51% America Makes Less Than $30K

[Rustic]

Nothing good can be said for socialism... The maker of dictators.

Embrace the suck

Typical irrational dogma, showing no understanding of the real world or the various economic systems in it.

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Not true, but capitalism is a great little engine however you don't let the engine steer the car.

But you never let the bum in the back hitch'n a ride eating all the food steer.

Embrace the suck

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

That's right.

And there you go. If capitalism was unregulated.

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

That's right.

Chris Rock also said...

School shootings were invented by the blacks... And stolen by the white man.
-Chris Rock-

He's said a lot of things, like: "Guns should be free but a bullet should cost $5000..." and "“In my neighborhood, there are four Black people. Hundreds of houses, four Black people. Who are these Black people? Well, there’s me, Mary J. Blige, Jay-Z and Eddie Murphy. Only Black people in the whole neighborhood. ......Do you know what the White man who lives next door to me does for a living? He’s a f**king dentist! ..... See, the Black man gotta fly to get to somethin’ the White man can walk to!”

 

[Defiant1]

What you do with all these people who can't survive on such low wages?

Teach them how to negotiate.

Unions?

I didn't say outsource the job and feed their entitlement complex to have someone else give them fish. I said teach them how to negotiate. For themselves! So they start getting it through their heads that it's their responsibility to pull their lives together!

They're not going away. In fact, their numbers are growing rapidly. $8-9 an hr. just ain't gonna cut it. They'll all be living in poverty. So what do you do? Let them starve to death?

Yes

 

[Uncensored2008]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

That's not Capitalism Comrade, that's Obamunism - it's what you have wrought upon this once great nation.

 

[Timmy]

The rights war on unions is to blame . They take away the workers power and they all then get run over by big biz .

 

[Rustic]

The rights war on unions is to blame . They take away the workers power and they all then get run over by big biz .

Then blame bid government, the real root of the problem.

 

[Penelope]

I really feel it too late. I mean the smart person, can negotiate more money than others who applied for an individual job, but if we all make more money, they just trickle it down to the consumer, so its a wash. They will not take it from their pocketbooks, or they put in machines to do our jobs.

This is false. All your scenario does is shift the apathy elsewhere. What you're failing to understand is that all business transactions are about mutual agreement, and that the finances can be altered when there is a sufficient lack of agreement.

The notion that business will "pass the cost to the consumer," as it is constantly regurgitated by talking heads and in common political fodder nowadays, substantially is blown out of proportion nowadays. It is severely overstates the impact of operating costs on business operations, misunderstanding the mechanisms at play, and artificially inflates all the wrong factors. Generally speaking, any decent business worth it's salt already charges the consumer the maximum they can convince consumers to spend, and the margins are already phenomenal enough that it would take a catastrophic development for the business to be unable to remain profitable at current selling prices.

For example, I work in hotel management. If my costs go either up or down, my selling price for tonight's room stays the same. If I increase my selling price I discourage potential customers from doing business with me. If I had to double the labor spent by housekeeping today, my selling price would stay the same, and I would still be coming away with a very strong profit. By the same token, if I'm able to reduce labor by 1/2, I'm not going to lower my selling price. Why would I? Why should I? If I can sell 400 rooms tonight at $399, why would I settle for $299 just because was able to slash my labor costs?

I pay what people are willing to work for**. I sell what people are willing to buy for. These two remain 100% separate concerns.

**Technically speaking, I am currently paying less than what people are willing to work for, a my own superiors remain unwilling to approve pay increases as the labor market thins out, currently resulting in labor shortages.

You made my point.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Those who refuse to see the downsides of capitalism are the most enthusiastic participants in it's eventual downfall. Anyone who thinks this voodoo will last forever without causing massive social upheaval are fooling themselves.

Those who rail against capitalism invariably point to government initiated and supported crimes such as monopoly and syndicalism as proof that government is needed to regulate capitalism.

Corporate abuse cannot exist without the support and power of government, nor can monopoly. A government controlled market is not capitalist.

Whether you are dishonest or merely ignorant, I cannot say.

Communists hate capitalism precisely because capitalism is in fact fair.

 

[occupied]

Typical irrational dogma, showing no understanding of the real world or the various economic systems in it.

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Nope, nuclear power and just about all nuclear physics research has been government funded. The Polio vaccine was a miracle of science that was entirely government funded. Antibiotics, space travel, jet powered flight, THE INTERNET, all these things were developed either through national defense or for the public good by the United States government.

The federal government has no money dumb a$$, just debt.

Is there something in my post you can dispute? No because it is entirely factual. The US government is responsible for many of the technological miracles of our age and they just gave it away for the good of the people. That's something no current conservative would ever do since they hate We The People.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have no issues discussing socialism but in your case the problem is not socialism, it's capitalism, which you seem to be unable to get your tiny mind around. The government isn't forcing people to work for 30k, it's all they can manage, in a capitalist system eh?

The government is bringing in 30 million Mexican peasants and depressing the labor market on behalf of cronies.

Government is not a capitalist entity, sploogy.

