32k Private Jobs lost in November. Another hole in the MAGA Economic fantasy

[Dekster]

I expect the real BLS report will be more muted with no great gains or losses

 

[KissMy]

Every source agrees that the US lost manufacturing jobs

But there is no consensus why

If you think its tariffs tell me how lower tariffs and more chinese imports is good for US manufacturing

TACO is why nobody is going to risk it all to start manufacturing in the USA.

Tariffs need to equal the US employment taxes.

Employers must feel assured tariff policy is set for more than 15 years & won't change at the whim of a lying salesman politician.

 

[postman]

I can tell you in my part of the country, factories are hiring bigtime. $21/hr to start. Thank you, President Trump! So many dunderheads fail the drug test, though (Thanks, liberals).

Well Trump did pardon the guy who helped import 400 tons of cocaine into the USA.

That's enough to overdose every person in the USA.

Or enough to keep Charlie Sheen and Robert Downey Jr happy for a weekend.

 

[postman]

And he is, you dumb son of a *****. Four years of turbo economic destruction takes time to correct.

Now, go learn how to wipe your own ass.

Grocery prices went up, instead of down.
Trumps tariffs mean girls can only get two dolls instead of five.
And boys only get 5 pencils instead of twenty.

 

[westwall]

Grocery prices went up, instead of down.
Trumps tariffs mean girls can only get two dolls instead of five.
And boys only get 5 pencils instead of twenty.

FOUR YEARS of corrupt Biden INTENTIONAL destruction of the economy takes time to fix.

 

[postman]

TACO is why nobody is going to risk it all to start manufacturing in the USA.

Tariffs need to equal the US employment taxes.

Employers must feel assured tariff policy is set for more than 15 years & won't change at the whim of a lying salesman politician.

This is why the tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back on any big scale. Companies aren't going to invest $1 billion to build a factory here that will take 4 years to complete.

Only to have the tariffs dropped, and their $1 billion investment go down the drain.

 

[postman]

FOUR YEARS of corrupt Biden INTENTIONAL destruction of the economy takes time to fix.

Yet Trump said he could fix it starting on day one.
He could end the war in Ukraine on day one.
He could fix grocery prices.

Suddenly Trump's one day wonders are taking over a year or more.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Biden had 4 years to wreck the economy it will take more than one to fix it

Then Trump should not have promised he would make things better on day one. It shows he does not know what he is talking about or he is a liar. I would say he is both. And people believe his lies. How can they.

 

[westwall]

Yet Trump said he could fix it starting on day one.
He could end the war in Ukraine on day one.
He could fix grocery prices.

Suddenly Trump's one day wonders are taking over a year or more.

And he has been. Try and keep up.

 

[postman]

Then Trump should not have promised he would make things better on day one. It shows he does not know what he is talking about or he is a liar. I would say he is both. And people believe his lies. How can they.

I know people who voted for Trump because he promised day one economic relief.

But Trump is like a lifeguard who sees someone drowning. Telling them, he's coming to their rescue.
Just give him six months to get there.

 

[Hafar1014]

Then Trump should not have promised he would make things better on day one. It shows he does not know what he is talking about or he is a liar. I would say he is both. And people believe his lies. How can they.

Things are better. GDP 3.8% wages are up rents down, inflation slowing, tariffs have reduced the annual deficit and will pay it off in 3 years, gas under 3 dollars, we have stopped the gender absurdity, and DEI hiring the incompetent, we have workable energy policies now. We have huge tax cuts for the middle class the elderly and increased benefits for families. Almost 3 million illegal invaders deported. All in 11 months. Not bad
Some prices are still up thanks to Bidens inflation.

 

[Hafar1014]

I know people who voted for Trump because he promised day one economic relief.

But Trump is like a lifeguard who sees someone drowning. Telling them, he's coming to their rescue.
Just give him six months to get there.

