2nd Amendment should not be infringed upon because of Las Vegas shooter.

[Taz]

We as a nation should not accept regular mass shootings. But we have, and in the process, have lost our way as a civilized society.

Commendable.

We're not giving up our guns!

It's a false narrative to say that anyone wants you to give up ALL your guns.

 

[Taz]

Looks like YOU have.

Very well.

I accept regular mass shootings.

In response, I demand that we have open-carry, equal firepower to defend ourselves. Machine guns for all.

Like I said, the US has lost its way as a civilized society.

No, we haven't. America, or any civilized society, ever punish the innocent for the crimes of a few guilty people.

There's the mass shootings, all the hating on blacks, Mexicans, gays... All the wars... We've lost our way for sure. You just don't even know it, because someone waved the 2nd Amendment and you went into a perpetual frenzy.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

It's not going to happen anyway. I think certain sensible restrictions should be enacted, but the 2nd Amendment is safe.

Murder is already against the law, so how many more restrictions do you need to tell the criminal not to use a gun in their murder sprees?

 

[danielpalos]

I believe we merely need to insist, our legislators do their Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[52ndStreet]

The ultimate goal of the liberal left is to confiscate all guns and rifles of American citizens and other nations on the Earth. Some New World Order liberal left agenda.Do the research!!. This is a fact.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not going to happen anyway. I think certain sensible restrictions should be enacted, but the 2nd Amendment is safe.

we already have plenty of sensible restrictions and quite a few that aren't so sensible

You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?

IMO as a gun owner; there is no need for any civilian to own an automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

Here are all the victims of the Las Vegas shooting

Prove your claim. I don't need a reason to own a gun, I have a right. And SCUM like you will Not TAKE IT.

I didn't write that you didn't have a right. My opinion in no way infringes your rights under the second amendment.

The 2nd amendment promotes a standing CIVILIAN army. (militia) Why shouldn't civilians have access to the VERY SAME weapons?

The 2nd amendment promotes an organized militia. Cletus and his buddies in a pickup truck ARE NOT an organized militia.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not going to happen anyway. I think certain sensible restrictions should be enacted, but the 2nd Amendment is safe.

we already have plenty of sensible restrictions and quite a few that aren't so sensible

You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?

IMO as a gun owner; there is no need for any civilian to own an automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

Here are all the victims of the Las Vegas shooting

Hey...moron....you can't buy allergy medicine easier than an AK.....are you really that fucking stupid? Or are you just trolling the thread?

Self Defense is the reason civilians need semi auto weapons...and notice to all 2nd Amendment supporters how this idiot chose his/her words.....

They said "Semi-automatic weapons" which means pistols as well as rifles.......that isn't a slip...that is what they want....all guns....

I wrote, "You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?"

 

[OnePercenter]

The ultimate goal of the liberal left is to confiscate all guns and rifles of American citizens and other nations on the Earth. Some New World Order liberal left agenda.Do the research!!. This is a fact.

No it's not.

 

[Leo123]

we already have plenty of sensible restrictions and quite a few that aren't so sensible

You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?

IMO as a gun owner; there is no need for any civilian to own an automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

Here are all the victims of the Las Vegas shooting

Prove your claim. I don't need a reason to own a gun, I have a right. And SCUM like you will Not TAKE IT.

I didn't write that you didn't have a right. My opinion in no way infringes your rights under the second amendment.

The 2nd amendment promotes a standing CIVILIAN army. (militia) Why shouldn't civilians have access to the VERY SAME weapons?

The 2nd amendment promotes an organized militia. Cletus and his buddies in a pickup truck ARE NOT an organized militia.

Well when Clintus shows up at your door to take you to jail you'll be happy to see Cletus and his buddies coming to protect you.

 

[2aguy]

It's not going to happen anyway. I think certain sensible restrictions should be enacted, but the 2nd Amendment is safe.

we already have plenty of sensible restrictions and quite a few that aren't so sensible

You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?

IMO as a gun owner; there is no need for any civilian to own an automatic or semi-automatic weapon.

Here are all the victims of the Las Vegas shooting

Hey...moron....you can't buy allergy medicine easier than an AK.....are you really that fucking stupid? Or are you just trolling the thread?

Self Defense is the reason civilians need semi auto weapons...and notice to all 2nd Amendment supporters how this idiot chose his/her words.....

They said "Semi-automatic weapons" which means pistols as well as rifles.......that isn't a slip...that is what they want....all guns....

I wrote, "You can buy an AK-47 easier than allergy medicine. How is that sensible?"

You can't......if you are a felon, you can't buy, own or carry one....you can buy all the allergy medicine you want. You have to go through a background check when you buy a civilian model of the AK at a gun store...you don't even need I.D. to by allergy medicine......you have to fill out paperwork to buy any gun......none for allergy medicine...

 

[2aguy]

We as a nation should not accept any Democratic attempt to infringe on our second amendment rights, by the likes of a Diane Feinstein or any other democratic politician, because of the Las Vegas shooter.

But it's okay to infringe on the rights of gay people and black people though

Republicans freed black people from the democrats in the 1860s ...but it did take longer to force democrats to stop murdering blacks and denying them their civil rights......What Rights do gay people not have?

 

[2aguy]

Where has anyone accepted it?

I want people who do it to be executed.

you need to understand that last part PEOPLE WHO COMMIT MASS MURDER not people who don't

You've accepted mass shooting since you've never wanted to do anything meaningful to stop them.

