50 years later: has government dependency helped or hurt blacks?

[thereisnospoon]

50 years ago Martin Luther King shared his dream of a nation where black and whites would seamlessly interweave in making a larger and better American fabric; where skin color was irrelevant.

That is perfectly in line with the American ideal: come here with an idea, with a talent, with a skill, with a mission and nurture it and tend to it until it blossoms.

Instead we heard yesterday blacks need more government programs and support

Was MLK's vision the path that's been followed, or is that the road not taken?

MLK supported AA programs. Don't go being stupid

Four years later King's words in the 1967 tract "Where Do We Go From Here" were even clearer on the subject: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him."

Yes, Henry Payne, Martin Luther King Really Did Support Affirmative Action*?* Deadline Detroit


Will that change the way you feel about MLK? Yes it will but in order to keep lying to yourself you have to unsee what I just posted

Bullshit.
Dr King promoted self reliance.
Here are some of his most famous quotes.
There are references to self reliance all over the place.
Martin Luther King, Jr. Quotes - BrainyQuote

 

[thereisnospoon]

50 years ago Martin Luther King shared his dream of a nation where black and whites would seamlessly interweave in making a larger and better American fabric; where skin color was irrelevant.

That is perfectly in line with the American ideal: come here with an idea, with a talent, with a skill, with a mission and nurture it and tend to it until it blossoms.

Instead we heard yesterday blacks need more government programs and support

Was MLK's vision the path that's been followed, or is that the road not taken?

More whites than blacks are "dependent on government". Has that hurt whites?

That shit won't wash.
Non Hispanic Caucasians make up a little over 70% of the population. Blacks of African descent a little under 10%...Shut it.

 

[Vox]

Why because you say so? What makes you think this is the truth?

In 1950 there were many colleges that would not accept a black (or Jews for that matter). There were many firms that would not hire a black.
By 1970 that was done. WHat firm today does not hire black people? What college does not accept blacks? None.
At what point do we say past discrimination is past? At what point do we stop perpetuating discimination on the basis of race? When do we get to ML King's standard of "judged by the character not the color"?

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

failure in your community is solely your community's fault.

oh, and whiner enablers of that failure - like you.

 

[Asclepias]

In 1950 there were many colleges that would not accept a black (or Jews for that matter). There were many firms that would not hire a black.
By 1970 that was done. WHat firm today does not hire black people? What college does not accept blacks? None.
At what point do we say past discrimination is past? At what point do we stop perpetuating discimination on the basis of race? When do we get to ML King's standard of "judged by the character not the color"?

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

failure in your community is solely your community's fault.

oh, and whiner enablers of that failure - like you.

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

 

[rdean]

Government dependency? You mean like with these guys?

Mississippi Rednecks that vote republican - YouTube

When you look at Blue States versus Red States, you quickly realize no one get's government help like Republicans. No one.

 

[Vox]

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

failure in your community is solely your community's fault.

oh, and whiner enablers of that failure - like you.

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

 

[Asclepias]

failure in your community is solely your community's fault.

oh, and whiner enablers of that failure - like you.

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

 

[Vox]

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

you obviously lack the knowledge of European history, which is not surprising, considering all the self-centerd whining. I am not talking about indentured servants, you dumbass

Slavery everywhere was ruining the family unit.
The same territory which abolished slavery in 1861 in Europe underwent such a genocide in the XX century, plus two world wars, that your imaginary problems in this country is a resort in comparison.

learn history of the world first, then you might finally understand that your imaginary "psychological problems" are in your constant whining in order to blame anybody, but yourself.

 

[Tank]

As poorly as blacks are doing depending on the Government, without it they would be much worse off.

A civilized society is a unnatural environment for them.

To expect blacks to do well in a civilized society is true racism.

When your ancestors were living in caves we invented civilization. Why would you think we couldnt do well in it and actually improve it?

Because you have not.

 

[Pheonixops]

it turned out much better than the failure we have now.

not to even mention 17 trillion of debt and counting

Really? Then why was there the need for this?

"Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article is about one division of an enacted statute. For the entire statute, see Public Law 110-343. For the enacted rescue program, see Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110–343, 122 Stat. 3765, enacted October 3, 2008), commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system, is a law enacted in response to the subprime mortgage crisis authorizing the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend up to $700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities, and supply cash directly to banks. The funds for purchase of distressed assets were mostly redirected to inject capital into banks and other financial institutions while the Treasury continued to examine the usefulness of targeted asset purchases.[1][2] Both foreign and domestic banks are included in the program. The Federal Reserve also extended help to American Express, whose bank-holding application it recently approved.[3] The Act was proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during the global financial crisis of 2008."

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 2008 Bush Bailouts — Republican Socialism!
by Ben Hoffman

No, not that stimulus. I’m talking about the Bush 1.632 trillion dollars in bailouts that occurred between March 2008 and October 2008.

and what all that has to do with W being exponentially better president than obabble?

How was he better when that was his end result?

 

[Asclepias]

As poorly as blacks are doing depending on the Government, without it they would be much worse off.

A civilized society is a unnatural environment for them.

To expect blacks to do well in a civilized society is true racism.

When your ancestors were living in caves we invented civilization. Why would you think we couldnt do well in it and actually improve it?

Because you have not.

That amazing you think that. But then again its not. You do realize the first university was in Afirca? Sub saharan Africa to be exact. Institutions of higher learning are the hallmark of advanced civilizations. Your kind were still clubbing women over the head during that time period.

 

[Tank]

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

Blacks had millions of years of a "head start".

And the "gap" has not closed at all.

