$50 minimum wage

[Red Front]

It's not the feds job to be mommy and daddy for the freaks in CA, that's CA;s job.

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Mommy and daddy for Capitalists in the way the economy and society in general is run today:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE.	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,388,954,161	952
2	Intel	$8,355,503,416	127
3	Ford Motor	$7,718,954,966	684
4	General Motors	$7,494,705,750	783
5	Micron Technology	$6,786,681,915	19
6	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
7	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
8	Amazon.com	$5,532,086,473	433
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,880,517,317	209
12	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,518,064,340	171
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	SkyWest	$2,418,120,282	981
22	Iberdrola	$2,380,537,196	109
23	Toyota	$2,304,226,689	237
24	Shell PLC	$2,210,816,246	131
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Oracle	$2,167,890,528	90
27	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Hyundai Motor	$2,048,610,159	17
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,010,825,527	124
31	Brookfield Asset Management	$1,968,826,437	231
32	Meta Platforms Inc.	$1,963,051,772	61
33	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
34	Paramount Global	$1,845,796,313	332
35	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
36	Apple Inc.	$1,833,837,442	61
37	Comcast	$1,827,808,120	390
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,821,579,761	1,190
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	General Electric	$1,737,066,990	994
41	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,726,928,435	87
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	Energy Transfer	$1,680,763,748	155
45	JPMorgan Chase	$1,663,593,063	1,147
46	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
47	Duke Energy	$1,580,417,759	86
48	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,560,125,015	63
49	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,532,854,012	3
50	IBM Corp.	$1,495,438,545	367
51	General Atomics	$1,476,687,046	111
52	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
53	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,363,926,937	111
56	Lockheed Martin	$1,334,594,360	319
57	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
58	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
59	Corning Inc.	$1,262,885,869	389
60	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
61	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
62	RTX Corporation	$1,168,240,858	779
63	Jefferies Financial Group	$1,144,919,260	17
64	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
65	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
66	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
67	AES Corp.	$1,030,194,632	132
68	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$1,018,366,272	417
69	Abengoa	$988,188,652	43
70	Exelon	$982,955,949	57
71	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
72	Pyramid Companies	$966,050,097	91
73	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
74	Apollo Global Management	$896,345,186	586
75	LG	$881,567,511	87
76	Delta Air Lines	$878,093,932	17
77	Centene	$877,508,496	56
78	Bayer	$850,128,391	212
79	Honda	$849,832,301	92
80	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
81	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
82	SunEdison	$813,584,873	113
83	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
84	E.ON	$782,609,880	38
85	Archer Daniels Midland	$771,819,773	1,116
86	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
87	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$764,594,690	217
88	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
89	Bank of America	$744,566,157	929
90	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
91	Related Companies	$687,200,000	1
92	Koch Industries	$673,998,188	495
93	Caithness Energy	$670,379,738	29
94	Wells Fargo	$653,074,103	540
95	Entergy	$638,345,893	234
96	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
97	FedEx	$621,948,452	624
98	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
99	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1

The government bailouts the capitalists every year, not to speak of whenever capitalism collapses every seven to ten years. The government is a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale socio-economic projects and affairs. It's not created to serve profits at the expense of the public good. You idiot capitalists need to stop projecting your own lazy nature on your workers. The working class WORKS, your ass wants to live a life of leisure at the expense of working-class people. You rich folks want to live a life of recreation and fun while people are slaving for you. SO FUCK YOU, YOU WORTHLESS, MANICURED LEECH.

Workers need affordable housing and food, including a good public transit system that they can rely on to get to work, for an affordable fare. Public infrastructure is needed to maintain a market economy. GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY and let the government do its job. Fuck Off. You're probably on Medicare and Social Security and you're talking shit.

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[Cellblock2429]

It's everything, it's not just one thing. If you're going to maintain a market economy, there has to be well-developed public infrastructure and the minimum wage should correspond with inflation. If we were to factor in inflation since the original minimum wage, we would have a $15 minimum wage today. The cost of living can also come down if the government builds more housing for workers. Basic housing for those who need it. It's just a baseline or foundation upon which to build your life. Your Capitalist employer will love it, because his employees will live close to the business and have the means to get there on time for work. His workforce will have housing and food on their table. Do you want to hire workers who need to commute for an hour+ daily?

