2 gunmen w AR15s open fire in Houston; 2 citizens down; 4 cops; PD helicopter shot

[Papageorgio]

The guy was suffering from PTSD, his family said he had changed after two tours of duty in Afghanistan.

EXCLUSIVE: Suspected west Houston shooter's family shocked by behavior

 

[Brain357]

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

 

[Brain357]

Yes it is which is why you trying to limit the right of people to defend themselves is so disgusting...

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

Semantics aside, if it makes no difference one way or the other, why should my ability to own semiautomatic weapons and high capacity magazines be hindered because a bunch of hood rats want to kill each other when it's proven that the amount of bullets in their guns makes no diffrence on who or how many people they shoot ?

Facts, the truth and reality....mean nothing to brain and the other gun grabbers...they hate guns....they fear people...and no matter how much you explain the truth, facts and reality to them.....they don't care......they are gun phobic...and nothing will change that.

I probably own more guns than you moron.

 

[Brain357]

Sorry but the right to life is an important one.

Yes it is which is why you trying to limit the right of people to defend themselves is so disgusting...

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

Semantics aside, if it makes no difference one way or the other, why should my ability to own semiautomatic weapons and high capacity magazines be hindered because a bunch of hood rats want to kill each other when it's proven that the amount of bullets in their guns makes no diffrence on who or how many people they shoot ?

Hasn't been proven. The guy in the OP shot 212 times and injured police officers. Swat had to take him out. Can't do that with a derringer.

 

[Crixus]

Sorry but the right to life is an important one.

Yes it is which is why you trying to limit the right of people to defend themselves is so disgusting...

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

My Ma is in this catagory. A tactical reload is impossible for her, but with 15 rounds on tap it's a moot point. No reason for her to have limits put on her that thugs don't have on them.

 

[Brain357]

Yes it is which is why you trying to limit the right of people to defend themselves is so disgusting...

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

My Ma is in this catagory. A tactical reload is impossible for her, but with 15 rounds on tap it's a moot point. No reason for her to have limits put on her that thugs don't have on them.

Most defenses don't involve shooting. Don't be so scared.

 

[Crixus]

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

My Ma is in this catagory. A tactical reload is impossible for her, but with 15 rounds on tap it's a moot point. No reason for her to have limits put on her that thugs don't have on them.

Most defenses don't involve shooting. Don't be so scared.

But some do. And when that happens IF that happens I want to be able to overwhelm the thug with a wall of led. Same for my Ma.

 

[Divine Wind]

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

 

[Brain357]

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

Nope. Just shoot targets and clay pigeons.

 

[Crixus]

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

I own a pile of guns myself. I do plan on comitting

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

Nope. Just shoot targets and clay pigeons.

Like me some trap shooting to.

 

[beagle9]

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

. You know what can be done in the situations you describe here don't you ? Get tough on crime finally libs, and quit coddling these gangs and/or criminals instead of making them pay for their crimes. For the mentally ill, well reinstate mental asylum's or state hospitals for those who are truly ill, and are prone to violence because of being mentally ill. No one has the guts to do the right thing anymore, so an inanimate object that can't talk back is set to take the blame. Libs are pathetic. Sorry, but if libs have always been this way, then that is a shame.

 

[Divine Wind]

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

I own a pile of guns myself. I do plan on comitting

I probably own more guns than you moron.

Doubtful since all anti-gunners know guns are only made for killing. Do you plan on committing mass murder?

Nope. Just shoot targets and clay pigeons.

Like me some trap shooting to.

Hogs and target shooting here

 

[2aguy]

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

Wrong.....normal pistols and their magazines are used all he time.....you gun grabbers are lying because you know that you can fool enough people about magazine capacity to get a lot of pistols and rifles banned simply by banning their magazines.....

 

[2aguy]

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

Semantics aside, if it makes no difference one way or the other, why should my ability to own semiautomatic weapons and high capacity magazines be hindered because a bunch of hood rats want to kill each other when it's proven that the amount of bullets in their guns makes no diffrence on who or how many people they shoot ?

