2 civilian gun owners stop mass public shooting in Florida....

[westwall]

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

I have never said everyone should have guns. There are LOADS of people who shouldn't. But to blanket ban guns is singularly, and spectacularly ineffective in stopping crime. We have CENTURIES of history that shows us that blanket weapons bans do nothing to stop crime, but do everything to make crime easier for the bad guy, and in certain horrible instances to make mass murder easy peasy for the governments to commit.

You never said that everyone should have guns but everyone who wants one here can get one. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll find one. What a simple world it would be if everyone had a tattoo on their forehead indicating whether they`re a good guy or a bad guy. The last shooting in my neck of the woods was over a burned casserole. The victim bought the gun because he was scared of bad guys.
Cops: Wife killed husband after fight over burned casserole

The facts are these, gun control laws only affect the law abiding. Gun bans concentrate guns in the hands of two populations, the criminal population, and the rich. The criminal population because they ignore laws anyway, that's why they're called criminals, and the rich can have them because they have the money to jump through the hoops
that are placed in the way of gun ownership. It is the ultimate form of CLASS WARFARE.

I find it interesting that people who claim to not like rich people want to give the rich people every advantage they can, to abuse them with. It's astonishing the level of disconnect.

 

[2aguy]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

If you are an idiot, you might believe that.

Everbody. Today, November 26, 2017, four thousand people in the US used their firearm to defend themselves or someone else.

4000. Today.

Not 20.

4000.

LOL!!

Notice....bill clinton used two anti gun researchers....obama used his CDC.....look at their numbers, twit. We have over 320 million people...with 16 million people carrying guns for self defense and 600 million guns in private hands........

All of that research says you are wrong....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

No....twit....letting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street in under 2 years is not locking up criminals...and they are the ones shooting people........

 

[2aguy]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

Britains violent crime rate is higher than ours and their gun crime rate is constantly going up...ours is going down....

And those guns stolen from cars...is on you too buddy. You morons have created so many gun free zones, Gun Owners have to leave their guns in their cars instead of keeping them holstered on their hips....another reason that you drive the crime rate, not us.

 

[2aguy]

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

Yes.....their law abiding people would be safer........

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

I have never said everyone should have guns. There are LOADS of people who shouldn't. But to blanket ban guns is singularly, and spectacularly ineffective in stopping crime. We have CENTURIES of history that shows us that blanket weapons bans do nothing to stop crime, but do everything to make crime easier for the bad guy, and in certain horrible instances to make mass murder easy peasy for the governments to commit.

You never said that everyone should have guns but everyone who wants one here can get one. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll find one. What a simple world it would be if everyone had a tattoo on their forehead indicating whether they`re a good guy or a bad guy. The last shooting in my neck of the woods was over a burned casserole. The victim bought the gun because he was scared of bad guys.
Cops: Wife killed husband after fight over burned casserole

Moron...the gun isn't the problem here... as actual research shows.....homes that have alcoholics, drug users and criminals in them as well as long histories of violence and police contacts are the deciding factor...not the gun...since normal homes, with guns, don't end up with people murdering each other over burnt caseroles...

You should read you link...moron.....this was the problem, not the gun.....

During police questioning later, she told officers she drank seven beers and her husband was insulting her and cursing her cooking.

 

[Brain357]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

If you are an idiot, you might believe that.

Everbody. Today, November 26, 2017, four thousand people in the US used their firearm to defend themselves or someone else.

4000. Today.

Not 20.

4000.

LOL!!

Notice....bill clinton used two anti gun researchers....obama used his CDC.....look at their numbers, twit. We have over 320 million people...with 16 million people carrying guns for self defense and 600 million guns in private hands........

All of that research says you are wrong....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

 

[Brain357]

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

Yes.....their law abiding people would be safer........

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Stop lying. We had the Bill Clinton crime bill during that period. We also got some gun control including background checks. Look what is happening now with the most concealed carry ever:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[airplanemechanic]

Guns kill nearly 1300 children each year.

That's enough to turn me off from your entire post. Guns have never killed anyone. Guns are USED to kill people.

 

[Brain357]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

No....twit....letting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street in under 2 years is not locking up criminals...and they are the ones shooting people........

Lock em up!
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

 

[Brain357]

Guns kill nearly 1300 children each year.

That's enough to turn me off from your entire post. Guns have never killed anyone. Guns are USED to kill people.

Yes ignore the mass shootings, the dead cops, the dead kids, the dead women, the road rage shootings, the toddlers shooting people...

 

[airplanemechanic]

I'm ignoring your anti-gun bullshit.

When an inanimate object is blamed for something I walk the other way. There is enough stupid in my life. I don't need more here.

 

[Brain357]

All this death because white men have a masculinity problem. Sad.
White men feel stricter gun laws are attacks on their masculinity, study says

 

[Brain357]

I'm ignoring your anti-gun bullshit.

When an inanimate object is blamed for something I walk the other way. There is enough stupid in my life. I don't need more here.

Cute. Well be aware there isn't corpses everywhere when there is good gun control. Toddlers aren't shooting people, cop killings are rare, mass killings are rare... But yeah you ignore the problem.

 

[airplanemechanic]

All this death because white men have a masculinity problem. Sad.
White men feel stricter gun laws are attacks on their masculinity, study says

You really need to read your own links before posting.

Though some found tighter laws to be a dig at masculinity, about 90 percent of gun owners wanted expanded gun safety laws, the study found.

So 9 out of 10 actually want stricter gun laws. I guess that sure beats the "white men want everyone to own a machine gun" bullshit that liberals have been pushing.

I love to use someone's link against them. That's called total pwnage.

 

[Brain357]

All this death because white men have a masculinity problem. Sad.
White men feel stricter gun laws are attacks on their masculinity, study says

You really need to read your own links before posting.

Though some found tighter laws to be a dig at masculinity, about 90 percent of gun owners wanted expanded gun safety laws, the study found.

So 9 out of 10 actually want stricter gun laws. I guess that sure beats the "white men want everyone to own a machine gun" bullshit that liberals have been pushing.

I love to use someone's link against them. That's called total pwnage.

Gun safety laws. They still want a machine gun.

 

[airplanemechanic]

But machine guns are banned by laws. If they want stricter laws, why would they want machine guns?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hmm...the manager fled back inside the building although he was a conceal carry permitted? Was he not armed or does he need more work on the target range?

Cover and concealment.

 

[Brain357]

But machine guns are banned by laws. If they want stricter laws, why would they want machine guns?

What safety laws do they want?

 

[iceberg]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

why do we have so many vast generalizations out there by people who want to pop off against something they're clueless about then prance around going HA LOOK AT MY PROPER STANCE???

we know who they are.