48 people killed in less than a month

[necritan]

OK, fellows, we have a problem. Another couple of months like that, and you will see some pretty strict gun control laws. Laws approved of by the majority of the people of the nation.

So you really need to come up with some answers other than foaming at the mouth rants about your freedoms.

I knew this would happen when Obama took office...

Me too.....

 

[Diuretic]

Okay for anyone interested this is a summary of the crime situation in Australia before and after the ridiculously stupid gun buyback of the idiotic Howard government.

Warning - there are numbers and stuff.

RGS dribbled:

Ya, no link to the fact no guns made crime easier. No link to the gun grab that violent crimes and murders went way up. No link to the loss of the right to own guns to the rapid increase of home invasions and burglary. Sure thing Mate.

And once again, your last draconian laws were in DIRECT response to a shooting spree that left 35 dead and the claim the Government made was that banning guns WOULD reduce crime. The laws were touted as CRIME CONTROL.

"Ya" - what's this? The Katzenjammer Kids?

Anyway, in response:

This bullshit claim was made in this crap piece -

Crime up Down Under

After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for destruction, according to statistics from the Australian Sporting Shooters Association.

The bans were not limited to so-called "assault" weapons or military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association representative Keith Tidswell.

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

Apart from the bullshit statistics there are other misleading statements. .22 rifles were only prohibited if they were semi-auto, shotguns were prohibited if they were semi-auto or slide/pump action.



ABS crime statistics 1993

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/free.nsf/0/F068A587FCFD7455CA2572250004960B/$File/45090_0493.pdf

Summary

In the 12 months to April 1993 6.8% of households in Australia suffered a break or attempted break.

In 1993 the rate of robbery of persons was 1.2% that is up from 0.6% in 1983.

Personal assault decreased between 1983 and 1993 3.4% in 1983 to 2.5% in 1993.

The Port Arthur event occurred in 1996. Howard’s buyback followed.

So the 1997 and onwards crime statistics are relevant.


ABS Crime Statistics 1998

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/CA25687100069892CA256889000A298F/$File/45090_Apr%201998.pdf

Households and individuals in Australia experience a diverse range of
crimes, some of which were covered by the 1998 Crime and Safety
Survey.

In the 12 months prior to the 1998 Crime and Safety Survey, it is
estimated that there were 349,900 households in Australia that had at
least one break-in to their home, garage or shed.

There were 226,400 households that found signs of at least one
attempted break-in and overall 534,100 households that were victims of
either a break-in or an attempted break-in in the 12 months prior to the
survey.

About 117,900 households had at least one motor vehicle stolen in the
12 months prior to the survey.

There were an estimated 79,100 persons aged 15 years and over who
were victims of robbery and 618,300 persons aged 15 years and over
who were victims of assault in the 12 months prior to the survey. About
30,100 females aged 18 years and over were estimated to be victims of
sexual assault in the same time period.


HAS THE LEVEL OF CRIME
INCREASED?
A previous Crime and Safety Survey was conducted by the Australian
Bureau of Statistics in 1993 and shows that, where data can be
compared, the prevalence of victimisation for offences were similar for
1993 and 1998.

The 1998 prevalence rates for household break-ins and attempted
break-ins were slightly higher than the rates in 1993 but the differences
are not statistically significant. The prevalence rates for household motor vehicle theft were the same for each year.

In 1998 the prevalence rate for sexual assault for females aged 18 years
and over was slightly lower than the 1993 figure, but the difference is
not statistically significant.

It is not possible to compare the personal crimes of robbery and assault
between the 1993 and 1998 surveys due to changes in the questions
used in the survey.

ABS Crime Statistics 2002

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/351BB81C9E7E8B2ACA256D4A00826231/$File/45090_apr%202002.pdf

There were 7,479,200 households in Australia in April 2002. In the 12 months prior to the survey it is estimated that:

354,000 (4.7%) households were victims of at least one break-in to their home,
garage or shed
254,600 (3.4%) households found signs of at least one attempted break-in
553,500 (7.4%) households overall were victims of either a break-in or an attempted break-in
134,300 (1.8%) households had at least one motor vehicle stolen.
In total, 665,400 households were victims of these selected household crimes. That is, an estimated 8.9% of households experienced at least one of these crimes in the 12 months prior to the survey.

There were 15,215,100 persons aged 15 years and over in Australia in April 2002. In the 12 months prior to the survey it is estimated that:

! 95,800 (0.6%) persons were victims of at least one robbery
! 717,900 (4.7%) persons were victims of at least one assault
! 33,000 (0.2%) persons aged 18 years and over were victims of at least one sexual assault.

In total 811,700 persons aged 15 years and over were victims of these selected personal crimes. That is, an estimated 5.3% of persons aged 15 years and over experienced at least one of these crimes in the 12 months prior to the survey.


In 2002 the rate of household crime was estimated at 8.9%. Comparisons with
1998 and 1993 surveys show very small changes in the prevalence of victimisation for these offences.

Though small, the changes in the prevalence rates for personal crimes between the 1998 and 2002 national surveys were:

...for assault, the victimisation prevalence rate increased from 4.3% in 1998 to 4.7% in 2002

for total personal crime the victimisation prevalence rate increased from 4.8% in 1998 to 5.3% in 2002.

ABS Crime Statistics 2005

4509.0 - Crime and Safety, Australia, Apr 2005

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS


PREVALENCE OF CRIME OVERVIEW

Households

There were 7,855,600 households in Australia in April 2005. In the 12 months prior to the survey it was estimated that:
259,800 (3.3%) households were victims of at least one break-in to their home, garage or shed
205,400 (2.6%) households had at least one attempted break-in
427,100 (5.4%) households overall were victims of either a break-in or an attempted break-in
74,800 (1.0%) households had at least one motor vehicle stolen.

In total, 488,200 households were victims of one or more of these selected household crimes, equating to an overall household victimisation prevalence rate of 6.2%.


Persons aged 15 years and over

In April 2005, there were 15,966,900 persons aged 15 years and over living in private dwellings in Australia. In the 12 months prior to the survey it was estimated that:

58,900 (0.4%) persons were victims of at least one robbery
770,600 (4.8%) persons were victims of at least one assault
44,100 (0.3%) persons aged 18 years and over were victims of at least one sexual assault.

In total 841,500 persons aged 15 years and over were victims of one or more of these selected personal crimes, equating to an overall personal victimisation prevalence rate of 5.3%.


Changes in victimisation rates over time

In 2005 the victimisation prevalence rate for household crime was 6.2%, compared to 8.9% in 2002. Comparisons with 2002 for all selected types of household crime showed statistically significant decreases in the prevalence rates for:

break-in, where the victimisation rate in 2005 was 3.3% compared with 4.7% in 2002
attempted break-in, where the victimisation rate in 2005 was 2.6% compared with 3.4% in 2002
motor vehicle theft, where the victimisation rate in 2005 was 1.0% compared with 1.8% in 2002.

For personal crime, the victimisation prevalence rate for 2005 remained unchanged from the 2002 figure of 5.3%.

And from the Australian Institute of Criminology:

I'll say it again. We don't possess firearms for self defence, we possess them for sport (that of course excepts police, security and military).

Only about 5% of Australians own firearms (that's legal ones). I'm making that point to demonstrate that we're not big on firearms and that consequently any claim that the buybacks contributed to leaving us as defenceless individuals is complete bullshit.

 

[Agnapostate]

try living 40 miles from S.Central LA......wonderful part of the south land....

Yeah...and that would be just that. 40 miles away. Beverly Hills is closer than that.

I mean, really, I live approximately six to eight miles away from South Central, and I've never claim that I live in "the hood."