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They had their chance they did in fact have a fillabuster proof congress how about you keep up.Filibuster.
Then why didn't dems raise taxes when they had their super majority?.....![]()
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They had their chance they did in fact have a fillabuster proof congress how about you keep up.Filibuster.
Then why didn't dems raise taxes when they had their super majority?.....![]()
Try keeping up.
Attack them for WHAT???What's your point, moron?
Why aren't you attacking you're billionaire democrats? Come on moron stop being a hypocrate,
C'mon, Rebecca: FOCUS!![]()
Filibuster.
Then why didn't dems raise taxes when they had their super majority?.....![]()
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The Bush tax cuts weren't going to expire until January 2011.Filibuster.Then why didn't dems raise taxes when they had their super majority?.....![]()
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Actually, they did have a filibuster proof majority.... but please don't let facts get in the way of your partisan ranting... no need to break the habit now.![]()
Nice form on the side step I give you a 9.6 out of 10 that reminds me isn't that also obama's unemployment numbers?The Bush tax cuts weren't going to expire until January 2011.Filibuster.
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Actually, they did have a filibuster proof majority.... but please don't let facts get in the way of your partisan ranting... no need to break the habit now.![]()
Filibuster.
Then why didn't dems raise taxes when they had their super majority?.....![]()
Try keeping up.
Well, those damn tax and spend bleeding heart liberals. I should have realized.And what do you do when this isn't enough to cover what those bleeding heart liberals have not already given away...What do we do then...We get Bernie Sanders and Debbie Wasserman Feingold Harris Silverstein Saperstein Schultz....did i get all her names in there? we get these people to go out and say that the rich need to give up more of what they have earned.....Stop it please will ya?![]()
While I don't think a discussion on where some of our tax money goes, nor a discussion of how much of our debt is interest on that debt is appropriate here, it is worthwhile to note, however, that whenever the debt goes up, so does the interest that must be paid to carry that debt. If spending beyond a balanced budget doubles, then the debt more than doubles because the interest gets compounded.
All that said I think this is worth taking the time to study. There is a caveat, though. The figures are Government fiscal year figures and the Government's fiscal year is from Sep through Aug. Because of this, there is some slight overlap between administrations, but not enough to alter the overall proportions.
The Conservative element in our country and our Government through the Republican party have railed against excessive Government spending, the national debt, and tax increases for those who can afford it the most and benefit the most from our system.
Here is a little information with no spin, instead, it is from the Department of the Treasury and the Government Accounting Office.
bush (R) himself admitted that during his Presidency the Government grew larger than during any previous Presidential administration. Additionally, the Government has grown substantially in size during every Republican administration starting with Reagan. Just like the Republican myth of "spendthrift Democrats" so goes the myth of the Republican "smaller Government".
Conservatives keep making up stories and their followers keep believing, blindly. Facts are just not needed.
But let's just try some real facts, just for the heck of it. Nixon (R) almost doubled the national debt, Reagan (R) almost tripled it, bush (R) more than doubled it. bush (R) took the debt from $5.8 trillion to $11.91 trillion (more than doubling it, something no Democrat Presidential administration has ever done either by percentage or by dollar amount). (Treasury and GAO figures.)
bush (R) holds the record of all the presidents' administrations for dollar amount increases in the Federal deficit and the National Debt. Reagan (R) holds the record of all Presidents' administrations for percentage increases.
Yes, your grandchildren will be paying for excesses of previous administrations.
For your edification here are the actual figures from the Department of the Treasury, and backed up by the GAO:
Here are the actual figures for changes in the National Debt since Eisenhower (R):
Eisenhower (R):
From $266.1Billion to $289.0B
An increase of $22.9B
An increase of 8.6%
Kennedy/Johnson (D):
$289.0B - $353.7B
+$69.7B
An increase of 22%
Nixon/Ford (R):
$353.7B - $698.8B
+$345.1B
An increase of +98% (practically double)
Carter (D):
$698.8B - $997.9B
+$299.1B
An increase of +43% (If we assume that if Carter had served two terms, his increase would likely be double that of one term, thus it would be 86%, still a smaller percentage increase than the Nixon/Ford administration.
Reagan (R):
$997.9B - $2,857.4B ($2.857 Trillion)
+$1,859.5B ($1.859 Trillion)
An increase of +286% (almost triple!)
G. H. W. Bush (R):
$2.8574Trillion - $4.4115T
+$1.5541T
An increase of +54% (This was in just four years! Eight years might well have doubled these figures to +$3.2T, over double.)
Clinton (D):
$4.4115T - $5.8075T
+$1.3960T
An increase of +32% (by percentage and by dollar amount, in eight years, less than G. H. W. Bush with only four years)
g. w. bush (R):
$5.8075T - $11.91T
+$6.1025T
an increase of +105% (over double...from less than six trillion dollars to almost twelve trillion dollars!!!)
Obama (D):
(figures from 9/30/09 - 8/14/11)
$11.91T - $14.61T
+$2.7T
An increase of +23% (While this seems a lot, much is the interest being paid on the last doubling of the debt.)
These are the actual National debt figures from the U.S. Treasury and the GAO.
It is very clear that the Republicans outspend the Democrats by a wide margin percentage-wise. By dollar amount, the Republicans have also outspent and outborrowed the Democrats: $4.464T for the Dems vs. $9.994T for the Reps since Eisenhower.
Yes the Republicans, the "fiscally responsible" ones, have outspent and outborrowed the Democrats by over a 2:1 margin since President Eisenhower. Even if you remove Eisenhower from the equation, it is still over 2:1.