Facts, the truth and reality....mean nothing to brain and the other gun grabbers...they hate guns....they fear people...and no matter how much you explain the truth, facts and reality to them.....they don't care......they are gun phobic...and nothing will change that.

nope. but on a brighter note, most anti gun types can be converted pretty easily when you can get them out shooting with ya. it's mostly a fear of the unknown type thing.

That...or they get raped or brutalized by a criminal....that wakes the smart leftards up.....I have posted about this phenomena.....

 

[2aguy]

You have spent all this time explaining how mag cap doesn't matter. Now it is limiting the right to defend oneself? Make up your mind. So now it does matter?

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

My Ma is in this catagory. A tactical reload is impossible for her, but with 15 rounds on tap it's a moot point. No reason for her to have limits put on her that thugs don't have on them.

Most defenses don't involve shooting. Don't be so scared.

**** you asswipe.......you don't know what you will need when you are facing a criminal...you are a moron.

 

[Divine Wind]

Most defenses don't involve shooting. Don't be so scared.

You forgot the standard Liberal phrase "Trust your government, we're here to help".

Heck, not even all liberals trust our government.

 

[2aguy]

No....moron.....magazine capacity does not matter in mass shootings.....for self defense the individual on their own will never know how much ammunition they will need......

You are wrong....you are just interested in getting certain categories of pistol and rifles banned without having to call it a ban on those weapons...you will simply ban their magazines...which bans the pistol or rifle....

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

Oh...there are more than one example...here...let Massad Ayoob....expert firearm instructor and professional firearm witness who has testified and assisted in self defense cases around the country....what does he say.......?

Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Even severe wounds may not seriously disable a committed combatant. I have had the privilege of meeting many hero cops who have survived hellacious gunfight injuries and gone on to prevail. One is Stacy Lim of the LAPD. She was shot in the heart with a .357 Mag revolver at the opening of her encounter. She returned fire with her Beretta 9mm, killing her antagonist with four solid hits out of the four she fired. She recovered to return to full duty, and today is one of the nation’s most respected police firearms instructors. Another is Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida. He was shot in the face at point-blank range by a gunman armed with a .45 ACP who then fired six more bullets into Reston when he fell. Jared returned fire from the ground with his Glock .40. He killed the assailant and recovered to return to patrol and SWAT duty.

These were the good guys and gals. But the bad guys can be just as resilient, and we would all do well to remember that it took Stacy four dead-on hits to drop her opponent, and Jared had to shoot his would-be murderer seven times before the guy stopped trying to kill him.

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It happens to armed citizens, too. I’ve lost count of the shootings I’ve reviewed over the years where the good guys ran out of ammunition. Rich Davis fired all of the six shots he had and hit all three of the armed robbers he faced while delivering pizzas, but one of them was still up and running and able to shoot and wound him twice. That night in the emergency room, it occurred to him that there had to be something better than one’s own body to stop bullets with, and he was inspired to invent the soft body armor that has since saved thousands of lives.

I spoke at two trials, one criminal and one civil, for an attorney who had to shoot a man who pulled a gun on him in his law office. His nine-shot 9mm was at slide-lock, having delivered nine solid hits, before his opponent slumped and died. He survived both the gunfight and the trials, but it had been terribly close because he had no more ammunition at all when the gun duel ended.

There are other reasons to carry spare ammunition. With a semi-automatic pistol, as many firearms instructors will tell you, a cardinal cause of malfunctions is a magazine problem. Often, this can only be rectified by ripping the bad magazine out of the gun and replacing it with a fresh one. This naturally requires a fresh magazine to be right there on your person.



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction

 

[Crixus]

So mass shooters can just reload, but not defenders. You are too funny today.

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

Oh...there are more than one example...here...let Massad Ayoob....expert firearm instructor and professional firearm witness who has testified and assisted in self defense cases around the country....what does he say.......?

Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Even severe wounds may not seriously disable a committed combatant. I have had the privilege of meeting many hero cops who have survived hellacious gunfight injuries and gone on to prevail. One is Stacy Lim of the LAPD. She was shot in the heart with a .357 Mag revolver at the opening of her encounter. She returned fire with her Beretta 9mm, killing her antagonist with four solid hits out of the four she fired. She recovered to return to full duty, and today is one of the nation’s most respected police firearms instructors. Another is Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida. He was shot in the face at point-blank range by a gunman armed with a .45 ACP who then fired six more bullets into Reston when he fell. Jared returned fire from the ground with his Glock .40. He killed the assailant and recovered to return to patrol and SWAT duty.

These were the good guys and gals. But the bad guys can be just as resilient, and we would all do well to remember that it took Stacy four dead-on hits to drop her opponent, and Jared had to shoot his would-be murderer seven times before the guy stopped trying to kill him.

-------

It happens to armed citizens, too. I’ve lost count of the shootings I’ve reviewed over the years where the good guys ran out of ammunition. Rich Davis fired all of the six shots he had and hit all three of the armed robbers he faced while delivering pizzas, but one of them was still up and running and able to shoot and wound him twice. That night in the emergency room, it occurred to him that there had to be something better than one’s own body to stop bullets with, and he was inspired to invent the soft body armor that has since saved thousands of lives.

I spoke at two trials, one criminal and one civil, for an attorney who had to shoot a man who pulled a gun on him in his law office. His nine-shot 9mm was at slide-lock, having delivered nine solid hits, before his opponent slumped and died. He survived both the gunfight and the trials, but it had been terribly close because he had no more ammunition at all when the gun duel ended.

There are other reasons to carry spare ammunition. With a semi-automatic pistol, as many firearms instructors will tell you, a cardinal cause of malfunctions is a magazine problem. Often, this can only be rectified by ripping the bad magazine out of the gun and replacing it with a fresh one. This naturally requires a fresh magazine to be right there on your person.



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction

What's good about Ayoob is that many times he just presents details of the events. The stories typically are in the victims own words.

 

[2aguy]

A defender may be wounded at the start of a fight.....and if they have to change a magazine simply because stupid people like you don't like 30 round magazines...it may put their lives at risk...their small motor skills may be affected by adrenaline or they may only have the use of one arm....like the federal agent in the Miami Bank Robbery shootout.....

So having a large capacity magazine aids the innocent defender but makes no difference to the mass shooter...who goes to a gun free zone to murder unarmed people....and has no need to worry about return fire....since they either kill themselves or surrender as soon as they face armed resistance....

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

Oh...there are more than one example...here...let Massad Ayoob....expert firearm instructor and professional firearm witness who has testified and assisted in self defense cases around the country....what does he say.......?

Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Even severe wounds may not seriously disable a committed combatant. I have had the privilege of meeting many hero cops who have survived hellacious gunfight injuries and gone on to prevail. One is Stacy Lim of the LAPD. She was shot in the heart with a .357 Mag revolver at the opening of her encounter. She returned fire with her Beretta 9mm, killing her antagonist with four solid hits out of the four she fired. She recovered to return to full duty, and today is one of the nation’s most respected police firearms instructors. Another is Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida. He was shot in the face at point-blank range by a gunman armed with a .45 ACP who then fired six more bullets into Reston when he fell. Jared returned fire from the ground with his Glock .40. He killed the assailant and recovered to return to patrol and SWAT duty.

These were the good guys and gals. But the bad guys can be just as resilient, and we would all do well to remember that it took Stacy four dead-on hits to drop her opponent, and Jared had to shoot his would-be murderer seven times before the guy stopped trying to kill him.