 

[Asclepias]

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

you obviously lack the knowledge of European history, which is not surprising, considering all the self-centerd whining. I am not talking about indentured servants, you dumbass

Slavery everywhere was ruining the family unit.
The same territory which abolished slavery in 1861 in Europe underwent such a genocide in the XX century, plus two world wars, that your imaginary problems in this country is a resort in comparison.

learn history of the world first, then you might finally understand that your imaginary "psychological problems" are in your constant whining in order to blame anybody, but yourself.

I live in the US not Europe and no matter how you try to twist it no group of people ever were intentionally deprived of everything that anchors the family unit by its oppressors. You can go sale that theory somewhere else.

 

[Vox]

Really? Then why was there the need for this?

"Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article is about one division of an enacted statute. For the entire statute, see Public Law 110-343. For the enacted rescue program, see Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110–343, 122 Stat. 3765, enacted October 3, 2008), commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system, is a law enacted in response to the subprime mortgage crisis authorizing the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend up to $700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities, and supply cash directly to banks. The funds for purchase of distressed assets were mostly redirected to inject capital into banks and other financial institutions while the Treasury continued to examine the usefulness of targeted asset purchases.[1][2] Both foreign and domestic banks are included in the program. The Federal Reserve also extended help to American Express, whose bank-holding application it recently approved.[3] The Act was proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during the global financial crisis of 2008."

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 2008 Bush Bailouts — Republican Socialism!
by Ben Hoffman

No, not that stimulus. I’m talking about the Bush 1.632 trillion dollars in bailouts that occurred between March 2008 and October 2008.

and what all that has to do with W being exponentially better president than obabble?

How was he better when that was his end result?

it was not HIS end result. It was the result of Carter and Clinton policies, plus the democratic house and senate which supported the housing bubble and it's crash

 

[Tank]

When your ancestors were living in caves we invented civilization. Why would you think we couldnt do well in it and actually improve it?

Because you have not.

That amazing you think that. But then again its not. You do realize the first university was in Afirca? Sub saharan Africa to be exact. Institutions of higher learning are the hallmark of advanced civilizations. Your kind were still clubbing women over the head during that time period.

Are you trying to say blacks used to be smart?

Thats not how evolution works.

 

[ClosedCaption]

^^WHY YOU will NEVER get it and continue to lose and remain in your self-imposed quagmire on non-independent thought. Party line all the way for YOU.

Please continue.

Your right so heres an open ended question for you: What has Herman, Scott or Carson done, besides existing, that counts as fighting for blacks?

Easy. THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES despite BIG GUBMINT telling them that they can't exist without GUBMINT...YOUR BANE son...As a cross to Dracula...

YOU had better wise up son...They LEAD by example. The way out for not only blacks, but for ALL people...hard work...determination, and telling Gubmint to get bent.

A bitter pill for you I know...

Like I said, they simply exist.

Which goes back to my original point because you cant read apparently.

There has NEVER been one single black person that fought for blacks that was embraced by whites WHILE BREATHING.

Did you understand that this time mad guy? Wanna change the subject again stupid?

 

[Asclepias]

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

Blacks had millions of years of a "head start".

And the "gap" has not closed at all.

Keep telling yourself that. I dont mind.

 

[The T]

Your right so heres an open ended question for you: What has Herman, Scott or Carson done, besides existing, that counts as fighting for blacks?

Easy. THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES despite BIG GUBMINT telling them that they can't exist without GUBMINT...YOUR BANE son...As a cross to Dracula...

YOU had better wise up son...They LEAD by example. The way out for not only blacks, but for ALL people...hard work...determination, and telling Gubmint to get bent.

A bitter pill for you I know...

Like I said, they simply exist.

Which goes back to my original point because you cant read apparently.

There has NEVER been one single black person that fought for blacks that was embraced by whites WHILE BREATHING.

Did you understand that this time mad guy? Wanna change the subject again stupid?

The scathing RACISM PARADE just keeps going...and Going...And GOING...

Please continue?

 

[Vox]

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

you obviously lack the knowledge of European history, which is not surprising, considering all the self-centerd whining. I am not talking about indentured servants, you dumbass

Slavery everywhere was ruining the family unit.
The same territory which abolished slavery in 1861 in Europe underwent such a genocide in the XX century, plus two world wars, that your imaginary problems in this country is a resort in comparison.

learn history of the world first, then you might finally understand that your imaginary "psychological problems" are in your constant whining in order to blame anybody, but yourself.

I live in the US not Europe and no matter how you try to twist it no group of people ever were intentionally deprived of everything that anchors the family unit by its oppressors. You can go sale that theory somewhere else.

the vast majority of the white population of this country nowadays IS the descendant of European immigrants whose ancestors ( and not even that far away) WERE slaves.

Though those whites don't whine constantly like you do.

They just came to this country and made their way up in much worse conditions than you and your people had.

And made it.

Because they are not whining all the time that "400 years ago" somebody causes their grand-grand-grandparents harm.

That's why THEY are successful - and your people are not.

Stop whining and stop complaining about non-existing problems.

then you might succeed as well.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why because you say so? What makes you think this is the truth?

In 1950 there were many colleges that would not accept a black (or Jews for that matter). There were many firms that would not hire a black.
By 1970 that was done. WHat firm today does not hire black people? What college does not accept blacks? None.
At what point do we say past discrimination is past? At what point do we stop perpetuating discimination on the basis of race? When do we get to ML King's standard of "judged by the character not the color"?

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

Yeah. By 1970 there was no legal discimination in hiring or school acceptance. Where have you been?