Things are better. GDP 3.8% wages are up rents down, inflation slowing, tariffs have reduced the annual deficit and will pay it off in 3 years, gas under 3 dollars, we have stopped the gender absurdity, and DEI hiring the incompetent, we have workable energy policies now. We have huge tax cuts for the middle class the elderly and increased benefits for families.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Things are better. GDP 3.8% wages are up rents down, inflation slowing, tariffs have reduced the annual deficit and will pay it off in 3 years, gas under 3 dollars, we have stopped the gender absurdity, and DEI hiring the incompetent, we have workable energy policies now. We have huge tax cuts for the middle class the elderly and increased benefits for families. Almost 3 million illegal invaders deported. All in 11 months. Not bad
Some prices are still up thanks to Bidens inflation.

Wrong. You believe every lie Trump tells you. Do your research. Use your brain.
GDP was up 3.8% in the 2nd quarter of 2025. It was down .6% in the first quarter of 2025
In 2023, under Biden, GDP was up 6.59% and 2.8$ in 2024

In 2025 (through October), monthly deficits have ranged from ~$197 billion (Sept) to ~$344 billion (Aug), with year‑to‑date totals already exceeding $257 billion by October. NO SURPLUS.

Affordability Under Trump (2025)​

Factor	Trump Administration’s Claim	Independent Data & Public Perception
Food Prices	Trump officials highlight falling egg and bread prices	Overall grocery costs rose slightly between Dec 2024–Jul 2025; families still report strain
Energy Costs	Trump says gas prices are “way down”	Energy prices fell ~2.6%, but many items (electricity, heating) remain higher than pre‑Trump
Housing	Administration argues affordability is improving	Rent and mortgage costs remain elevated; housing affordability crisis persists
Overall Inflation	Trump claims he “fixed” Biden’s affordability crisis	Inflation cooled to ~3% in late 2025, but families still spend ~$700 more per month vs. pre‑Trump
Public Opinion	Trump calls affordability concerns a “con job”	46% of Americans say cost of living is the worst they can remember; even 37% of Trump voters agree

 

[Hafar1014]

Wrong. You believe every lie Trump tells you. Do your research. Use your brain.
GDP was up 3.8% in the 2nd quarter of 2025. It was down .6% in the first quarter of 2025
In 2023, under Biden, GDP was up 6.59% and 2.8$ in 2024

In 2025 (through October), monthly deficits have ranged from ~$197 billion (Sept) to ~$344 billion (Aug), with year‑to‑date totals already exceeding $257 billion by October. NO SURPLUS.

Affordability Under Trump (2025)​

Factor	Trump Administration’s Claim	Independent Data & Public Perception
Food Prices	Trump officials highlight falling egg and bread prices	Overall grocery costs rose slightly between Dec 2024–Jul 2025; families still report strain
Energy Costs	Trump says gas prices are “way down”	Energy prices fell ~2.6%, but many items (electricity, heating) remain higher than pre‑Trump
Housing	Administration argues affordability is improving	Rent and mortgage costs remain elevated; housing affordability crisis persists
Overall Inflation	Trump claims he “fixed” Biden’s affordability crisis	Inflation cooled to ~3% in late 2025, but families still spend ~$700 more per month vs. pre‑Trump
Public Opinion	Trump calls affordability concerns a “con job”	46% of Americans say cost of living is the worst they can remember; even 37% of Trump voters agree

In many ways its still the Biden economy.
U.S. federal government had a deficit of $1.78 trillion in Fiscal Year 2025 Thats down because of tariffs
Bidens jobs and GDP were over 40% government spending funded by debt. Thats a false economy. Its like living off your credit card and only paying the interest.
Bidens 9% inflation and massive debt based spending along with energy policies that drove up gas wrecked the economy. Thats why his own party fired him

 

[Mac-7]

TACO is why nobody is going to risk it all to start manufacturing in the USA.

Tariffs need to equal the US employment taxes.

Employers must feel assured tariff policy is set for more than 15 years & won't change at the whim of a lying salesman politician.