-------

It happens to armed citizens, too. I’ve lost count of the shootings I’ve reviewed over the years where the good guys ran out of ammunition. Rich Davis fired all of the six shots he had and hit all three of the armed robbers he faced while delivering pizzas, but one of them was still up and running and able to shoot and wound him twice. That night in the emergency room, it occurred to him that there had to be something better than one’s own body to stop bullets with, and he was inspired to invent the soft body armor that has since saved thousands of lives.

I spoke at two trials, one criminal and one civil, for an attorney who had to shoot a man who pulled a gun on him in his law office. His nine-shot 9mm was at slide-lock, having delivered nine solid hits, before his opponent slumped and died. He survived both the gunfight and the trials, but it had been terribly close because he had no more ammunition at all when the gun duel ended.

There are other reasons to carry spare ammunition. With a semi-automatic pistol, as many firearms instructors will tell you, a cardinal cause of malfunctions is a magazine problem. Often, this can only be rectified by ripping the bad magazine out of the gun and replacing it with a fresh one. This naturally requires a fresh magazine to be right there on your person.



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction

What's good about Ayoob is that many times he just presents details of the events. The stories typically are in the victims own words.

Yes....his years of experience actually helping to defend innocent people is a great resource...

 

[Crixus]

Give an example of a defense ever in the situation you describe where he needed a hi cap mag.

Every single one.....when the fight starts you aren't a ******* psychic who can see the future........if you don't use all of your bullets...great...but you still have them.

Didn't think you had a single example. Meanwhile they are used in mass shootings and gang drive-by''s all the time where people get hit by strays.

Oh...there are more than one example...here...let Massad Ayoob....expert firearm instructor and professional firearm witness who has testified and assisted in self defense cases around the country....what does he say.......?

Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Even severe wounds may not seriously disable a committed combatant. I have had the privilege of meeting many hero cops who have survived hellacious gunfight injuries and gone on to prevail. One is Stacy Lim of the LAPD. She was shot in the heart with a .357 Mag revolver at the opening of her encounter. She returned fire with her Beretta 9mm, killing her antagonist with four solid hits out of the four she fired. She recovered to return to full duty, and today is one of the nation’s most respected police firearms instructors. Another is Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida. He was shot in the face at point-blank range by a gunman armed with a .45 ACP who then fired six more bullets into Reston when he fell. Jared returned fire from the ground with his Glock .40. He killed the assailant and recovered to return to patrol and SWAT duty.

These were the good guys and gals. But the bad guys can be just as resilient, and we would all do well to remember that it took Stacy four dead-on hits to drop her opponent, and Jared had to shoot his would-be murderer seven times before the guy stopped trying to kill him.

-------

It happens to armed citizens, too. I’ve lost count of the shootings I’ve reviewed over the years where the good guys ran out of ammunition. Rich Davis fired all of the six shots he had and hit all three of the armed robbers he faced while delivering pizzas, but one of them was still up and running and able to shoot and wound him twice. That night in the emergency room, it occurred to him that there had to be something better than one’s own body to stop bullets with, and he was inspired to invent the soft body armor that has since saved thousands of lives.

I spoke at two trials, one criminal and one civil, for an attorney who had to shoot a man who pulled a gun on him in his law office. His nine-shot 9mm was at slide-lock, having delivered nine solid hits, before his opponent slumped and died. He survived both the gunfight and the trials, but it had been terribly close because he had no more ammunition at all when the gun duel ended.

There are other reasons to carry spare ammunition. With a semi-automatic pistol, as many firearms instructors will tell you, a cardinal cause of malfunctions is a magazine problem. Often, this can only be rectified by ripping the bad magazine out of the gun and replacing it with a fresh one. This naturally requires a fresh magazine to be right there on your person.



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Read more: Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction

What's good about Ayoob is that many times he just presents details of the events. The stories typically are in the victims own words.

Yes....his years of experience actually helping to defend innocent people is a great resource...

He is also very informitive on the topic of CCW, and all the legal hassles involved with it. Our instructor quoted him allot.