52% of GOP voters and 41% of Dems want to split the country

[Confederate Soldier]

I'm torn on the subject...............

 

[toobfreak]

Half of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off.

52% of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union

According to the poll from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat favor the idea of seceding from the US,

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Democrat Party has split our country.
They work very hard to divide Americans by gender, race, religion, region, class and age.
This can be seen everyday with the Democrat Hate Machine's Press and Hollywood propagandists.
The Democrat Party's corruption, ballot rigging, radicalism, hate and racism is pushing our country towards being a one party neo-marxist totalitarian banana republic.
Everyone can see the Left's failed economic and cultural policies in their dystopian disaster cities.
The Democrats are too corrupt to operate within the bounds of our constitution.
Their economic policies are based upon stealing and the enslavement of workers to government debt.
Their open borders and cancel culture agenda is being done to erase mainstream society who are refusing to submit to the Democrat Radicals and Racists.

Could America be divided peacefully?

I think splitting the country is a big mistake. We can't have a hodgepodge of states as two countries intermixed together. Crossing state lines is going into another country?

And we can't do it east/west. Who would get the east and who would get the west?

And we can't do it north-south. Who would get the north and who would get the south?

THe only reasonable solution is to round up all the far left progressive seditious subversives and give them the fucking boot out of here for good (or worse). Never come back. I want all 50 states and I want them a constitutional, representative republic defined by its LAWS.

Give the Netherlands all our progressives.

 

[Mac-7]

I read a fairly chilling piece a couple of years ago that asked, is it possible that it has been so long since we communicated and collaborated like adults that we have literally lost that skill? Is communication like a muscle, use it or lose it?

It's possible. I don't know what saves us from this voluntary trajectory.

The nation does not have to officially split in two to ruin what the founding fathers created

We are so divided that we cannot decide on any policy that everyone could support

I’m encouraged that biden is making an effort to oppose china and defend Taiwan

But at the same time he is still joe biden and I’m not sure we can depend on his word

 

[buckeye45_73]

It should. Things dont work out like that, though. Apparently there is some amendment in the Constitution no one can see except judges that says "the Constitution actually only means what you want it to mean"

Hey it's a living document........wtf does that mean?

 

[buckeye45_73]

I think splitting the country is a big mistake. We can't have a hodgepodge of states as two countries intermixed together. Crossing state lines is going into another country?

And we can't do it east/west. Who would get the east and who would get the west?

And we can't do it north-south. Who would get the north and who would get the south?

THe only reasonable solution is to round up all the far left progressive seditious subversives and give them the fucking boot out of here for good (or worse). Never come back. I want all 50 states and I want them a constitutional, representative republic defined by its LAWS.

Give the Netherlands all our progressives.

Antarctica is unpopulated, send the lefties there......it's pure and the environment has never been harmed.........they'll be so happy.

 

[kyzr]

I read a fairly chilling piece a couple of years ago that asked, is it possible that it has been so long since we communicated and collaborated like adults that we have literally lost that skill? Is communication like a muscle, use it or lose it?

It's possible. I don't know what saves us from this voluntary trajectory.

Its not that we've lost communication skills, we do that at work every day, its that the divide between the two parties has widened and widened. Harry Truman was a conservative democrat, Bill Clinton was a moderate democrat. My recollection is that the democrats had mostly "moderates" and that the "radical socialists" were kept in the closet, otherwise they'd lose elections. Lately, the MSM and Hollywood have been showing the socialists in a good light and conservatives as greedy bastards.
Bottom line: Its not that we've lost communication skills, its that the policy differences have become so extreme that there is no acceptable compromise or "middle ground".

 

[Votto]

Really all that needs to happen is let conservative states and liberal states govern themselves instead of a small oligarchy in the White House, the way it was originally designed. Maybe, just maybe, that way half the country won't want to secede every Presidential election

But again, Marxists don't share power in any way, which is why they are into centralize control and detest the Federalism that the Founding Fathers set up and later subverted.

 

[Votto]

Its not that we've lost communication skills, we do that at work every day, its that the divide between the two parties has widened and widened. Harry Truman was a conservative democrat, Bill Clinton was a moderate democrat. My recollection is that the democrats had mostly "moderates" and that the "radical socialists" were kept in the closet, otherwise they'd lose elections. Lately, the MSM and Hollywood have been showing the socialists in a good light and conservatives as greedy bastards.
Bottom line: Its not that we've lost communication skills, its that the policy differences have become so extreme that there is no acceptable compromise or "middle ground".

Where is the middle ground with people who are hell bent on world conquest?

 

[toobfreak]

Antarctica is unpopulated, send the lefties there......it's pure and the environment has never been harmed.........they'll be so happy.

