2018 is over...cars still kill more people than mass public shooters do, so we must ban cars.....

[Auld Phart]

Target shooting, home protection for the most part.

To kill anyone who may try to get into your home; right?

only as a last resort.

I'd prefer to just incapacitate them, and wait for the police.


you have a problem with self defense?

No. You’re using the gun for it’s intended purpose. I applaud you and hope you do whatever you need to do to protect your house and property. As I have said numerous times.

One thing we have that they do not is large swaths of rural lands. I think it would be almost criminal not to have a means of active self-defense and deterrence--yes I mean firearms--if you live in one of these areas.

and if I protected my home and family with a knife, or spear, you woudn't have a problem with it because they can be used for other things?

Remember, the 'original' purpose of a knife was NOT to cut bread

When your gun cuts bread…we can have that conversation.

Think this was made to cut bread?

 

[2aguy]

2018 is finally over, and for another year, just about everything else kills more people than mass public shooters do...but anti gunners still won't call to ban cars...swimming pools, or gravity....

We don't have the CDC reports on fatal injuries yet, or even 2017, so we will simply have to compare 2018 mass public shooting deaths to the 2016 totals.......

Deaths from mass public shootings in 2018....

77..... I didn't count the 3 victims from the Chicago Hospital shooting because that wasn't a "mass public shooting" but a domestic dispute.....there is a difference....

So... 77 people killed by mass public shooters in 2018......

Now, some context...

knife murders.....2009-2013.....More people are killed with knives than by mass public shooters.

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591

More people are killed accidentally in cars, than by mass public shooters....and ladders, and poison, and gravity, and lack of air, and drugs..........

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

More people are killed with empty hands, than by mass public shooters.....from the FBI for 2017....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

Cars serve multiple other purposes other than to maim or kill. I welcome any efforts you want to introcude to require the same licensing and registration for guns as are required for cars.

Guns save more innocent lives than criminals take with illegal guns....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives from rape, robbery and murder..... as more Americans have owned and carried guns over the last 25 years, our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, our violent crime rate has gone down 72%.....good things made good by armed good people....

 

[2aguy]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

 

[2aguy]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

I have a dozen guns, I've owned guns for over 50 years

Not once have they been used to kill.


Less than 1% of firearms in our country have been used to kill another human being.

Why do you have them?

Target shooting, home protection for the most part.

To kill anyone who may try to get into your home; right?

You don't have to kill with a gun if the criminal runs away or surrenders, which is how must defensive gun uses happen........ guns save lives, and rarely take them compared to the number of lives saved.

 

[2aguy]

2018 is finally over, and for another year, just about everything else kills more people than mass public shooters do...but anti gunners still won't call to ban cars...swimming pools, or gravity....

We don't have the CDC reports on fatal injuries yet, or even 2017, so we will simply have to compare 2018 mass public shooting deaths to the 2016 totals.......

Deaths from mass public shootings in 2018....

77..... I didn't count the 3 victims from the Chicago Hospital shooting because that wasn't a "mass public shooting" but a domestic dispute.....there is a difference....

So... 77 people killed by mass public shooters in 2018......

Now, some context...

knife murders.....2009-2013.....More people are killed with knives than by mass public shooters.

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591

More people are killed accidentally in cars, than by mass public shooters....and ladders, and poison, and gravity, and lack of air, and drugs..........

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

More people are killed with empty hands, than by mass public shooters.....from the FBI for 2017....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

How about we license, train, and insure gun owners like we do car owners.

Have mandatory yearly gun inspections, registration, etc… A breathalyzer to use them…. Good Ideas; all.

No...not really. Owning and carrying a gun is a Right, and any attempt to use government regulation will become government stopping people from exercising that Right. The democrat party in this country used Poll Taxes and Literacy Tests to stop Blacks and poor whites from voting.....so what you suggested is exactly what they did to prevent the exercise of a Right...the 14th Amendment, and also Murdock v Pennsylvania state you can't do that....

 

[2aguy]

To kill anyone who may try to get into your home; right?

only as a last resort.

I'd prefer to just incapacitate them, and wait for the police.


you have a problem with self defense?

No. You’re using the gun for it’s intended purpose. I applaud you and hope you do whatever you need to do to protect your house and property. As I have said numerous times.

One thing we have that they do not is large swaths of rural lands. I think it would be almost criminal not to have a means of active self-defense and deterrence--yes I mean firearms--if you live in one of these areas.

and if I protected my home and family with a knife, or spear, you woudn't have a problem with it because they can be used for other things?

Remember, the 'original' purpose of a knife was NOT to cut bread

When your gun cuts bread…we can have that conversation.

Think this was made to cut bread?

And they kill more people every single year than rifles do...far more than AR-15 rifles in particular...

 

[candycorn]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

 

[2aguy]

2018 is finally over, and for another year, just about everything else kills more people than mass public shooters do...but anti gunners still won't call to ban cars...swimming pools, or gravity....

We don't have the CDC reports on fatal injuries yet, or even 2017, so we will simply have to compare 2018 mass public shooting deaths to the 2016 totals.......

