2012 NBA Playoffs

[High_Gravity]

Jesus Fuckin Christ, it figures you are a Lakers fan.

When I first started following the Lakers, their stars were Jerry and Elgin. They had a white center named Darryl Imhoff, for whom they traded for my favorite player of all-time...............Wilt Chamberlain!

I've been following the Lakers since before they played at the Forum.

That makes me think of a few questions.

Who are the greatest white centers? Vladi Divac? Memo Okur? The guy who played with LeBron in Cleveland? Ron Siikaly?

Greatest white players in general would be Jerry West and Larry Bird? How about Nash and Jason Kidd?

How good would the best all white team of all time do against the Heat for example? And who's on this team? Jerry West, Larry Bird, Jason Kidd, Dirk? Or would you put John Stockton, Nash, Chris Mullin, Havlicek, Mark Price, Rik Smits, Hornacek on the team?

Jason Kidds father is Black. Kevin Love is probably on his way to being a hall of famer if he keeps up his current level of play.

 

[High_Gravity]

Well the Celtics won on Friday night and yesterday, I am happy and cannot ask for more than that. I am really happy Ray Allen is back, he is one of my favorite players and I thought we had seen the last of him in a Celtics uniform, well he is back and he is playing good. Paul Pierce was amazing last night, I hope his injuries are not too severe when he banged his knee, so many players are falling left and right to injuries. Hopefully Boston can finish off Atlanta tomorrow, Philly has Chicago in a choke hold, we are looking at a Boston/Philly second round series hopefully.

 

[High_Gravity]

The Lakers are going to have a hard time matching up against OKC's athleticism. But they should be able to compete like the Mavs did. The winner of that match-up better hope that the Grizzlies beat the Spurs (Clippers won't) b/c neither of them can match-up with them very well at all.

The Celtics and the Heat should have a classic confrontation in the ECF. Again, I wouldn't pick either team if they're playing the Spurs.

I didn't foresee such a struggle with Memphis and the Clippers, if LA wins the next game the Grizzlies will be in some serious shit.

 

[Article 15]

Well the Celtics won on Friday night and yesterday, I am happy and cannot ask for more than that. I am really happy Ray Allen is back, he is one of my favorite players and I thought we had seen the last of him in a Celtics uniform, well he is back and he is playing good. Paul Pierce was amazing last night, I hope his injuries are not too severe when he banged his knee, so many players are falling left and right to injuries. Hopefully Boston can finish off Atlanta tomorrow, Philly has Chicago in a choke hold, we are looking at a Boston/Philly second round series hopefully.

Aye.

Finishing them off in game five is paramount, IMO.

 

[High_Gravity]

Well the Celtics won on Friday night and yesterday, I am happy and cannot ask for more than that. I am really happy Ray Allen is back, he is one of my favorite players and I thought we had seen the last of him in a Celtics uniform, well he is back and he is playing good. Paul Pierce was amazing last night, I hope his injuries are not too severe when he banged his knee, so many players are falling left and right to injuries. Hopefully Boston can finish off Atlanta tomorrow, Philly has Chicago in a choke hold, we are looking at a Boston/Philly second round series hopefully.

Aye.

Finishing them off in game five is paramount, IMO.

Yup before Horford gets back in the swing of things, they got to deliver the knock out blow tomorrow night. Ray Allen is playing the best I have ever seen with a player with bone spurs imo, he could have easily elected to take the surgery and prepare for a new team next year, I'm glad he stuck with us.

 

[Billo_Really]

I didn't know the 86 Celtics were considered one of the greatest teams of all time? Is that the year the Pistons would have beat them except for that bad inbound pass that bird quickly threw to that guy with the pitted face. A point guard. And he put it in for a layup? You know, one of the greatest plays of all time? All the Pistons had to do was inbound that damn pass and they would have went to the finals. That will go down in history, especially Bird highlights. Kills me being a Pistons fan. I'm sure you remember it better than I do. Damn you.

'87 Lakers were the best team in NBA history. They started 39-3 and never looked back. '86 Celtics were good, but not that good. I'd put the '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers and the '77 Trailblazers ahead of them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Who are the greatest white centers? Vladi Divac? Memo Okur? The guy who played with LeBron in Cleveland? Ron Siikaly?

Let me see...

• Dave Cowens
• Bill Laimbeer
• Jack Sikma
• Bill Walton
• Tom Boerwinkle
• Mark Eaton
• Neil Walk

Greatest white players in general would be Jerry West and Larry Bird? How about Nash and Jason Kidd?

Greatest white guys?

• Jerry West
• Larry Bird
• Jerry Lucas
• Pete Marovich
• Bob Pettit
• John Havlichek
• Rick Barry
• Jerry Sloan

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I didn't know the 86 Celtics were considered one of the greatest teams of all time? Is that the year the Pistons would have beat them except for that bad inbound pass that bird quickly threw to that guy with the pitted face. A point guard. And he put it in for a layup? You know, one of the greatest plays of all time? All the Pistons had to do was inbound that damn pass and they would have went to the finals. That will go down in history, especially Bird highlights. Kills me being a Pistons fan. I'm sure you remember it better than I do. Damn you.

'87 Lakers were the best team in NBA history. They started 39-3 and never looked back. '86 Celtics were good, but not that good. I'd put the '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers and the '77 Trailblazers ahead of them.

The 86 Lakers were destroyed by the Twin Towers 4-1. And you go back and watch games and read articles and they talk about mid season how nobody was going to beat the Celtics that year. And frankly if it wasn't for a muffed out of bounds play at the end of Game 3, the Celtics would have swept the Rockets in The Finals that year. As it was, they beat them by like 30 in Game 6 to finish them off.