American socialists will make sure your workers are healthy, fed, housed, and can get to work on time. How can you complain as a Capitalist employer? Pay your workers a living wage of at least $15 hourly and they will regularly eat at your restaurant with their families or more often walk into your store and buy your products. The American consumer will have the purchasing power to make you wealthier, so why complain about our genuine socialist policies? There are plenty of billionaires in socialist China.

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/——/ Minimum wage was never intended to support a family. It was to help unskilled teens get job experience. In return, employers got a break on labor costs. Now AI and robotics are taking over leaving teens unemployed.
Leave it to democRATs to screw everything up.

 

[OKTexas]

What a stupid objection. The likelihood of someone earning a minimum wage and not being able to afford the cost of living goes up significantly if wages aren't at least generally gauged to inflation (Prices). That's not self-evident to you? Then that's no one's problem, other than yours. You're the one suffering from cognitive deficiency.

It's not factual commie, you made a claim, it's on you to back it up.

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[Red Front]

It's not factual commie, you made a claim, it's on you to back it up.

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You dumbass, it doesn't have to be officially set on inflation. You're stupid. People need to afford to feed and house themselves, hence wages should at the bare minimum accomplish that. The easiest way to do that is by in principle and practice, positioning wages around inflation. If wages don't allow workers to support themselves then the market-economy crumbles and even your beloved wealthy capitalists will suffer. The whole market suffers. You're a fucking retard.

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[OKTexas]

You dumbass, it doesn't have to be officially set on inflation. You're stupid. People need to afford to feed and house themselves, hence wages should at the bare minimum accomplish that. The easiest way to do that is by in principle and practice, positioning wages around inflation. If wages don't allow workers to support themselves then the market-economy crumbles and even your beloved wealthy capitalists will suffer. The whole market suffers. You're a fucking retard.

So you're admitting you're talking out your ass and nothing you say should be taken seriously. I worked for minimum wage when I was in HS, in the 60s BTW, the only things I had to pay for was gas for my car and car insurance. I only worked one minimum wage job when I was on my own, and it was a second job I chose to work to afford a few extras, it wasn't my living. No one working for minimum wage should expect to live independently on it.

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[Red Front]

So you're admitting you're talking out your ass and nothing you say should be taken seriously. I worked for minimum wage when I was in HS, in the 60s BTW, the only things I had to pay for was gas for my car and car insurance. I only worked one minimum wage job when I was on my own, and it was a second job I chose to work to afford a few extras, it wasn't my living. No one working for minimum wage should expect to live independently on it.

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You fucking punk piece of shit, since when does the minimum wage have to have a historical precedent of being defined and officially set to minimum wage, according to government legislation, for us to do it now? Where is that written in your Bible? Is that part of the Ten Commandments? It doesn't make sense to an idiot like you to set the minimum wage to inflation because you don't recognize the importance of full-time workers earning a living wage, but most people in America do.

It's your false assumption that minimum wage workers don't deserve to afford to feed and house themselves. That's a groundless, unnecessary supposition, not based on your own demands for there being a legal precedent for the minimum wage being set on inflation.

You demand that there be a legal or legislative, official definition of minimum wage established in the past, but then make the inconsistent demand that the minimum wage only be defined as a wage earned by workers who supposedly don't need to support themselves, because they're all in their teens. You're being a hypocrite with your arbitrary demands and definitions. Be a consistent asshole. Stop chewing all of that cheap tobacco, it's fucking up your brain.

I'm glad, for the sake of this country, you're of advanced age, good riddance. Hypocrites like you collecting Social Security and Medicare while shitting on workers for receiving government services. What hypocrisy. These are the people that allow you to purchase goods and services with your SS check and receive Medicare services. If it wasn't for the current workforce, then who would produce everything you buy? You're pathetic.

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[OKTexas]

