2 students stabbed...in community college gun free...killing zone...

[2aguy]

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

 

[Brain357]

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

 

[ChrisL]

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

 

[2aguy]

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

 

[Brain357]

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

 

[2aguy]

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Well....brain.....you are quoting a survey with your 108,000 number....which you swear is the right number.......of course it isn't even close....that is what all the other 18-19 studies say......

 

[Brain357]

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

 

[2aguy]

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

 

[Brain357]

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

 

[ChrisL]

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

 

[2aguy]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

Sorry brain...you don't enforce Rights on who abuses them......your ability to drive a car is not based on drunk drivers using cars...and driving is not a constitutionally guaranteed right.....


obama spent 10 million dollars on that research..............

 

[ChrisL]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

 

[2aguy]

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

Did you see the paper that talked about that....the researchers were anti gunners...the ones who did the study for the Police Foundation...when their actual numbers came back as high as Kleck's....they spent the length of their paper explaining why their numbers were wrong.......the morons...I'll try to find it...it was funny reading.....

 

[hortysir]

This is why Florida is getting ready to pass Campus Carry

 

[2aguy]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

Did you see the paper that talked about that....the researchers were anti gunners...the ones who did the study for the Police Foundation...when their actual numbers came back as high as Kleck's....they spent the length of their paper explaining why their numbers were wrong.......the morons...I'll try to find it...it was funny reading.....

ChrisL....I don't know if you have seen this paper.....it looks at attempts by anti gunners in the medical profession to lie about guns in their research....it breaks it down in detail...that is why you can never, ever trust gun grabbers.....

GUNS AND PUBLIC HEALTH EPIDEMIC OF VIOLENCE OR PANDEMIC OF PROPAGANDA

 

[ChrisL]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

Did you see the paper that talked about that....the researchers were anti gunners...the ones who did the study for the Police Foundation...when their actual numbers came back as high as Kleck's....they spent the length of their paper explaining why their numbers were wrong.......the morons...I'll try to find it...it was funny reading.....

Obama's own 10,000,000 dollar study backfired, that's what is really funny in all of this. Lol. Here is what the Obama study determined.

Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate thatdefensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

Why No One Has Heard ThisGiven the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it. President Obama, Michael Bloomberg and the Brady Campaign remain silent. Most suspicious of all, the various media outlets that so eagerly anticipated the CDC research are looking the other way as well. One must wonder how media coverage of the CDC report may have differed, had the research more closely fit an anti-gun narrative.

Even worse, the few mainstream journalists who did report the CDC’s findings chose to cherry-pick from the data. Most, like NBC News, reported exclusively on the finding that gun suicides are up. Largely lost in that discussion is the fact that the overall rate of suicide—regardless of whether a gun is involved or not—is also up.

Others seized upon the CDC’s finding that, “The U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.” However, as noted by the Las Vegas Guardian Express, if figures are excluded from such anti-gun bastions as Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., “The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.”



Read more: CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns Ammo

 

[Brain357]

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

 

[Brain357]

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

Sorry brain...you don't enforce Rights on who abuses them......your ability to drive a car is not based on drunk drivers using cars...and driving is not a constitutionally guaranteed right.....


obama spent 10 million dollars on that research..............

The business owner has a right to say no guns. Nobody has to work there. The college has the right to say no guns. Nobody is forced to go to college there. You can't have government force guns on them.

 

[Brain357]

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

 

[Brain357]

This is why Florida is getting ready to pass Campus Carry

So big government is going to force schools to allow guns?