysteria turns out to have been a Commie

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

 

[bripat9643]

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

I named two. Gen. Zwicker and Maj. Peress. The ridiculous response I got in return was that the Gen. was a liar because a McCarthy aide claimed he lied in a phone conversation and the aide could prove it because his secretary heard the General lie too. The allegation was mocked and the request for a perjury charge be made against Zwicker was ignored.

So two witnesses testified that they heard General Zwicker make statements that contradicted his testimony before Congress, and we are not supposed to accept it as evidence? Many people have gone to prison on less evidence than that. If two witnesses said they heard Skooter Libby revealing Valery Plames identity to the press, would you mock that? Of course you wouldn't. You'd engage in the usual libturd sanctimonious outrage,. and accuse Libby of being a traitor just like all the other leftwing hypocrites did.

Other evidence was that Sen. Goldwater, a friend of McCarthy, wrote a book. A conversation was mentioned in the book that another Senator told a story about having been told by some other Senators that some folks believed the story and that that was the cause of some specific action being taken against or for the Army to protect it from Gen. Zwicker and the communist at some specific New Jersey base. Oh ya, the base that got moved to Sen. Goldwater's state, Arizona. It had to be moved there because of the commie's and their influence over Gen. Zwicker the war hero. Please do better Frank. At least make your response interesting and a little believable.

Huh?

Think you mentioned Owen Lattimore and Lauchin Currie awhile back. Were either one of them ever convicted of being spys or communist agents or do those cases come under the heresay, maybe, hey we believe it kind of categories? Those should be easy ones since a confession, albiet questionable, and the Verona papers should be of assistance.

Lattimore may not have been a member of the Communist party, but he was certainly a fellow traveler who did everything in his power to assist the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin and to help Mao Tse Tung prevail in China. He was a traitor. You can read all about him and his subversive activities here:

FrontPage Magazine - Reviving Owen Lattimore's Slander

Lauchlin Currie's is mentioned in the Venona papers, and the evidence against him is even more incriminating. You can read some of it here:

H-Net Discussion Networks - Venona and Lauchlin Currie [Haynes/Klehr]

Currie and Lattimore are the worst of the worst. The evidence against them is massive. Anyone who would defend these two has to be a fellow traveler.

And what was that Overseas Library Program that got over 30,000 books taken off library shelves all about? Did any of the authors of those books suffer from being accused of writing communist books and being "fellow travelers"? Probably didn't have much effect on Henry David Thoreau's CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE since it had been on the shelves for over a hundred years already by the time McCarthy decided it promoted communism.

The Overseas Library Program was a government program. The books were purchased by the US government. The government is free to choose which books it purchases and stocks on its shelves and which books it doesn't. Apparently your idea of "suffering" is for the government not to patronize your wares. We're all "suffering" if that's the case. The government didn't take any books "off the shelves" other than its own. Your attempt to insinuate censorship of some kind is dishonest and contemptible.

 

[bripat9643]

Yep, incredibly moronic.

Yes. They both were. As are you.

List of Innocent People who were named by McCarthy:

End of list

Liar.

McCarthy charges communists are in the CIA ? History.com This Day in History ? 6/2/1954

Senator Joseph McCarthy charges that communists have infiltrated the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the atomic weapons industry. Although McCarthy's accusations created a momentary controversy, they were quickly dismissed as mere sensationalism from a man whose career was rapidly slipping away.

Senator McCarthy first made a name for himself in 1950 when he charged that over 200 "known communists" were in the Department of State. During the next few years, he alleged that communists were in nearly every branch of the U.S. government. His reckless accusations helped to create what came to be known as the Red Scare, a time when Americans feared that communists were infiltrating all aspects of American government and life. Despite the fact that McCarthy never managed to unearth a single communist, his ability to whip up public hysteria and smear opponents as communist sympathizers made him front-page news for several years. By 1954, however, his power was slipping. His earlier charges had been leveled at the Democratic administration of President Harry S. Truman, and Republicans had embraced McCarthy as a useful weapon. When Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower stepped into the presidency in 1953, however, McCarthy's wild accusations became a nuisance and source of embarrassment to the Republican Party.

Sensing that his base of power was eroding, in 1954 McCarthy embarked on a spectacularly unsuccessful effort to recapture public support by opening investigations into alleged communist infiltration of the U.S. Army. By early June 1954, the McCarthy-Army hearings had been going on for nearly a month. This was the first opportunity for the American public to get a firsthand view of McCarthy, as the hearings were televised. His bullying style and hysterical behavior quickly turned off the audience. In a desperate attempt to regain momentum, McCarthy charged that communists had also infiltrated the CIA and atomic weapons industry. No one took the charges seriously, and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, his brother, CIA Director Allen Dulles, and President Eisenhower brusquely dismissed McCarthy's accusations as reckless and without basis.

Just a few weeks later, McCarthy was thoroughly disgraced when the lawyer for the U.S. Army, Joseph Welch, gave him a devastatingly effective tongue-lashing, which ended with Welch asking the senator whether he had any sense of "decency" at all. The McCarthy-Army hearings collapsed soon thereafter, and the U.S. Senate voted to censure McCarthy. He died, still holding office, in 1957.

Re: Bolded parts. Looks like I was absolutely right to compare McCarthy with Issa, huh?

Your claim that he never unearthed a single communist is clearly false.

 

[bripat9643]

Also, for trivia buffs, "Tailgunner Joe's" career was the inspiration for the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate" in 1962. The candidate for VP in the movie was based on Joe's career. The character is an undercover dupe of the Chinese communists, forever waving pieces of paper purportedly listing names of communists in the State Department. When he complains to his "handler" (his wife), that she is always changing the number of communists that he is exposing, she replies, "Just keep yelling "point of order". to the chairman of the House un-American Activities Committee. Nobody is asking IF there are communists in the State Department. They are asking "How MANY communists are in the State department".

And Mojo, I was watching when Joe was destroying people and their careers, in order to advance his own career. You were not. Murrow took him down, and when Joe looked for support in his own party, even Ike turned his back on him. The man was evil personified. He was a fraud, and opportunist, and a drunk. He was also the most dangerous man in politics that this country has ever seen. He even went after George Marshall, who was the senior military officer in WW2.

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Why would a Senator be yelling "point of order" to the chairman of the House un-American committee?

Because it was a movie and the part that portrayed McCarthy was made a Representative instead of a Senator.

Yep, it was a movie. That means it was fiction. It proves exactly nothing.