Mommy and daddy for Capitalists in the way the economy and society in general is run today:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE.	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,388,954,161	952
2	Intel	$8,355,503,416	127
3	Ford Motor	$7,718,954,966	684
4	General Motors	$7,494,705,750	783
5	Micron Technology	$6,786,681,915	19
6	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
7	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
8	Amazon.com	$5,532,086,473	433
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,880,517,317	209
12	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,518,064,340	171
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	SkyWest	$2,418,120,282	981
22	Iberdrola	$2,380,537,196	109
23	Toyota	$2,304,226,689	237
24	Shell PLC	$2,210,816,246	131
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Oracle	$2,167,890,528	90
27	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Hyundai Motor	$2,048,610,159	17
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,010,825,527	124
31	Brookfield Asset Management	$1,968,826,437	231
32	Meta Platforms Inc.	$1,963,051,772	61
33	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
34	Paramount Global	$1,845,796,313	332
35	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
36	Apple Inc.	$1,833,837,442	61
37	Comcast	$1,827,808,120	390
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,821,579,761	1,190
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	General Electric	$1,737,066,990	994
41	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,726,928,435	87
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	Energy Transfer	$1,680,763,748	155
45	JPMorgan Chase	$1,663,593,063	1,147
46	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
47	Duke Energy	$1,580,417,759	86
48	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,560,125,015	63
49	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,532,854,012	3
50	IBM Corp.	$1,495,438,545	367
51	General Atomics	$1,476,687,046	111
52	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
53	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,363,926,937	111
56	Lockheed Martin	$1,334,594,360	319
57	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
58	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
59	Corning Inc.	$1,262,885,869	389
60	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
61	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
62	RTX Corporation	$1,168,240,858	779
63	Jefferies Financial Group	$1,144,919,260	17
64	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
65	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
66	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
67	AES Corp.	$1,030,194,632	132
68	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$1,018,366,272	417
69	Abengoa	$988,188,652	43
70	Exelon	$982,955,949	57
71	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
72	Pyramid Companies	$966,050,097	91
73	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
74	Apollo Global Management	$896,345,186	586
75	LG	$881,567,511	87
76	Delta Air Lines	$878,093,932	17
77	Centene	$877,508,496	56
78	Bayer	$850,128,391	212
79	Honda	$849,832,301	92
80	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
81	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
82	SunEdison	$813,584,873	113
83	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
84	E.ON	$782,609,880	38
85	Archer Daniels Midland	$771,819,773	1,116
86	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
87	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$764,594,690	217
88	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
89	Bank of America	$744,566,157	929
90	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
91	Related Companies	$687,200,000	1
92	Koch Industries	$673,998,188	495
93	Caithness Energy	$670,379,738	29
94	Wells Fargo	$653,074,103	540
95	Entergy	$638,345,893	234
96	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
97	FedEx	$621,948,452	624
98	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
99	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1

The government bailouts the capitalists every year, not to speak of whenever capitalism collapses every seven to ten years. The government is a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale socio-economic projects and affairs. It's not created to serve profits at the expense of the public good. You idiot capitalists need to stop projecting your own lazy nature on your workers. The working class WORKS, your ass wants to live a life of leisure at the expense of working-class people. You rich folks want to live a life of recreation and fun while people are slaving for you. SO FUCK YOU, YOU WORTHLESS, MANICURED LEECH.

Workers need affordable housing and food, including a good public transit system that they can rely on to get to work, for an affordable fare. Public infrastructure is needed to maintain a market economy. GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY and let the government do its job. Fuck Off. You're probably on Medicare and Social Security and you're talking shit.

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Poor little presumptive commie, I'm far from rich. But I stayed in school and got skills in my early working life that employers were willing to pay for. I guess you weren't that smart, that's why you think everyone else owes you something. Here's a clue for ya commie, they don't. For better or worse, everyone is the sum of their own decisions and they have to own that.

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[Red Front]

Poor little presumptive commie, I'm far from rich. But I stayed in school and got skills in my early working life that employers were willing to pay for. I guess you weren't that smart, that's why you think everyone else owes you something. Here's a clue for ya commie, they don't. For better or worse, everyone is the sum of their own decisions and they have to own that.

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You piece worthless shit, brainwashed by capitalists and your evil religion. All full-time workers deserve a wage that allows them to eat and house themselves, if you can't get that through your little MAGA hat brain, that's your problem. You were born and raised in the golden age of the American economy after WW2, when a quarter of the workforce was unionized and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies made no more than thirty times the average salary in their companies. Today CEOs make as much as 1000x the average salary and workers can't live with their wages and right-wing scumbags like you don't care.

After WW2 the US economy was based on manufacturing, and thanks to government loan programs and good salaries, more workers owned homes. My grandfather, who was born in 1913, migrated to the US after WW2, with my grandmother and mother, without a penny in his pocket. Four years later, he bought a house in cash without a loan, working a blue-collar job, full-time. When you went to school in the 1950s or 60s, education was much more affordable than it is now. It was even free in many cases.