Employers fear wacko libs such as AOC, mandami, newsom , ect

 

[Hafar1014]

Employers fear wacko libs such as AOC, mandami, newsom , ect

Yes, European manufacturing is significantly increasing investment and operations in the U.S., driven by lower energy costs, political stability, U.S. government incentives (like the IRA), and a desire to diversify supply chains away from potential disruptions, with major investments seen in autos (Stellantis, VW), chemicals (OCI, Air Liquide), pharma (Sanofi), and technology, boosting U.S. manufacturing capacity and creating jobs across various states like Alabama, Texas, and the Midwest.
Key Drivers for European Investment:

• Energy Costs & Stability: Cheaper and more stable energy in the U.S. attracts energy-intensive industries like chemicals and steel, notes Reuters and OERTZENGroup, reports Area Development Magazine and Wealth Management, say Wealth Management.
• Supply Chain Resilience: Companies seek to reduce risks from geopolitical issues and trade volatility, as noted by Reuters and Jaggaer.
• U.S. Incentives: The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) offers significant tax credits, attracting companies like Tesla to rethink German battery production for U.S. investment.
• Market Access & Trade Deals: New EU-U.S. trade agreements enhance market access, making the U.S. a more attractive base, according to EEAS and the White House.

Examples of European Companies Investing in U.S. Manufacturing:

• Automotive: Stellantis (Chrysler, Jeep) adding 5,000 jobs in the Midwest; Volkswagen expanding Audi production in North America.
• Chemicals/Energy: Air Liquide (industrial gases) investing in Louisiana; OCI investing in Texas.
• Pharmaceuticals: Sanofi boosting U.S. R&D and manufacturing with billions in investment.
• Technology/Other: Danish jeweler Pandora expanding U.S. presence; Samsung considering moving dryer production to South Carolina.

Impact on U.S.:

• This trend positions the U.S. as a key manufacturing hub, bringing jobs and advanced production, notes the White House.
• States like Alabama have long attracted European manufacturers due to skilled labor and business-friendly environments, reports European CEO.

• Fact Sheet: The United States and European Union Reach ...
  Jul 27, 2025 — The deal marks a generational modernization of the transatlantic alliance and will provide Americans with unprecedente...
  The White House (.gov)
• What's Attracting European Manufacturers to the U.S. Markets?
  Oct 4, 2022 — European companies that have recently announced plans to open U.S. facilities or beef-up production at existing ones in...
  Wealth Management
• Foreign companies eye US expansion to lessen fallout from ...
  Oct 14, 2025 — The tech giant is considering moving manufacturing of dryers from Mexico to its plant in South Carolina, Korea Economi...
  Reuters

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[ElmerMudd]

Yes, European manufacturing is significantly increasing investment and operations in the U.S., driven by lower energy costs, political stability, U.S. government incentives (like the IRA), and a desire to diversify supply chains away from potential disruptions, with major investments seen in autos (Stellantis, VW), chemicals (OCI, Air Liquide), pharma (Sanofi), and technology, boosting U.S. manufacturing capacity and creating jobs across various states like Alabama, Texas, and the Midwest.
Key Drivers for European Investment:

• Energy Costs & Stability: Cheaper and more stable energy in the U.S. attracts energy-intensive industries like chemicals and steel, notes Reuters and OERTZENGroup, reports Area Development Magazine and Wealth Management, say Wealth Management.
• Supply Chain Resilience: Companies seek to reduce risks from geopolitical issues and trade volatility, as noted by Reuters and Jaggaer.
• U.S. Incentives: The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) offers significant tax credits, attracting companies like Tesla to rethink German battery production for U.S. investment.
• Market Access & Trade Deals: New EU-U.S. trade agreements enhance market access, making the U.S. a more attractive base, according to EEAS and the White House.

Examples of European Companies Investing in U.S. Manufacturing:

• Automotive: Stellantis (Chrysler, Jeep) adding 5,000 jobs in the Midwest; Volkswagen expanding Audi production in North America.
• Chemicals/Energy: Air Liquide (industrial gases) investing in Louisiana; OCI investing in Texas.
• Pharmaceuticals: Sanofi boosting U.S. R&D and manufacturing with billions in investment.
• Technology/Other: Danish jeweler Pandora expanding U.S. presence; Samsung considering moving dryer production to South Carolina.