What makes the 87 Lakers that much more special than 86? Magic elevated his game that year. But Kareem had declined that much more. They added Green and Thompson. But on the whole, I don't think those moves made them that much more special. Those moves were pretty much for the sake of matching up with the Celtics. I don't mind Magic thinking that team was the best, but I see no way it's really true.

The 87 C's lost Jerry Sichting from the prior year. Kevin McHale was on a broken ankle. Robert Parish was on two very bad ankles. Bill Walton was out injured. Scott Wedman was out injured. And despite that they were a bad call away from tying the 87 Finals at 2-2. Sorry but the 87 Lakers don't hold a candle to the 86 C's.

And it's scary to think how good the already greatest team of all-time could've been if Len Bias would've lived.

All of that said, none of those other teams you mentioned hold a candle to the 86 C's either. They were the deadly on both sides of the ball.

 

[High_Gravity]

The Spurs swept the Jazz last night but wow I did not expect to see the Clippers up 3-1 on the Grizzlies, I thought this series was going the other way I did not think the Clippers would be able to match up with the Grizzlies, Chris Paul is a hell of a warrior.

 

[Billo_Really]

The 86 Lakers were destroyed by the Twin Towers 4-1. .

I wouldn't call a last second tip-in by Ralph Sampson "destruction".

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The 86 Lakers were destroyed by the Twin Towers 4-1. .

I wouldn't call a last second tip-in by Ralph Sampson "destruction".

With Olajuwon ejected, the Rockets still made that comeback at the LA Forum.

 

[Billo_Really]

With Olajuwon ejected, the Rockets still made that comeback at the LA Forum.

During the 80s, the Lakers went to the Finals 9 times, in 10 years. How many times were the Celtics in the Finals during those years? 3? 4?

One more Laker title and we're tied. Two more and we're the dominant team in NBA history.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

With Olajuwon ejected, the Rockets still made that comeback at the LA Forum.

During the 80s, the Lakers went to the Finals 9 times, in 10 years. How many times were the Celtics in the Finals during those years? 3? 4?

One more Laker title and we're tied. Two more and we're the dominant team in NBA history.

8 times to the C's 5. And the Lakers were in a weaker conference and they didn't suffer the injuries that the Celtics did. The three of four dynasty quality teams of the 80's were in the East.

And you want to talk dominant in terms of simple minded numbers? What's the Lakers record vs. the Celtics in the Finals?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Celts f'd around and it cost them a close out against the Hawks. Lakers looked bad against an anemic Nuggets team. They'll get swept by OKC if they're gonna play like that.

 

[Billo_Really]

Celts f'd around and it cost them a close out against the Hawks. Lakers looked bad against an anemic Nuggets team. They'll get swept by OKC if they're gonna play like that.

One more game and we get our thug back.

 

[Billo_Really]

And you want to talk dominant in terms of simple minded numbers? What's the Lakers record vs. the Celtics in the Finals?

Well, since the first Laker victory over the Celtics in the Finals didn't occur until 1985, their record ain't that good. We lost 9 in a row during the 60's to that fuckin' Russell dude and his Don Nelson bounce.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Celts f'd around and it cost them a close out against the Hawks. Lakers looked bad against an anemic Nuggets team. They'll get swept by OKC if they're gonna play like that.

One more game and we get our thug back.

I'll admit that Barnes sucks. But Artest isn't that much of an upgrade. Gasol/Bynum - One of them has to play like a beast in any game for the Lakers to win.

 

[High_Gravity]

Celts f'd around and it cost them a close out against the Hawks. Lakers looked bad against an anemic Nuggets team. They'll get swept by OKC if they're gonna play like that.

I stopped watching the Celtics game at the end of the second quarter when the Hawks took the lead, I knew Atlanta was going to win. Al Horford is back and playing well and thats not a good thing for the Celtics we don't have any bigs to match up with him, Atlanta is going win the next game and more than likely take the series in 7.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Celts f'd around and it cost them a close out against the Hawks. Lakers looked bad against an anemic Nuggets team. They'll get swept by OKC if they're gonna play like that.

I stopped watching the Celtics game at the end of the second quarter when the Hawks took the lead, I knew Atlanta was going to win. Al Horford is back and playing well and thats not a good thing for the Celtics we don't have any bigs to match up with him, Atlanta is going win the next game and more than likely take the series in 7.

The C's have a much better inside presence. Al Horford is nothing to be scared about.

They missed easy shots all night. Pierce was being a drama queen - sitting on the bench pretending he was injured. Doc just accepted it b/c he figured if he could get rest and rub Paul's ego then it'd be better.

They were up by about 7 in the 4th. Atlanta didn't do anything spectacular. The Celts just took them for granted. Even on the last play when Rondo stole the ball, he dribbled all cute instead of putting his head down and driving it coast to coast.

The Celts will go home and crush the Hawks. But if for some reason they don't then Game 7 is anybody's game.

 

[Billo_Really]

The C's have a much better inside presence. Al Horford is nothing to be scared about.

They missed easy shots all night. Pierce was being a drama queen - sitting on the bench pretending he was injured. Doc just accepted it b/c he figured if he could get rest and rub Paul's ego then it'd be better.

They were up by about 7 in the 4th. Atlanta didn't do anything spectacular. The Celts just took them for granted. Even on the last play when Rondo stole the ball, he dribbled all cute instead of putting his head down and driving it coast to coast.

The Celts will go home and crush the Hawks. But if for some reason they don't then Game 7 is anybody's game.

Boston will have a harder time with Miami than the Lakers will have with OKC.

Their season is moot anyway. After they get knocked out of the playoffs, Ainge is going to blow up the team.