You're trying to FUCK-OVER the youth of today, with your right-wing, "trickle-down" - crap economic policies, which gutted our manufacturing base in the 1980s, destroyed labor unions, and set the working class on a downward spiral. So fuck you "grandpa", you fucking hypocrite. Born and raised in the golden era of our economy and now receiving a receiving a government check and Medicare, thanks to "commies" who forced the government in the 1930s and in the 60s (Medicare/Medicaid), to create these services. You're a fucking hypocrite. Good riddance, the younger generation won't have to deal with right-wing dinosaurs like you much longer.

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[OKTexas]

You fucking punk piece of shit, since when does the minimum wage have to have a historical precedent of being defined and officially set to minimum wage, according to government legislation, for us to do it now? Where is that written in your Bible? Is that part of the Ten Commandments? It doesn't make sense to an idiot like you to set the minimum wage to inflation because you don't recognize the importance of full-time workers earning a living wage, but most people in America do.

It's your false assumption that minimum wage workers don't deserve to afford to feed and house themselves. That's a groundless, unnecessary supposition, not based on your own demands for there being a legal precedent for the minimum wage being set on inflation.

You demand that there be a legal or legislative, official definition of minimum wage established in the past, but then make the inconsistent demand that the minimum wage only be defined as a wage earned by workers who supposedly don't need to support themselves, because they're all in their teens. You're being a hypocrite with your arbitrary demands and definitions. Be a consistent asshole. Stop chewing all of that cheap tobacco, it's fucking up your brain.

I'm glad, for the sake of this country, you're of advanced age, good riddance. Hypocrites like you collecting Social Security and Medicare while shitting on workers for receiving government services. What hypocrisy. These are the people that allow you to purchase goods and services with your SS check and receive Medicare services. If it wasn't for the current workforce, then who would produce everything you buy? You're pathetic.

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Actually I think the minimum wage should be abolished. A worker should be able to negotiate with employers for wages and benefits that are agreeable to both, without government interference. I've walked out of job interviews because they didn't offer what I thought I was worth. I also owned businesses so I know labor is just another commodity that factors in the cost of doing business. No different than equipment or utilities,. My customers looked at me the same way, if I didn't bring value to the table, they move on and kept looking for someone who would.

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[Care4all]

Actually I think the minimum wage should be abolished. A worker should be able to negotiate with employers for wages and benefits that are agreeable to both, without government interference. I've walked out of job interviews because they didn't offer what I thought I was worth. I also owned businesses so I know labor is just another commodity that factors in the cost of doing business. No different than equipment or utilities,. My customers looked at me the same way, if I didn't bring value to the table, they move on and kept looking for someone who would.

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Minimum wage earners are usually young and new to the workforce and have not developed the skills to negotiate more money at an interview.

Your suggestion of no minimum and just negotiate, won't ever work fairly for the minimum wage worker imo.

 

[OKTexas]

You piece worthless shit, brainwashed by capitalists and your evil religion. All full-time workers deserve a wage that allows them to eat and house themselves, if you can't get that through your little MAGA hat brain, that's your problem. You were born and raised in the golden age of the American economy after WW2, when a quarter of the workforce was unionized and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies made no more than thirty times the average salary in their companies. Today CEOs make as much as 1000x the average salary and workers can't live with their wages and right-wing scumbags like you don't care.

After WW2 the US economy was based on manufacturing, and thanks to government loan programs and good salaries, more workers owned homes. My grandfather, who was born in 1913, migrated to the US after WW2, with my grandmother and mother, without a penny in his pocket. Four years later, he bought a house in cash without a loan, working a blue-collar job, full-time. When you went to school in the 1950s or 60s, education was much more affordable than it is now. It was even free in many cases.

You're trying to FUCK-OVER the youth of today, with your right-wing, "trickle-down" - crap economic policies, which gutted our manufacturing base in the 1980s, destroyed labor unions, and set the working class on a downward spiral. So fuck you "grandpa", you fucking hypocrite. Born and raised in the golden era of our economy and now receiving a receiving a government check and Medicare, thanks to "commies" who forced the government in the 1930s and in the 60s (Medicare/Medicaid), to create these services. You're a fucking hypocrite. Good riddance, the younger generation won't have to deal with right-wing dinosaurs like you much longer.

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No, I'm telling today's youth what works in reality. Not some commie fantasy that has never worked anywhere it's been tried. It's pretty damn simple, stay in school, get skills employers will pay well for, or something you can do as a business that people want and are willing to pay for. Only a very small percentage of jobs really need a college education, the trades are where the real money is. Most tradesmen make more than the average college indoctrinated.