 

[occupied]

Those who refuse to see the downsides of capitalism are the most enthusiastic participants in it's eventual downfall. Anyone who thinks this voodoo will last forever without causing massive social upheaval are fooling themselves.

Those who rail against capitalism invariably point to government initiated and supported crimes such as monopoly and syndicalism as proof that government is needed to regulate capitalism.

Corporate abuse cannot exist without the support and power of government, nor can monopoly. A government controlled market is not capitalist.

Whether you are dishonest or merely ignorant, I cannot say.

Communists hate capitalism precisely because capitalism is in fact fair.

I keep hearing you people say shit like that but it is clear you have never even wondered if it is true or not. To me it sounds like: "We would not lose so many cows if we took down the fence".

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Typical irrational dogma, showing no understanding of the real world or the various economic systems in it.

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Not true, but capitalism is a great little engine however you don't let the engine steer the car.

But you never let the bum in the back hitch'n a ride eating all the food steer.

Embrace the suck

That would be military spending and the Pentagon.

 

[Rustic]

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Nope, nuclear power and just about all nuclear physics research has been government funded. The Polio vaccine was a miracle of science that was entirely government funded. Antibiotics, space travel, jet powered flight, THE INTERNET, all these things were developed either through national defense or for the public good by the United States government.

The federal government has no money dumb a$$, just debt.

Is there something in my post you can dispute? No because it is entirely factual. The US government is responsible for many of the technological miracles of our age and they just gave it away for the good of the people. That's something no current conservative would ever do since they hate We The People.

Funded by what??

 

[Rustic]

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Not true, but capitalism is a great little engine however you don't let the engine steer the car.

But you never let the bum in the back hitch'n a ride eating all the food steer.

Embrace the suck

That would be military spending and the Pentagon.

Na, the broke socialist living off everyone else's money...

 

[occupied]

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Nope, nuclear power and just about all nuclear physics research has been government funded. The Polio vaccine was a miracle of science that was entirely government funded. Antibiotics, space travel, jet powered flight, THE INTERNET, all these things were developed either through national defense or for the public good by the United States government.

The federal government has no money dumb a$$, just debt.

Is there something in my post you can dispute? No because it is entirely factual. The US government is responsible for many of the technological miracles of our age and they just gave it away for the good of the people. That's something no current conservative would ever do since they hate We The People.

Funded by what??

Oh I get it. You think the government is broke. You are a political and economic dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

The wealthy now control the US, it doesn't matter who the President is. The rest of us are peons in their utopia. The weathy are the ones who hire these contract "mercenaries", who hired the ones at Benghazi. It's never what it seems.

You're blaming the wealthy for Benghazi? Really?

 

[SwimExpert]

You made my point.

How so? You're saying that if my labor costs double, I'll pass the cost along to the consumer. But I actually won't. What I charge will stay the same, because it's based on the maximum we expect we can get away with charging.

 

[Rustic]

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Nope, nuclear power and just about all nuclear physics research has been government funded. The Polio vaccine was a miracle of science that was entirely government funded. Antibiotics, space travel, jet powered flight, THE INTERNET, all these things were developed either through national defense or for the public good by the United States government.

The federal government has no money dumb a$$, just debt.

Is there something in my post you can dispute? No because it is entirely factual. The US government is responsible for many of the technological miracles of our age and they just gave it away for the good of the people. That's something no current conservative would ever do since they hate We The People.

Funded by what??

Oh I get it. You think the government is broke. You are a political and economic dumbass.

Printed money is not wealth... It's paper.

Even a fool can see that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I keep hearing you people say shit like that but it is clear you have never even wondered if it is true or not. To me it sounds like: "We would not lose so many cows if we took down the fence".

The reason you hear this from people like me is because we are educated.

If your cows keep getting killed by wolves, the answer is not more wolves.

Corporations get deals from government to thwart the market - for morons to then say that the government thwarting the market is the market at work is beyond stupid. Most government regulation is crafted to protect favored looters from legitimate competition.

 

[bripat9643]

...other than socialism has never worked for the good of anyone but dictators in all of history.

So what's your point??

Socialism works just fine, at least the version I'd have here (AKA Sweden) all over the damn place.

If the entire world was like socialist Sweden we would be living just as when the Vasa sailed for 20 minutes and sank 600 years ago. Capitalism is linked to every technical advancement known to mankind.

Nope, nuclear power and just about all nuclear physics research has been government funded. The Polio vaccine was a miracle of science that was entirely government funded. Antibiotics, space travel, jet powered flight, THE INTERNET, all these things were developed either through national defense or for the public good by the United States government.

The federal government has no money dumb a$$, just debt.

Is there something in my post you can dispute? No because it is entirely factual. The US government is responsible for many of the technological miracles of our age and they just gave it away for the good of the people. That's something no current conservative would ever do since they hate We The People.

ROFL! Such as? Television? Nope. Cell phones? Nope? Internet? It gets about 5% of the credit. Computers? Again, it gets 5% of the credit. Flat screen TVs? Nope. Robots? Nope. Digital cameras? Nope. Fracking? Nope.