Deaths from mass public shootings in 2018....

77..... I didn't count the 3 victims from the Chicago Hospital shooting because that wasn't a "mass public shooting" but a domestic dispute.....there is a difference....

So... 77 people killed by mass public shooters in 2018......

Now, some context...

knife murders.....2009-2013.....More people are killed with knives than by mass public shooters.

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591

More people are killed accidentally in cars, than by mass public shooters....and ladders, and poison, and gravity, and lack of air, and drugs..........

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

More people are killed with empty hands, than by mass public shooters.....from the FBI for 2017....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

How about we license, train, and insure gun owners like we do car owners.

Can't. That would be unConstitutional...since owning and carrying a gun is a Right.....the 14th Amendment, the equal protection clause, as well as the Supreme Court decision in Murdock v Pennsylvania says so...

 

[2aguy]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[candycorn]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

 

[2aguy]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

 

[candycorn]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

 

[Auld Phart]

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

The majority of which are suicides

 

[elongobardi]

Cars have many purposes; guns one…kill

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

2aguy don’t waste your time Candy corn is an asshole and typical liberal asshole who knows nothing about guns. He just likes to start arguments. Just shows his ignorance. The news only prints the bad none of the good. The news won’t report a burglar being chased off by a gun owner. Why would it be news. The police take a report and that’s it. It would only be news if he shot the intruder. That’s how the news works. In all my years of law enforcement never ever did we call in to the news on a break in where the perp ran. We hunted down the bad guy and that’s it. You have no clue candyass. Typical liberal scum


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[2aguy]

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

The majority of which are suicides

And of the 10,982 gun murders out of those 30,000, 70-80% of the victims are criminals murdered by other career crminals.....and in chicago that number is up in the 90% range. And of those left? The majority are friends and family of the criminals.......and the majority of these shootings happen in cities controlled by the democrat party.

 

[2aguy]

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

Someone points a gun at me and demands money, or points a knife at a woman and intends to rape her.....I produce a gun, and the robber runs away, the woman produces a gun and the rapist runs away....no shots are fired.........how is that not a defensive gun use? Please explain.

 

[candycorn]

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

The majority of which are suicides

Imagine how many would survive if they only had less lethal means available to them….

 

[Auld Phart]

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

The majority of which are suicides

Imagine how many would survive if they only had less lethal means available to them….

imagine how many would die if they didn't have lethal means to protect themselves.

 

[candycorn]

And yet. according to the CDC, there are 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, and that was before we had 17.25 million people who can carry guns......and according to the FBI there were only around 235 really stupid criminals who pushed their violent attacks to the point they had to be killed.....

So....1,100,000 defensive gun uses vs 235 thugs killed....that shows that guns save lives without taking lives far more...and so their real purpose in this country is to save lives, not kill....

1.1 Million translates into 3,000 a day. It’s about noon here. That means there have been 1,500 uses according to you.

So far that means that 1,500 people today have used a gun to defend themselves. Please, of the 1,500 that have taken place so far today, please link to 150 (10%) of the stories that were sure to have been reported. I doubt you could find 30 (2%). I am doubtful you could find 15 actually….but I’ll settle for 30.

You can prove your statistic; can’t you?

Ladies and gentlemen, please prepare yourself for a wall of hooey.

As actual research shows, most cases of self defense with a gun never end up with the weapon being fired, the criminal runs away.....those don't make news stories......and even the ones that do, rarely make it to the national level.

Here....the actual research into self defense with guns....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice..if you don't like their numbers, complain to them...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

2aguy don’t waste your time Candy corn is an asshole and typical liberal asshole who knows nothing about guns. He just likes to start arguments. Just shows his ignorance. The news only prints the bad none of the good. The news won’t report a burglar being chased off by a gun owner. Why would it be news. The police take a report and that’s it. It would only be news if he shot the intruder. That’s how the news works. In all my years of law enforcement never ever did we call in to the news on a break in where the perp ran. We hunted down the bad guy and that’s it. You have no clue candyass. Typical liberal scum


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Ahh so now we’ve gone from defensive gun uses to

The gun doesn’t have to be used

to even if the gun didn’t have to be used, we’ll blame the media (again, you girls are just professional victims) if it doesn’t get covered.

Soon the criteria would be a guns and ammo magazine on the coffee table as a means of a defensive gun use!

 

[candycorn]

So are you going to show us the 15, 30, 150 links to these defensive uses? I mean, there are shoot-outs happening 3,000 times a day…right? Oh wait, you’re full of shit.

Not shoot outs.....Law abiding people who show or even draw their guns and the criminals run away instead of raping, beating, robbing or murdering the gun owner......

You really don't understand this topic...yet you continue to post about it....

So a usage isn’t a gun being used. Zero logic.
Meanwhile we still have 30,000 gun deaths per year.

The majority of which are suicides

Imagine how many would survive if they only had less lethal means available to them….

imagine how many would die if they didn't have lethal means to protect themselves.

Ive never owned a gun. Neither did my parents; none of my siblings do. Somehow we’ve all managed to live well passed middle age without having one in the house. Perhaps our situation is different but I really doubt it.