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[OKTexas]

Minimum wage earners are usually young and new to the workforce and have not developed the skills to negotiate more money at an interview.

Your suggestion of no minimum and just negotiate, won't ever work fairly for the minimum wage worker imo.

Then you don't work there, keep looking, the market sets the value of any given commodity, including labor. If enough people accept shit wages all anyone will initially offer are shit wages. Leaving employers wanting will naturally push wages up. But keep in mind people with no skills shouldn't expect a wage that will allow them to live independently, the employer is taking a chance that workers will develop a good work ethic and will have to invest time and money to train them. Once a worker shows they are dependable and can do the job, they'll usually get a raise.

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[Weatherman2020]

House Democrat demands $50-per-hour federal minimum wage: 'Just do the math!' | Blaze Media

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) argued on Monday that a $50-per-hour minimum wage is mathematically coherent. At a debate for candidates vying for the late Dianne Feinstein's U.S. Senate seat, Lee tried to justify her demand that the U.S. government mandate that businesses pay their employees a...

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Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) argued on Monday that a $50-per-hour minimum wage is mathematically coherent.

At a debate for candidates vying for the late Dianne Feinstein's U.S. Senate seat, Lee tried to justify her demand that the U.S. government mandate that businesses pay their employees a minimum of $50 per hour.

"In the Bay Area, I believe it was the United Way that came out with a report very recently: $127,000 for a family of four is just barely enough to get by," Lee said. "Another survey very recently: $104,000 for a family of one — barely enough to get by ... because of the affordability crisis."

California's cost-of-living problems, especially in the Bay Area, are no secret. But how would Lee's proposal be paid for?

Comment:
Minimum wage is for unskilled labor.
If you want to be paid more, you need to learn a skill.
Employers probably could not afford to pay $50 per hour for unskilled labor.
It would probably cause an increase in unemployment.

Who can live on $50 an hour?
$100 an hour for Walmart greeters.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

What a stupid objection.

It’s not an objection, it’s a request for a link.

The likelihood of someone earning a minimum wage and not being able to afford the cost of living goes up significantly if wages aren't at least generally gauged to inflation (Prices). That's not self-evident to you? Then that's no one's problem, other than yours. You're the one suffering from cognitive deficiency.

Minimum wage should be increased to keep pace with inflation but never kid yourself that it was ever meant to be a living wage.

No one is entitled to a living wage. If you can’t afford to support yourself with it then find a better paying job; live with parents/relatives until you can support yourself; get a roommate; buy store brand grocery products; cut unneeded amenties, etc.

The list of choices to live on minimum wage is endless and is as long as the list of choices to better your financial situation.

 

[DudleySmith]

I guess inflation wasn't a problem when minimum wage was just $7.25 an hour. Oh wait, it was ...never mind. And cheap illegal alien labor made houses so much cheaper, too. Oh wait, that never happened either ... never mind.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The minimum wage should be based on the cost of living. Anyone who works full-time should be able to pay the rent of an apartment and put food on the table. If the cost of living is too high then workers can't survive. The government should build housing and rent apartments to workers, that way the cost of living will come down. The government needs to get into the business of providing the basics to everyone who needs it. A baseline or foundation, upon which someone can improve their situation and move up to better housing. Republicans also need to get out of the way and allow the government to develop public transit and infrastructure in general.

Stop defunding civil development projects. Get out of the way.

Minimum wage is and always will be $0/hr.

 

[Red Front]

Actually I think the minimum wage should be abolished. A worker should be able to negotiate with employers for wages and benefits that are agreeable to both, without government interference. I've walked out of job interviews because they didn't offer what I thought I was worth. I also owned businesses so I know labor is just another commodity that factors in the cost of doing business. No different than equipment or utilities,. My customers looked at me the same way, if I didn't bring value to the table, they move on and kept looking for someone who would.

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Actually I think the minimum wage should be abolished.

Yeah I'm not surprised, a right-wing piece of shit like you would feel that way.


A worker should be able to negotiate with employers for wages and benefits that are agreeable to both, without government interference.

He must negotiate on his own, as a single worker, with powerful, rich employers, without government legislation protecting his rights, including the right to organize a union? Why? Based on what "cosmic law"? You haven't read Adam Smith's opinion on unions and how wealthy capitalists (who he calls "masters") have their unions, have you? Of course not, you're an uneducated, brainwashed retard and hypocrite receiving a government SS check and Medicare while complaining about workers receiving government services. How more pathetic and confused can you be?