We need Antarctica for science research. I'd rather give them to the Norwegians, they are somewhat of a like mind and eventually, they will only fuck that place up too. Kinda like giving the Tribbles to the Klingons.

 

[kyzr]

It should. Things dont work out like that, though. Apparently there is some amendment in the Constitution no one can see except judges that says "the Constitution actually only means what you want it to mean"

Not exactly.

The Constitution Means What the Supreme Court Says It Means - Harvard Law Review

[T]he Constitution requires not following the dictates of the document but working out, over time, a complex balance among institutional interests. That is how...

harvardlawreview.org

"If you look at the entire body of constitutional law, that body of law bears very little resemblance to the text of the Constitution in 1789, 1791, and 1868. . . . That’s the reality. The only useful way to advocate with regard to constitutional law is to give a good contemporary argument for or against a particular interpretation."

Meaning that only the USSC can interpret the Constitution based on the current situation, i.e. interpretations can change.

 

[Mac1958]

Bottom line: Its not that we've lost communication skills, its that the policy differences have become so extreme that there is no acceptable compromise or "middle ground".

That's nothing more than tribal egos being unwilling to bend or give an goddamn inch.

Another option would be for the two sides could work together to create something NEW.

We used to be able to do that. Back when we were exceptional.

 

[TNHarley]

Hey it's a living document........wtf does that mean?

It is, metaphorically speaking. Thats because of the amendment process. That isnt what federal supremacists refer to, though.
They think it means that it mean whatever someone says it is as long as a judge agrees. Interpretation is bullshit. It either says it or it doesnt. This wasnt written in a dead language..

 

[Moonglow]

I want to split off and make my own country and get US foreign aid...

 

[TNHarley]

Not exactly.

The Constitution Means What the Supreme Court Says It Means - Harvard Law Review

[T]he Constitution requires not following the dictates of the document but working out, over time, a complex balance among institutional interests. That is how...

harvardlawreview.org

"If you look at the entire body of constitutional law, that body of law bears very little resemblance to the text of the Constitution in 1789, 1791, and 1868. . . . That’s the reality. The only useful way to advocate with regard to constitutional law is to give a good contemporary argument for or against a particular interpretation."

Meaning that only the USSC can interpret the Constitution based on the current situation, i.e. interpretations can change.

Judge Posner said that when he decides cases, he does not care what people in the late eighteenth century thought about today’s legal issues or even what the constitutional text says about those problems.3×3. Josh Blackman, Judge Posner on Judging, Birthright Citizenship, and Precedent, JOSH BLACKMAN’S BLOG (Nov. 6, 2015), Josh Blackman » Judge Posner on Judging, Birthright Citizenship, and Precedent [Judge Posner on Judging, Birthright Citizenship, and Precedent | Josh Blackman's Blog]. Professor Blackman, who was in attendance that night (as was this author), posted a blog entry just a few hours after Judge Posner’s remarks faithfully transcribing them. I have checked with Judge Posner and he agrees, at least for the parts of his talk used in this essay, that he was correctly quoted.Show More He remarked that following the Constitution does not mean adhering to its text but instead respecting Supreme Court interpretations of that text. Constitutional law as made by judges, Judge Posner emphasized, is much more about creating rules that make sense today than interpreting an old and often obsolete document.
Ummm thats a load of horseshit. The Founders gave it an amendment process for changing times and attitudes. Not individual interpretation.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

First of all, anyone who suggests splitting the country by blue or red are simpletons, that would never work, nor should it. The coastlines are naturally wealthy and have defenses. The reason they're primarily left is they live where propaganda and trendy originates, they don't broadcast fake news & TV out of Tonopah Nevada. Too many rats in the cage, big cities are in a bad way, look at their leadership, for example. Omar, AOC, Pelosi and Xiden for example, them people are nuts.

If you ask me, right takes half the country west, all of Texas & Alaska, and leftists can destroy what's left including Hawaii. If not for TV sets & silicon & internet California would still be red and they wouldn't have poisoned the balance of the west coast any way, west is conservative republic as intended with common sense and Constitution, east is quasi-communist. This will work out well

Get the fuck out Pelosi types, like music to the ears.

 

[john doe 101]

I'd rather fight for my country...the entire country...this domestic invading force will crumble....they are reaching too far and will be put in their place if they don't back off....

You'd be the first one to piss their pants. You arent going to put anyone in their place, coward.

 

[progressive hunter]

Supreme Court says sessession is illegal, an act of war.

only if you loose the war,,

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Rambunctious]

You'd be the first one to piss their pants. You arent going to put anyone in their place, coward.

You should be pissing your pants right now as we watch the dems trip over each other and end up with nothing...then in 22 the GOP takes over and Joe's stolen presidency goes nowhere....

 

[Concerned American]

CA, OR and WA out

Only south of Sacramento and west of the Cascades. The rest of those states are red.