235 Years

[Mac1958]

Oh, the 80 year old+ MAGAtards are going to meltdown over this question.

But ignore them.

Because LOL

I included the "victimhood" part because I knew they'd say it was only because the poor thing has been so persecuted that he HAD to ask for immunity. Because everyone is just so darn mean 'n stuff.

It isn't because he's a lying, thieving con man who doesn't want to be held accountable for anything.

Who could have imagined this chaos, pre-Escalator Day.

 

[Mac1958]

235 years ago the democrats weren’t trying to use lawfare to send Washington to prison. 235 years ago democrats weren’t as bad as they are today.

And another "victimhood" response, as predicted.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Presidential pardon is an official act.

Get back to me when you can understand such simple concepts.

that’s not what the ruling said

 

[Billiejeens]

An official act, even if done for personal gain, can't be criminally prosecuted according to this ruling.

Presidents can't be prosecuted for actions relating to the core powers of their office.

Do you get it or will we have to have a few more round abouts?

That is literally not what the ruling said at all.

 

[AntonToo]

That is literally not what the ruling said at all.

No?

Well I’ve got a crazy idea for you - instead sticking your fingers in your ears and going “no no no”, why don’t you actually explain in what way it doesn’t say that.

 

[AntonToo]

that’s not what the ruling said

Ruling said that a pardon is not an official act?

You sure about that one dummy?

 

[citygator]

Oh no. The government has to act within the Constitutional restraints. That’s horrible. We could have had a left wing court granting all authority to unelected admin’s instead. That would have been so awesome. We could have been ruled by some idiot in an office somewhere. It’s sad we passed on that.

Show me in the constitution where it says Presidents have immunity. It doesnt. They made it up. Just like they made up the Roe overturn. The key is that they are political now throwing shit against the wall. It is an abortion of our country that was rooted in law. Now its an attempt to control the majority through force. That wont end well for the right.

 

[martybegan]

Ruling said that a pardon is not an official act?

You sure about that one dummy?

A pardon is an official act, taking a bribe for it is not.

 

[martybegan]

Show me in the constitution where it says Presidents have immunity. It doesnt. They made it up. Just like they made up the Roe overturn. The key is that they are political now throwing shit against the wall. It is an abortion of our country that was rooted in law. Now its an attempt to control the majority through force. That wont end well for the right.

The only thing the federal government can do to a President constitutionally is impeach him or her.

That implies congress is the only body that can go after a sitting President. You can go from there that that means congress is the only one that can go after a President for Presidential acts.

Without some form of immunity, say the President pardons someone, and that person then kills another person. without some form of immunity the President could be held liable as an accessory to that crime.

Or in the case of when Obama authorized a drone strike and killed a US citizen, without immunity Obama could theoretically be prosecuted for that.

 

[AntonToo]

A pardon is an official act, taking a bribe for it is not.

Causes for official acts can’t be indicted by the prosecutors.

A bribe is not ONE thing, it has two components, QUID and QUO and this ruling throws out any criminally establish-able connection between the two.

Prosecutorial presumption now has to be that any official act by POTUS was done for legal reason.

 

[martybegan]

Causes for official acts can’t be indicted by the prosecutors.

A bribe is not ONE thing, it has two components, QUID and QUO and this ruling throws out any criminally establish-able connection between the two.

Prosecutorial presumption now has to be that any official act by POTUS was done for legal reason.

And that 2nd component is not an official act. If you read Robert's opinion this shit is covered in it.

That has been the presumption for the past two fucking centuries, it only became a question because of Dem lawfare over GET TEH TRUMPZ!!!!

 

[Billiejeens]

No?

Well I’ve got a crazy idea for you - instead sticking your fingers in your ears and going “no no no”, why don’t you actually explain in what way it doesn’t say that.

I spent a large amount of time educating people like you, yesterday, on this.
were you not around?

It's simple.
It's not nearly as convoluted as you lunatics want it to be.

 

[SeaMajor7]

You are an idiot and have no bussiness arguing legal matters.

Know thyself.

IRONY

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I spent a large amount of time educating people like you, yesterday, on this.
were you not around?

It's simple.
It's not nearly as convoluted as you lunatics want it to be.

They view everything through orange man lens. It has infected their entire body now.

 

[berg80]

Who could have imagined this chaos, pre-Escalator Day.

I was just having a conversation with a friend along the same lines. 8 years ago if you told me Trump would be the nominee again after being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, being found liable for tax fraud, being charged for plotting to overturn the election, being found guilty of covering up an adulterous affair with a star of pornographic films, being charged for the theft of classified documents including violating a subpoena demanding their return, violating gag orders, threatening members of the court, botching the response to COVID, taking Putin's side over the IC, extorting a foreign leader over help with his re-election, I would not have believed you.

I under estimated the blind allegiance of his cult.

 

[berg80]

They view everything through orange man lens. It has infected their entire body now.

He is in complete control of your party and your mind.

 

[Billiejeens]

Morning recap.

The high court ruled 6-3 along ideological lines that certain official acts by presidents are not prosecutable at all, while other official acts require the government to meet high criteria before it can criminally charge a president for them. The ruling was a massive blow to Jack Smith’s case, which could look like a shell of its former self once the lower courts have sifted through it to align it with the Supreme Court’s guidance.

The high court’s majority divided presidential acts into three categories:

official acts that are absolutely immune from prosecution,

official acts that are presumptively immune from prosecution until the government can prove the prosecution would not threaten the authority of the executive branch,

and unofficial acts, which can always be prosecuted.

 

[Billiejeens]

I was just having a conversation with a friend along the same lines. 8 years ago if you told me Trump would be the nominee again after being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, being found liable for tax fraud, being charged for plotting to overturn the election, being found guilty of covering up an adulterous affair with a star of pornographic films, being charged for the theft of classified documents including violating a subpoena demanding their return, violating gag orders, threatening members of the court, botching the response to COVID, taking Putin's side over the IC, extorting a foreign leader over help with his re-election, I would not have believed you.

I under estimated the blind allegiance of his cult.

Or -

You underestimated the Blind Ignorance of those such as yourself and the fact that your echo chamber has led you to believe that all of those things actually happened.

 

[Billiejeens]

He is in complete control of your party and your mind.

I love that he is in control - he is an excellent leader.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He is in complete control of your party and your mind.

Not I but the orange convicted baboon has been doing the two step, sashaying in your minds for 8 years now. You're fully consumed. Lol.