The rich elites who you suck off like a street-whore, are the only ones that can unionize? They currently hold all of the power by owning the means of production. Why should 94% of the population (the working class), allow the owner-leisure class ("the masters"), to own and control production and even have a clear advantage when negotiating wages? Adam Smith the father of capitalism wrote:
"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters (the capitalists are the "masters") to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (create labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labour.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, (it's obvious that the masters/capitalists have an advantage when negotiating wages with workers) and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters (Capitalists = fucking "masters"), being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen." (Book I, Chapter VIII - Emphasis Mine)

The people that are now working to make sure you have goods and services you can purchase and benefit from, are undermined by assholes like you, voting for politicians that serve the rich at the expense of the working class.
Labor unions do much more than just help you negotiate wages.

They make sure the best filters are installed in the CNC machines, every week to avoid dangerous fumes from contaminating the air, they make sure there are enough bathrooms in the factory to meet the needs of workers, they make sure the heaters are working in winter, they make sure the vehicles the workers are driving are well maintained, that workers have sick leave and YES they also make sure workers are well paid with benefits.

If powerful, wealthy employers screw up, the union rep walks into their office and says "Change the filters, you bought the crap-cheap ones this week and that's unacceptable. We will strike if you don't use the best filters for those CNC machines, so hurry up, you have three days to change them. We're not going to breathe those fumes for more than 72 hours, get going, hurry up...".


I've walked out of job interviews because they didn't offer what I thought I was worth.

You had the privilege of doing that, not all workers have the resources or work in an industry that affords them that leverage. All workers are important, ask the God of the Bible, which you probably claim to worship and follow. You're a hypocrite, siding with the rich at the expense of the poor, and those who work. A piece of shit hypocrite pretending to be a disciple of Jesus. Jesus will spit in your face on the day of judgment, "Depart from me I never knew you".

I also owned businesses so I know labor is just another commodity that factors in the cost of doing business.No different than equipment or utilities,.
How disgusting, what a piece of shit you are. Commodifying human beings that way, reducing them to some piece of equipment or machinery. You're a pathetic piece of shit. You're not a working class person, because workers don't think like you.

With your indifferent attitude towards the needs of the working-class, why should the working-class care about capitalists (masters), who want to leech out off their labor/sweat/tears/blood? The sooner the working-class take full-control over the means of production the better. People who think like you are going to get a rude awakening when the pitchforks come out. Production should be owned by the public. That's what we socialists identify as "private property". Your home, car, computer, smartphone, library of old VHS tapes from the 1980s, music collection, your toothbrush, none of that is private property. That's personal property.
Private property is that which assholes like you use to exploit and dehumanize other human beings. You underscore the reason why private property should be abolished ASAP, that way psychopaths like you can't exploit and leech off of other people's labor.
My customers looked at me the same way, if I didn't bring value to the table, they move on and kept looking for someone who would.
The value is produced by labor, your workers, not your sorry leech ass, enriching yourself off of their work. You're not a working-class person, talking that way. You're a piece of shit and in the end, the working class will own the mines, factories, warehouses, and stores. all of the robots and artificial intelligence. is going to be in the hands of the public. Why not, your fellow capitalists are already begging the government to consider giving the working class a "UBI", i.e. Universal Basic Income, for this reason:

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Hey if technology requires a non-profit, publicly-owned system of production and distribution, well boohoo. You capitalist leeches aren't getting your monthly government bailout, in the form of a UBI, creating artificial paying customers. Fuck you asshole, the people (the working-class), will just take control of the means of production and you and your obsolete "market capitalism", can go fuck yourself. How about that asshole? You worthless leech.

 

[OKTexas]

Minimum wage is and always will be $0/hr.
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Not for the folks that maintain those machines. And how did the country manage before 1938, when the first federal minimum wage was passed? It was definitely $0 back then.

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[Red Front]

Minimum wage is and always will be $0/hr.
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We communists love that, you're an idiot. Yes! Yes! Automate capitalism to oblivion. Thank you retard! What an idiot you are LOL! Capitalists are worthless middlemen in a high-tech economy.

 

[Weatherman2020]

We communists love that, you're an idiot. Yes! Yes! Automate capitalism to oblivion. Thank you retard! What an idiot you are LOL! Capitalists are worthless middlemen in a high-tech economy.

The funniest thing about Communists is they choose to live in Capitalist nations.