And explain how you intend to stop them?

By disarming everyone else?

By copying laws in countries that have the least of regular mass shootings.

You mean Britain....where they did everything you want, they banned and confisated guns...and the only reason they don't have more mass public shootings is dumb luck, bad shooting and their nuts just don't do them as often.....?

And where after they banned guns......their gun crime rates skyrocketed and keep going up...you mean like that?

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Can you link these stats to anything in particular that we are talking about? Or are you just letting off steam because :
View attachment 154073

Yes...homicides are not just murder...but thanks for posting that crap....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack.....and to save lives, and once in a great while they even stop mass public shootings......

And now the whole truth....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

I can demand something be done.

None of my firearms have been used in mass shootings.

What do you intend to do, besides disarming everyone?

See what I'm saying? You're not even going to attempt to try anything because your brain is stuck on your false mantra.

False mantra?

What do you intend to do?

I can attempt to do many things.

Imprison these people for life. Total seclusion. No amenities.

Hard labor.

Firing squad.

An example will be set for those who think murder is acceptable.

Other countries have disarmed their citizens. And this hasn't worked.

Our mass murderers seem to have one thing in common.

Prescription medication.

Mass murder is a recent phenomenon.

Again. Besides disarming the entire nation what would you do?

Actually, Japan "disarmed" its citizens and has an extremely low gun crime rate. Among others.

You do realize that their gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rate...right? Their culture, not their gun control laws, keep all of their crime rates low......you might want to do some research on the topic....you are fooled the same way many other gun grabbers are by the Japanese gun control myth...

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics?

No, they don't.

A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

You're close to the ignore button, you should try to calm down. Nobody reads your copy&paste obsession. Make a point, then add a link to a credible source, if I need more info to check out what you say, I'll do it.

Oh...I get it......you get exposed by real information about Japan, Australia and Britain......and you have no response....

 

[Taz]

You've accepted mass shooting since you've never wanted to do anything meaningful to stop them.

And explain how you intend to stop them?

By disarming everyone else?

By copying laws in countries that have the least of regular mass shootings.

You mean Britain....where they did everything you want, they banned and confisated guns...and the only reason they don't have more mass public shootings is dumb luck, bad shooting and their nuts just don't do them as often.....?

And where after they banned guns......their gun crime rates skyrocketed and keep going up...you mean like that?

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Can you link these stats to anything in particular that we are talking about? Or are you just letting off steam because :
View attachment 154073

Yes...homicides are not just murder...but thanks for posting that crap....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack.....and to save lives, and once in a great while they even stop mass public shootings......

And now the whole truth....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Can you make a point without barfing up copy&paste all the time?

 

[Rustic]

We as a nation should not accept any Democratic attempt to infringe on our second amendment rights, by the likes of a Diane Feinstein or any other democratic politician, because of the Las Vegas shooter.

We as a nation should not accept regular mass shootings. But we have, and in the process, have lost our way as a civilized society.

Political correctness has destroyed everything in this country

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We as a nation should not accept regular mass shootings. But we have, and in the process, have lost our way as a civilized society.

Commendable.

We're not giving up our guns!

It's a false narrative to say that anyone wants you to give up ALL your guns.

It’s a lie to say anyone wants gun owners to ‘give up’ all their guns.

Of course, that’s what most conservatives are: liars.

And they contrive and propagate lies about firearm regulatory measures as they do most everything else.

 

[danielpalos]

The ultimate goal of the liberal left is to confiscate all guns and rifles of American citizens and other nations on the Earth. Some New World Order liberal left agenda.Do the research!!. This is a fact.

I believe we merely need to insist, our legislators do their Job.

 

[BlackSand]

It’s a lie to say anyone wants gun owners to ‘give up’ all their guns.

Of course, that’s what most conservatives are: liars.

And they contrive and propagate lies about firearm regulatory measures as they do most everything else.

That's what they said last time ... And what they will say next time ...

Of course they don't want to take all of your guns.
Well, not all at once anyway ... They'll just keep chipping away at your rights until your surrender is inevitable.

.

 

[danielpalos]

You've accepted mass shooting since you've never wanted to do anything meaningful to stop them.

And explain how you intend to stop them?

By disarming everyone else?

By copying laws in countries that have the least of regular mass shootings.

You mean Britain....where they did everything you want, they banned and confisated guns...and the only reason they don't have more mass public shootings is dumb luck, bad shooting and their nuts just don't do them as often.....?

And where after they banned guns......their gun crime rates skyrocketed and keep going up...you mean like that?

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Can you link these stats to anything in particular that we are talking about? Or are you just letting off steam because :
View attachment 154073

Yes...homicides are not just murder...but thanks for posting that crap....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack.....and to save lives, and once in a great while they even stop mass public shootings......

And now the whole truth....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

A fallacy of false Cause? Health and safety codes have been, "improved or improving", since Reagan got shot.

Your analogy holds for automobile deaths as well. Health and safety in automobiles, are now, "more well established".

 

[danielpalos]

It’s a lie to say anyone wants gun owners to ‘give up’ all their guns.

Of course, that’s what most conservatives are: liars.

And they contrive and propagate lies about firearm regulatory measures as they do most everything else.

That's what they said last time ... And what they will say next time ...

Of course they don't want to take all of your guns.
Well, not all at once anyway ... They'll just keep chipping away at your rights until your surrender is inevitable.

.

Gun lovers are simply too lazy to muster. Well regulated militia of the whole People, don't have that problem.