Impact on U.S.:

• This trend positions the U.S. as a key manufacturing hub, bringing jobs and advanced production, notes the White House.
• States like Alabama have long attracted European manufacturers due to skilled labor and business-friendly environments, reports European CEO.

• Fact Sheet: The United States and European Union Reach ...
  Jul 27, 2025 — The deal marks a generational modernization of the transatlantic alliance and will provide Americans with unprecedente...
  The White House (.gov)
• What's Attracting European Manufacturers to the U.S. Markets?
  Oct 4, 2022 — European companies that have recently announced plans to open U.S. facilities or beef-up production at existing ones in...
  Wealth Management
• Foreign companies eye US expansion to lessen fallout from ...
  Oct 14, 2025 — The tech giant is considering moving manufacturing of dryers from Mexico to its plant in South Carolina, Korea Economi...
  Reuters

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That is not happening

Direct Answer: Since Donald Trump was elected, the U.S. has lost tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs, with recent analyses showing a decline of about 42,000 jobs since April 2025 alone, largely attributed to tariffs and trade policies. Over the broader span of his presidency, estimates suggest nearly 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost, despite claims of new positions being created.

Manufacturing Job Trends Under Trump​

Short-Term Losses (2025)​

• 42,000 jobs lost since April 2025: Employers shed 12,000 manufacturing jobs in August alone.
• Tariffs as a key driver: Analysts point to Trump’s steep tariffs as increasing costs for businesses, leading to layoffs and slowed hiring.
• Sector-specific pain: Industries like steel and automotive have been hit hardest, with middle-class manufacturing workers disproportionately affected.

Longer-Term Picture (2017–2025)​

• Net decline of ~200,000 jobs: Despite announcements of new investments (e.g., Siemens adding 900 jobs), overall manufacturing employment shrank significantly during Trump’s tenure.
• Contrast with Biden era: By October 2024, the Biden administration had overseen the creation of over 700,000 manufacturing jobs, highlighting the divergence in outcomes.
• Policy mismatch: While Trump’s administration claimed tariffs would “bring jobs back,” data shows the opposite effect, with higher prices and supply chain disruptions accelerating losses.

 

[Hafar1014]

That is not happening

Direct Answer: Since Donald Trump was elected, the U.S. has lost tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs, with recent analyses showing a decline of about 42,000 jobs since April 2025 alone, largely attributed to tariffs and trade policies. Over the broader span of his presidency, estimates suggest nearly 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost, despite claims of new positions being created.

Manufacturing Job Trends Under Trump​

Short-Term Losses (2025)​

• 42,000 jobs lost since April 2025: Employers shed 12,000 manufacturing jobs in August alone.
• Tariffs as a key driver: Analysts point to Trump’s steep tariffs as increasing costs for businesses, leading to layoffs and slowed hiring.
• Sector-specific pain: Industries like steel and automotive have been hit hardest, with middle-class manufacturing workers disproportionately affected.

Longer-Term Picture (2017–2025)​

• Net decline of ~200,000 jobs: Despite announcements of new investments (e.g., Siemens adding 900 jobs), overall manufacturing employment shrank significantly during Trump’s tenure.
• Contrast with Biden era: By October 2024, the Biden administration had overseen the creation of over 700,000 manufacturing jobs, highlighting the divergence in outcomes.
• Policy mismatch: While Trump’s administration claimed tariffs would “bring jobs back,” data shows the opposite effect, with higher prices and supply chain disruptions accelerating losses.

Thats google AI

 

[ElmerMudd]

Thats google AI

Yes it is. It is an aggregation of many data bases from diverse sources, Where did your info come from?

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes it is. It is an aggregation of many data bases from diverse sources, Where did your info come from?

Google is biased and their AI isnt always accurate. I have used it at times after reviewing it. Remember AI is created by person