2 students stabbed...in community college gun free...killing zone...

[ChrisL]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

Actually, that is a wrong number....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a gun study....and doesn't claim to be one.....using it as you do is a dumb move......why?

Using the NCVS to say anything about defensive use of guns is like using a study of how many people attend professional sporting events......and throwing in a question about eating at the stadium...

Do you attend professional sporting events? If yes.....

And then down the line you throw out....did you eat at the stadium.....?

IF yes...what did you eat or drink.....

And then using that as a definitive study on American Consumption of soft drinks........it doesn't even come close to being accurate.....

that is why the NCVS is a crap study for gun research...it is a study about crimes...not gun defense......

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

 

[Brain357]

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

 

[ChrisL]

That is from stats where the crime was completed...see....a victim with a gun stops the completion of the crime........that is why people carry guns.......1.6 million crimes are stopped each year....take away the gun...and that 1.6 million is now victims, not winners.....

You mean about 108,000. The rate wouldn't change unless you are suggesting gun owners would attract more murders than people who don't have guns.

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Obama's 10 million dollar study. Here are the results.


Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate thatdefensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

Why No One Has Heard ThisGiven the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it. President Obama, Michael Bloomberg and the Brady Campaign remain silent. Most suspicious of all, the various media outlets that so eagerly anticipated the CDC research are looking the other way as well. One must wonder how media coverage of the CDC report may have differed, had the research more closely fit an anti-gun narrative.

Even worse, the few mainstream journalists who did report the CDC’s findings chose to cherry-pick from the data. Most, like NBC News, reported exclusively on the finding that gun suicides are up. Largely lost in that discussion is the fact that the overall rate of suicide—regardless of whether a gun is involved or not—is also up.

Others seized upon the CDC’s finding that, “The U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.” However, as noted by the Las Vegas Guardian Express, if figures are excluded from such anti-gun bastions as Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., “The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.”



Read more: CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns Ammo[/QUOTE]

 

[Brain357]

And yet it is by far the most accurate. Your gun surveys are filled with false positives.

And your surveys are all over 20 years old. Crime has come down like 30% since then. You need to at least adjust the imaginary numbers by that amount.

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

 

[ChrisL]

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

And, as every sane person knows, if not for the self defense use of the firearm, many more people would be dead. Just because you want to keep up your dishonesty, doesn't mean anyone is falling for it. You are not NEARLY as clever as you seem to think you are. Work on that because so far, you are a big fat FAIL.

 

[ChrisL]

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

You haven't quoted any statistics. You are just making your own assumptions based on nothing. BIG difference.

 

[Brain357]

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

And, as every sane person knows, if not for the self defense use of the firearm, many more people would be dead. Just because you want to keep up your dishonesty, doesn't mean anyone is falling for it. You are not NEARLY as clever as you seem to think you are. Work on that because so far, you are a big fat FAIL.

Oh you have an actual statistic for that?

 

[ChrisL]

Brain....it isn't a gun study....it doesn't claim to be a gun study...it has no accurate way to account for it's gun numbers....it is like saying that a study on motorcycles that asks one question about bathroom use at the motorcycle dealership represents the entirety of the bathroom using American public..........

And yes...crime is down.....and that coincides with more and more Americans owning and carrying guns....over 11.1 million people now carry guns....a lot more than when Dr. Kleck did his study...or the other ones for that matter....all 18 of them..........and obama's numbers were done in 2013.....and he agreed, 500,000 to 3 million uses a year......complain to him.....

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

Here's the 10 million dollar study again for you to read since you keep trying to ignore it. I'm not going to allow that to happen. You WILL read it and acknowledge that it proves every claim you have ever made WRONG.

Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate thatdefensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective”in reducing crime:“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

Why No One Has Heard ThisGiven the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it. President Obama, Michael Bloomberg and the Brady Campaign remain silent. Most suspicious of all, the various media outlets that so eagerly anticipated the CDC research are looking the other way as well. One must wonder how media coverage of the CDC report may have differed, had the research more closely fit an anti-gun narrative.

Even worse, the few mainstream journalists who did report the CDC’s findings chose to cherry-pick from the data. Most, like NBC News, reported exclusively on the finding that gun suicides are up. Largely lost in that discussion is the fact that the overall rate of suicide—regardless of whether a gun is involved or not—is also up.

Others seized upon the CDC’s finding that, “The U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.” However, as noted by the Las Vegas Guardian Express, if figures are excluded from such anti-gun bastions as Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., “The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.”



Read more: CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns Ammo

 

[Brain357]

I don't think there was any new survey in 2013, just looking at old info. 500,000 to 3 million is pretty inaccurate. And if the 500k is right you are off by 1.1 million.

I think the bottom line is this. 600 people killed in accidental shootings. Only about 232 criminals killed in defense each year. If you get rid of all gun free zones(schools, colleges, corporations...) you would get 3X as many accidental deaths as you would criminal deaths. That isn't a good ratio.

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

You haven't quoted any statistics. You are just making your own assumptions based on nothing. BIG difference.