Worse, the Republicans have deliberately decreased the Government's income by their tax cuts, while they continued to spend more. So much for the "tax and spend" Democrats. That is a myth perpetrated by Republicans who seem to have a need to misdirect you. And, no wonder.
By percentage increase and by dollar amount, the Republicans outdo the Democrats by a significant margin, a two to one margin. No Democrat had a larger percentage increase over any Republican except over Eisenhower. (Ike, by the way, was a true fiscal conservative.)
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OH how very nice more stats. Do you have the styats of who held congress during those presiential terms? Was it a Republican controlled congress or democrat? After all it is Congress who control's spending. So take your stats and bring back something else to argue with.
The veto power can go just so far it can be overturned by congressWell, those damn tax and spend bleeding heart liberals. I should have realized.
While I don't think a discussion on where some of our tax money goes, nor a discussion of how much of our debt is interest on that debt is appropriate here, it is worthwhile to note, however, that whenever the debt goes up, so does the interest that must be paid to carry that debt. If spending beyond a balanced budget doubles, then the debt more than doubles because the interest gets compounded.
All that said I think this is worth taking the time to study. There is a caveat, though. The figures are Government fiscal year figures and the Government's fiscal year is from Sep through Aug. Because of this, there is some slight overlap between administrations, but not enough to alter the overall proportions.
The Conservative element in our country and our Government through the Republican party have railed against excessive Government spending, the national debt, and tax increases for those who can afford it the most and benefit the most from our system.
Here is a little information with no spin, instead, it is from the Department of the Treasury and the Government Accounting Office.
bush (R) himself admitted that during his Presidency the Government grew larger than during any previous Presidential administration. Additionally, the Government has grown substantially in size during every Republican administration starting with Reagan. Just like the Republican myth of "spendthrift Democrats" so goes the myth of the Republican "smaller Government".
Conservatives keep making up stories and their followers keep believing, blindly. Facts are just not needed.
But let's just try some real facts, just for the heck of it. Nixon (R) almost doubled the national debt, Reagan (R) almost tripled it, bush (R) more than doubled it. bush (R) took the debt from $5.8 trillion to $11.91 trillion (more than doubling it, something no Democrat Presidential administration has ever done either by percentage or by dollar amount). (Treasury and GAO figures.)
bush (R) holds the record of all the presidents' administrations for dollar amount increases in the Federal deficit and the National Debt. Reagan (R) holds the record of all Presidents' administrations for percentage increases.
Yes, your grandchildren will be paying for excesses of previous administrations.
For your edification here are the actual figures from the Department of the Treasury, and backed up by the GAO:
Here are the actual figures for changes in the National Debt since Eisenhower (R):
Eisenhower (R):
From $266.1Billion to $289.0B
An increase of $22.9B
An increase of 8.6%
Kennedy/Johnson (D):
$289.0B - $353.7B
+$69.7B
An increase of 22%
Nixon/Ford (R):
$353.7B - $698.8B
+$345.1B
An increase of +98% (practically double)
Carter (D):
$698.8B - $997.9B
+$299.1B
An increase of +43% (If we assume that if Carter had served two terms, his increase would likely be double that of one term, thus it would be 86%, still a smaller percentage increase than the Nixon/Ford administration.
Reagan (R):
$997.9B - $2,857.4B ($2.857 Trillion)
+$1,859.5B ($1.859 Trillion)
An increase of +286% (almost triple!)
G. H. W. Bush (R):
$2.8574Trillion - $4.4115T
+$1.5541T
An increase of +54% (This was in just four years! Eight years might well have doubled these figures to +$3.2T, over double.)
Clinton (D):
$4.4115T - $5.8075T
+$1.3960T
An increase of +32% (by percentage and by dollar amount, in eight years, less than G. H. W. Bush with only four years)
g. w. bush (R):
$5.8075T - $11.91T
+$6.1025T
an increase of +105% (over double...from less than six trillion dollars to almost twelve trillion dollars!!!)
Obama (D):
(figures from 9/30/09 - 8/14/11)
$11.91T - $14.61T
+$2.7T
An increase of +23% (While this seems a lot, much is the interest being paid on the last doubling of the debt.)
These are the actual National debt figures from the U.S. Treasury and the GAO.
It is very clear that the Republicans outspend the Democrats by a wide margin percentage-wise. By dollar amount, the Republicans have also outspent and outborrowed the Democrats: $4.464T for the Dems vs. $9.994T for the Reps since Eisenhower.
Yes the Republicans, the "fiscally responsible" ones, have outspent and outborrowed the Democrats by over a 2:1 margin since President Eisenhower. Even if you remove Eisenhower from the equation, it is still over 2:1.
Worse, the Republicans have deliberately decreased the Government's income by their tax cuts, while they continued to spend more. So much for the "tax and spend" Democrats. That is a myth perpetrated by Republicans who seem to have a need to misdirect you. And, no wonder.
By percentage increase and by dollar amount, the Republicans outdo the Democrats by a significant margin, a two to one margin. No Democrat had a larger percentage increase over any Republican except over Eisenhower. (Ike, by the way, was a true fiscal conservative.)
-g
OH how very nice more stats. Do you have the styats of who held congress during those presiential terms? Was it a Republican controlled congress or democrat? After all it is Congress who control's spending. So take your stats and bring back something else to argue with.
President has veto power. If he didn't agree with a budget, he could veto. For the first six years of bush's Presidency, he had a Republican Congress.
-g