40 shot so far IN Chicago this Memorial Day weekend

[Desperado]

Declare all gang members domestic terrorist and put a bounty on their heads,

 

[OldLady]

It's only 7:40AM there on Sunday now and 40 shot so far.

40 people shot so far this Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Did you read this link? It's a war zone in Chicago. They need to bring in the National Guard. or something.

Nah, let them thin the herd. It's a benefit to society

Sometimes out of sheer frustration, I think the same thing. There has to be a better way, though. They're human. Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to go on. Unless the pols don't care anymore than you do.

I have posted an article on gangs and politicians in chicago...the gangs literally pick their Aldermen.......then they go to city hall and protect the gangs interests when it comes to police resources.........

I have wondered if when we finally REALLY crack down on gangs, we will discover that the gangs are as rampant in PD's, local government and business as the Mafia was in its day. Can't think of any other reason why they have been running so rampant for so long.

 

[OldLady]

Jon, do you think most of them even saw the shot coming? Probably not. The trick isn't to arm more people in Chicago. It is to DISARM the gangs and the kids who have the guns illegally.

wont happen

as long as there are gangs

there is going to be violence

the government is not going to solve the problem

certainly not by limiting the honest folks ability to defend themselves

i do agree that the issue is much larger then then guns

that is more of a complete breakdown of decent society

And why can't we do more to break up these gangs? The prison my son works at is full of them, and the majority of inmates there aren't getting out for a very long time, if ever. A complete break down of our ability to stop criminals is more the problem.

it takes a community to do that

there has been a few success stories over the years

it wasnt the government doing it

it was the people of the area that stepped in and took control

and ran the gangs off

The Hells Angels ran out the NYC gangs when they tried to set up shop here in the 80's. It can work, but it was pretty bloody.

Notice.....the Hells Angels did not obey the laws when they dealt with the rival gangs did they?

Pretty doubtful. What is your point?

 

[OldLady]

Did you read this link? It's a war zone in Chicago. They need to bring in the National Guard. or something.

Nah, let them thin the herd. It's a benefit to society

Sometimes out of sheer frustration, I think the same thing. There has to be a better way, though. They're human. Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to go on. Unless the pols don't care anymore than you do.

It's because they hate the answer more than they hate the problem. That single fact explains it all.

What IS the answer?

The answer is simple....Japan stopped Yakuza violence this way....get caught with an illegal gun...30 years in jail.....now even the Yakuza bosses are afraid to even look at a gun....

Long prison sentences are the only way to stop this violence.....nothing else will work.

We can't afford that unless we let a bunch of people already in prison, out.

 

[2aguy]

It's only 7:40AM there on Sunday now and 40 shot so far.

40 people shot so far this Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Did you read this link? It's a war zone in Chicago. They need to bring in the National Guard. or something.

Nah, let them thin the herd. It's a benefit to society

Sometimes out of sheer frustration, I think the same thing. There has to be a better way, though. They're human. Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to go on. Unless the pols don't care anymore than you do.

I have posted an article on gangs and politicians in chicago...the gangs literally pick their Aldermen.......then they go to city hall and protect the gangs interests when it comes to police resources.........

I have wondered if when we finally REALLY crack down on gangs, we will discover that the gangs are as rampant in PD's, local government and business as the Mafia was in its day. Can't think of any other reason why they have been running so rampant for so long.

I have posted the article on this.....the democrat politicians actually sit down for interviews with the gang leaders to petition them for money and support.....

 

[2aguy]

Nah, let them thin the herd. It's a benefit to society

Sometimes out of sheer frustration, I think the same thing. There has to be a better way, though. They're human. Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to go on. Unless the pols don't care anymore than you do.

It's because they hate the answer more than they hate the problem. That single fact explains it all.

What IS the answer?

The answer is simple....Japan stopped Yakuza violence this way....get caught with an illegal gun...30 years in jail.....now even the Yakuza bosses are afraid to even look at a gun....

Long prison sentences are the only way to stop this violence.....nothing else will work.

We can't afford that unless we let a bunch of people already in prison, out.

It costs less to lock them up than to have them running around free....

 

[2aguy]

wont happen

as long as there are gangs

there is going to be violence

the government is not going to solve the problem

certainly not by limiting the honest folks ability to defend themselves

i do agree that the issue is much larger then then guns

that is more of a complete breakdown of decent society

And why can't we do more to break up these gangs? The prison my son works at is full of them, and the majority of inmates there aren't getting out for a very long time, if ever. A complete break down of our ability to stop criminals is more the problem.

it takes a community to do that

there has been a few success stories over the years

it wasnt the government doing it

it was the people of the area that stepped in and took control

and ran the gangs off

The Hells Angels ran out the NYC gangs when they tried to set up shop here in the 80's. It can work, but it was pretty bloody.

Notice.....the Hells Angels did not obey the laws when they dealt with the rival gangs did they?

Pretty doubtful. What is your point?

The hells angels didn't worry about normal people...they actually focused on the other criminals..............and they dealt with the criminals....they didn't catch and release like Chicago does....

