4 years of concealed carry guns in Chicago, not one CCW citizen arrested for illegal gun use...

[Skull Pilot]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

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The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate

So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?

It's not the guns it's the socioeconomic and cultural variables that drive crime in Chicago

 

[Taz]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.

But guns are supposed to make everyone safe, what's happening? Are you saying that Chicago isn't safe? So then guns DON'T make people safer?

 

[Skull Pilot]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.

But guns are supposed to make everyone safe, what's happening? Are you saying that Chicago isn't safe? So then guns DON'T make people safer?

I never said guns make everyone safe but guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do not add to the crime and or murder rates

 

[Taz]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...

But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

 

[Taz]

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate

So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?

It's not the guns it's the socioeconomic and cultural variables that drive crime in Chicago

But with so many guns, it should be a really safe place to live, right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...

But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

 

[miketx]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because democrats let criminals out of jail or refuse to prosecute them, that's why. We just saw one in california, a convicted felon caught with over 500 guns arrested and let go by liberal scum bags. That's why we have so much gun crime, because YOUR KIND lets them loose!

 

[Taz]

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.

But guns are supposed to make everyone safe, what's happening? Are you saying that Chicago isn't safe? So then guns DON'T make people safer?

I never said guns make everyone safe but guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do not add to the crime and or murder rates

"I never said guns make everyone safe". I'll hold you to that. Thanks.

 

[Taz]

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...

But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

So that's part of "shall not be infringed"?

 

[Skull Pilot]

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate

So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?

It's not the guns it's the socioeconomic and cultural variables that drive crime in Chicago

But with so many guns, it should be a really safe place to live, right?

No. It's not a safe place to live because of chronic poverty and the crime that accompanies it.

You do know that the people doing the killing in Chicago are mostly ineligible to legally own firearms don't you?

 

[Taz]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because democrats let criminals out of jail or refuse to prosecute them, that's why. We just saw one in california, a convicted felon caught with over 500 guns arrested and let go by liberal scum bags. That's why we have so much gun crime, because YOUR KIND lets them loose!

I've never voted from the Democrats. Poor you. Please try again soon.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?

They'd need gun laws that work.

They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.

But guns are supposed to make everyone safe, what's happening? Are you saying that Chicago isn't safe? So then guns DON'T make people safer?

I never said guns make everyone safe but guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do not add to the crime and or murder rates

"I never said guns make everyone safe". I'll hold you to that. Thanks.

Go ahead. In fact why don't you try to find anywhere where I have ever stated that guns make everyone safe.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...

But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

So that's part of "shall not be infringed"?

I never had a problem with people convicted of felonies being denied any of their rights

 

[Taz]

They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate

So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?

It's not the guns it's the socioeconomic and cultural variables that drive crime in Chicago

But with so many guns, it should be a really safe place to live, right?

No. It's not a safe place to live because of chronic poverty and the crime that accompanies it.

You do know that the people doing the killing in Chicago are mostly ineligible to legally own firearms don't you?

It's ok, you can stop, you already admitted that guns don't make people safe. Now where's 2aguy...

 

[miketx]

We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'
Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

• Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
• They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
• The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.

----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because democrats let criminals out of jail or refuse to prosecute them, that's why. We just saw one in california, a convicted felon caught with over 500 guns arrested and let go by liberal scum bags. That's why we have so much gun crime, because YOUR KIND lets them loose!

I've never voted from the Democrats. Poor you. Please try again soon.

Twist smoke spin, lather rinse repeat.

 

[Taz]

They'd need gun laws that work.

They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.

But guns are supposed to make everyone safe, what's happening? Are you saying that Chicago isn't safe? So then guns DON'T make people safer?

I never said guns make everyone safe but guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do not add to the crime and or murder rates

"I never said guns make everyone safe". I'll hold you to that. Thanks.

Go ahead. In fact why don't you try to find anywhere where I have ever stated that guns make everyone safe.

I just wanted you to admit that guns don't make people safe. My job is done with you. Thanks for playing.

 

[Taz]

But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

So that's part of "shall not be infringed"?

I never had a problem with people convicted of felonies being denied any of their rights

So you're against the 2nd Amendment as well! Will wonders never cease?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate

So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?

It's not the guns it's the socioeconomic and cultural variables that drive crime in Chicago

But with so many guns, it should be a really safe place to live, right?

No. It's not a safe place to live because of chronic poverty and the crime that accompanies it.

You do know that the people doing the killing in Chicago are mostly ineligible to legally own firearms don't you?

It's ok, you can stop, you already admitted that guns don't make people safe. Now where's 2aguy...

Twisting the words.

I said guns don't make EVERYONE safe.
Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do not make people unsafe

The gun is neutral

 

[Skull Pilot]

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

So that's part of "shall not be infringed"?

I never had a problem with people convicted of felonies being denied any of their rights

So you're against the 2nd Amendment as well! Will wonders never cease?

If stupid was money you'd be a billionaire.

 

[miketx]

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing

So when you do it, it's not gun-grabbing, but when someone wants to do it to you, it is. Got it.

There are people who are legally eligible to own guns and people who are not, Moron.

So that's part of "shall not be infringed"?

I never had a problem with people convicted of felonies being denied any of their rights

So you're against the 2nd Amendment as well! Will wonders never cease?

Smoke twist and spin, lather rinse repeat.