$2 Billion more to Ukraine. Thank goodness we are doing so well here that we can give away billions.

All over a war that never should have happened in the first place. If people had lived up to their promises, it doesn't happen.
 

How much have we given to the military industrial complex on behalf of Ukraine so far?

What I'm trying to understand is how the president can just wave his hand and give billions of our tax dollars to a foreign nation without Congressional legislation.
 

How much have we given to the military industrial complex on behalf of Ukraine so far?
Good question. There were a couple of "smaller" payments, a billion here or there. Then there was a 40 $B appropriation that passed and since then at least another 5-10 $B. Some politicians are padding their retirement accounts while setting the nation up to collapse.
 
What I'm trying to understand is how the president can just wave his hand and give billions of our tax dollars to a foreign nation without Congressional legislation.

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Kind of like wondering how Joe has the authority to void 14 million school loan contracts all by himself, all paid for with taxpayer funds.
 
What I'm trying to understand is how the president can just wave his hand and give billions of our tax dollars to a foreign nation without Congressional legislation.
America's war with Russia is critical for both sides. I think that says that America must devote huge resources to winning it. But the American people aren't onside with the efforts due to the domestic political fight and so their voices as a bloc against the war effort must be silenced.

I would suggest that's the same as with most wars America takes part in, regardless of the size of the war.

Where is the line on expenditures that a president can authorize. It could range all the way from a single missile to kill Suliemani, all the way up to including the many billions being spent on this war.

Depending on how you frame this war in your mind, either supplying Ukraine with aid or America fighting Russia, would you be in favour of ending US involvement?
 
I agree it never should have happened but what promises would have kept Putin from his life long ambition of restoring the Soviet Empire?

It all started because Ukraine sought to become a NATO member. The agreement with Russia when they dismantled their nukes was that would not happen.

If someone wanted to put missiles on our border we wouldn't take kindly to it either.
 

How much have we given to the military industrial complex on behalf of Ukraine so far?
We should be spending that money here to help Americans here.....


But since most Conservatives don't really favor any domestic spending that benefits everyday Americans -- I take they concern trolling over Ukraine spending as just that....trolling....

As we speak, people in Jackson, Miss are going without clean water because a REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION decided to not spend the federal money that was given to them on helping the people of Jackson...


And I ain't seen any of you concern trolling Trumpers saying shit about it....

"When President Joe Biden’s signature $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan moved through Congress last year, he pointed to Jackson, Miss., the state’s largest city plagued with long-standing water woes, as a community that stood to greatly benefit from a surge of fresh funding -- Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (R) and the state’s Republican leadership have stood in the way of federal funds from reaching the capital."

 
It all started because Ukraine sought to become a NATO member. The agreement with Russia when they dismantled their nukes was that would not happen.

If someone wanted to put missiles on our border we wouldn't take kindly to it either.
Except there are already missiles on Russia's border......and that wasn't the justification Putin used to invade Ukraine....


Ukraine isn't worth the US going to war with anyone over -- but we can't claim to be in favor of a country's sovereign right to defend themselves while also telling them they should do what Russia tells them...

That would have been like telling Israel, since they are surrounded by hostiles -- they need to just do what they are told because we can't give them money to help defend themselves..
 
Except there are already missiles on Russia's border......and that wasn't the justification Putin used to invade Ukraine....

Yes it was. He gave the world and Ukraine every opportunity to back away from the desire to make Ukraine a member of NATO.

Ukraine isn't worth the US going to war with anyone over -- but we can't claim to be in favor of a country's sovereign right to defend themselves while also telling them they should do what Russia tells them...

Too late. We had already agreed.

That would have been like telling Israel, since they are surrounded by hostiles -- they need to just do what they are told because we can't give them money to help defend themselves..

We shouldn't give them money.
 
If someone wanted to put missiles on our border we wouldn't take kindly to it either.
In the early 1960's Russia was in the process of putting nuclear missiles on the island country of Cuba which is located just 90 miles from the U.S. border.
We almost went to nuclear war with Russia over the situation. ... :cool:
 
It all started because Ukraine sought to become a NATO member. The agreement with Russia when they dismantled their nukes was that would not happen.

If someone wanted to put missiles on our border we wouldn't take kindly to it either.
Yes, and it's also tied into the opportunity arose that would allow America, under the Nato name, to advance on Russia's borders by causing Ukraine to engage in civil war against the Donbass region.

But don't lose sight of the tremendous opportunity for Trump if he took the antiwar side.

All he would have to content with would be accusations that he was pro-Russia.
 
Our border patrol has been BEGGING for years to upgrade surveillance systems, add manpower, vehicles, drones they need every imaginable resource. The border get bread crumbs and yet it took f*king Congress about 2 weeks to send 40 BILLION DOLLARS to Ukraine for a futile war effort.
So you're already there on understanding that it's a proxy war between America and Russia. You just contend that it's Russia trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.

That's a step forward from accepting the lie that it's Ukraine's war, etc., blah, blah.
 
It all started because Ukraine sought to become a NATO member. The agreement with Russia when they dismantled their nukes was that would not happen.

If someone wanted to put missiles on our border we wouldn't take kindly to it either.
Putin knows his days on the Earth are numbered. He sized up Biden and decided it's now or never. NATO memberships had nothing to do with Putin going all in on his mad ambition to restore the former Soviet Union.
 

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