You just quoted where a used statistics. You can't be this dumb.

 

[2aguy]

Now you've been shown the stats over and over again. I thought you said stats don't lie? Just one reason of many why posters like you are not and cannot ever be taken seriously. You are so full of poop, I can smell you from here. Lol.

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

There are over 320 million guns in circulation and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths a year.....that is a great record for gun safety and it is getting better each year....as more and more people buy and own and carry guns for self defense......imagine if all the grade schools taught gun safety classes.......that would save lives....but the anti gunners won't let that happen....dead kids are too useful a tool for banning guns.....

 

[ChrisL]

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

And, as every sane person knows, if not for the self defense use of the firearm, many more people would be dead. Just because you want to keep up your dishonesty, doesn't mean anyone is falling for it. You are not NEARLY as clever as you seem to think you are. Work on that because so far, you are a big fat FAIL.

Oh you have an actual statistic for that?

Your failure rate must be 100% by now.

 

[ChrisL]

You are truly an idiot.

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

You haven't quoted any statistics. You are just making your own assumptions based on nothing. BIG difference.

You just quoted where a used statistics. You can't be this dumb.

No, you are making assumptions based upon the actual statistics. You have quoted NO statistics. You are just a dishonest piece of shit.

 

[ChrisL]

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

There are over 320 million guns in circulation and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths a year.....that is a great record for gun safety and it is getting better each year....as more and more people buy and own and carry guns for self defense......imagine if all the grade schools taught gun safety classes.......that would save lives....but the anti gunners won't let that happen....dead kids are too useful a tool for banning guns.....

Okay, 2aguy, I am going to leave it in your capable hands. I hate this guy. I hate people who want to mess around with one of our rights, so it's all you before I start getting REALLY nasty with this . . . thing.

 

[Brain357]

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

And, as every sane person knows, if not for the self defense use of the firearm, many more people would be dead. Just because you want to keep up your dishonesty, doesn't mean anyone is falling for it. You are not NEARLY as clever as you seem to think you are. Work on that because so far, you are a big fat FAIL.

Oh you have an actual statistic for that?

Your failure rate must be 100% by now.

You don't, your just dishonest.

 

[2aguy]

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

So....background checks are useless...dittos gun registration...dittos magazine limits.......

 

[Brain357]

Ah name calling. Very childish.

It true, sorry. When it comes to gun arguments, you are a complete and utter moron. You are proven wrong time and time again but keep coming back with stupid dishonest claims. Everyone can see it. I don't know who you think you're fooling but it isn't us. We are MUCH too intelligent to fall for your nonsensical drivel and dishonesty.

Nothing dishonest about statistics.

You haven't quoted any statistics. You are just making your own assumptions based on nothing. BIG difference.

You just quoted where a used statistics. You can't be this dumb.

No, you are making assumptions based upon the actual statistics. You have quoted NO statistics. You are just a dishonest piece of shit.

No the accidental death rates is a real statistic. The number of criminals shot in defense is an actual statistic. It seems you don't even know what a statistic is.

 

[ChrisL]

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

There are over 320 million guns in circulation and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths a year.....that is a great record for gun safety and it is getting better each year....as more and more people buy and own and carry guns for self defense......imagine if all the grade schools taught gun safety classes.......that would save lives....but the anti gunners won't let that happen....dead kids are too useful a tool for banning guns.....

Exactly. They don't care about lives at all. That much is quite obvious. They are anti-rights scumbags. Grrrr. I really despise these kinds of people.

 

[Brain357]

Are you talking about stats or surveys? Surveys can be very inaccurate. You seem to be the one in denial of statistics.

Stats are extrapolated from surveys, pinkie. Lol.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.

No statistics actually happened and are confirmed. Your surveys don't have a single verified defense. That doesn't mean they don't happen, but surveys are loaded with false positives. For instance the survey might want to know if you used a gun in defense in the last year. Well just about anyone who has ever had a defense is going to tell it like it happened in the last year.

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

There are over 320 million guns in circulation and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths a year.....that is a great record for gun safety and it is getting better each year....as more and more people buy and own and carry guns for self defense......imagine if all the grade schools taught gun safety classes.......that would save lives....but the anti gunners won't let that happen....dead kids are too useful a tool for banning guns.....

Gun ownership is actually down.

 

[ChrisL]

Yes, they have. All of my posts have contained surveys AND statistics which negate all of your claims. Sorry that you are always wrong and look completely foolish every time you try to argue about gun rights. Lol.

No they haven't actually. There are still 600 accidental gun deaths to only 232 criminals shot and killed in defense. That is a 3-1 ratio. More innocent people are killed than criminals. What is your answer to that again?

And, as every sane person knows, if not for the self defense use of the firearm, many more people would be dead. Just because you want to keep up your dishonesty, doesn't mean anyone is falling for it. You are not NEARLY as clever as you seem to think you are. Work on that because so far, you are a big fat FAIL.

Oh you have an actual statistic for that?

Your failure rate must be 100% by now.

You don't, your just dishonest.

I don't what? How about, you shut up, loser?