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

 

[Divine Wind]

I have wondered if when we finally REALLY crack down on gangs, we will discover that the gangs are as rampant in PD's, local government and business as the Mafia was in its day. Can't think of any other reason why they have been running so rampant for so long.

"REALLY" cracking down on gangs is like waging a war against guerrillas/insurgents. Unless "the people" fully cooperate and support the local government, the "insurgency" will continue to survive.

This Army manual explains how to fight an insurgency: http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/Repository/Materials/COIN-FM3-24.pdf

Obviously the operations would be conducted by local authorities and within the confines of our Constitution, but the strategies and tactics remain the same.

 

[Divine Wind]

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

 

[dannyboys]

Nah, let them thin the herd. It's a benefit to society

Sometimes out of sheer frustration, I think the same thing. There has to be a better way, though. They're human. Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to go on. Unless the pols don't care anymore than you do.

Some of them were probably just walking to a neighbor's, or to the bus, or to buy a gallon of milk.

you see for the most part

these folks are not allowed to defend themselves

and must rely on the government to protect them

which usually shows up minutes to hours after they have been shot dead

Jon, do you think most of them even saw the shot coming? Probably not. The trick isn't to arm more people in Chicago. It is to DISARM the gangs and the kids who have the guns illegally.

That's never going to happen. You can make laws all day long and it's never going to happen

We don't need more laws. We need to enforce the laws we've got. So, gangs and teenagers with their pants around their knees are beyond our ability to control? I don't think we've tried.

LIBs abhore even the thought of 'trying' anything to stop the inner city violence.
Why?
Because any attempt exposes the dilemma of identifying who the people are committing the violence. That would mean having to use words like African/Black//Negro/Person of color.
That will never do!
No. Better to leave 'them' alone.

 

[dannyboys]

There is many times the chance of dying from lighting strike, smoking in bed and falling out of bed than dying from a mass shooting...

Not if you live in South Chicago.

Yes, an area of some of the strictest gun control in country. More gun control = more violence.

You are great at criticizing. Tell us the answer, then. The constructive answer.

There is only one solution:
When you have, generally speaking, a race of people with an average IQ in the low eighties with unlimited access to guns via the Mexican drug cartels who supply 99.99% of the guns along with the hard drugs, all living in inner city shitholes you are going to get S. Chicago.
You could send in 20K NG and remove 99.99% of all guns. Within a few months the mexican cartels would have replaced the seized guns.
The only real solution is to prevent the mexican cartels from smuggling guns and hard drugs into the US.
To do that you would have to BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!!! Sorry. Did I say some 'bad words'?
Explain WHY the mexican government is so opposed to having a 'wall'.
Because the 'wall' stops the 100% corrupt mexican government officials from getting their kick-backs from the drug cartels.
The 'wall' prevents the 100% corrupt mexican government from getting rid of their poor, their illiterates, their mentally ill and their criminals.

 

[dannyboys]

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

So in your opinion would the "optimal solution" for Israel would have been not to build a wall?
The only reason there are any terrorist groups, dedicated to wiping Israel off the map, is because Iran continues to supply all the terrorist groups.
Without Iran the Palestinians would be throwing rocks over the wall.

 

[Divine Wind]

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

So in your opinion would the "optimal solution" for Israel would have been not to build a wall?
The only reason there are any terrorist groups, dedicated to wiping Israel off the map, is because Iran continues to supply all the terrorist groups.
Without Iran the Palestinians would be throwing rocks over the wall.

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

 

[miketx]

You hope so don't you?

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's only 7:40AM there on Sunday now and 40 shot so far.

40 people shot so far this Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Unfortunately since the vast majority of them are black, no one gives a shit, especially not Democrats.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

Though what you say is true, that is the nature of static obstacles. They dont absolutely prevent encroachment, but they do cause the criminals to spend more time and effort to get through and this give law enforcement more time to catch and neutralize them.

The quick and easy wall the Hungarians put up cut down their border crossing rate by more than 95%. That is a damned good reason to put one up over here just like it and it didnt cost them much time or money to build it.

 

[Divine Wind]

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

Though what you say is true, that is the nature of static obstacles. They dont absolutely prevent encroachment, but they do cause the criminals to spend more time and effort to get through and this give law enforcement more time to catch and neutralize them.

The quick and easy wall the Hungarians put up cut down their border crossing rate by more than 95%. That is a damned good reason to put one up over here just like it and it didnt cost them much time or money to build it.

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man"
-- General George S. Patton

 

[JimBowie1958]

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

And what can reduce entry by 95% at the cost of putting up seven strands of concertina wire? I.e. at dirt cheap costs?

 

[Divine Wind]

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

And what can reduce entry by 95% at the cost of putting up seven strands of concertina wire? I.e. at dirt cheap costs?

Arresting, charging and, if convicted, imprisoning anyone who supports illegal immigration by employing, renting to or otherwise enticing foreigners to break our laws.

Isn't it cheaper to round up a few dozen employers than 11 million illegals, most of whom will try to come back? If we imprison millions of illegals, then that costs a bunch of tax payer money too. Better to imprison a few employers/renters and let the illegals self-deport.