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But they did target citizens, Jarl.
1st Amd issue
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Jarlaxle
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Cite your source. (If you have one.)
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Jarlaxle
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In other words: you have no source, you made it up.
You are as predictable as the sunrise and as useful as a concrete parachute.
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In other words, you accuse me of being you. That's silly.
In a democracy, secret arrests and threats for exercising free speech are no nos.
A would-be dictator would not want citizens telling him off publicly.
A would-be dictator would hate our 1st Amendment.
Right, Jarl.
Jarlaxle
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And now, you post your usual horseshit.
Per usual, it features...
Nonsensical insults.
Nonsensical claims of superiority.
A straw man.
And grade school insults garnished with the usual bullshit.
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Nonsense. We are discussing 1st Amendment issues and you issue insults with nothing on topic.
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ICE has always operated in this fashion... you just are not use to it because Biden wouldn't allow them to do their job... just how many foreign trouble makers do you want here?... are you a fan of incitement to kill Jews block schools and riot?...In a functioning democracy, law enforcement does not arrive in secret, in disguise, to abduct people for speech. That is not border enforcement. That is not national security.........
This is fascism 101
Turkish student at Tufts University detained, video shows masked people handcuffing her
A Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University has been detained by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents without explanation, her lawyer said Wednesday.apnews.com
In New Filing, Rümeysa Öztürk Urges Court to Protect Her Rights, Release Her | American Civil Liberties Union
Ms. Öztürk was unlawfully detained by ICE in Massachusetts this weekwww.aclu.org
Federal Government Detains International Student at Tufts
The university was told that the student’s visa had been terminated, its president said in a late-night email to students and faculty members.www.nytimes.com
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If you come here for an education we require you obey the laws and rules just like every other nation on earth... being a functioning democracy does not mean we have to be suicidal...
BackAgain
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Well, first off: we aren’t a “democracy.”In a functioning democracy, law enforcement does not arrive in secret, in disguise, to abduct people for speech. That is not border enforcement. That is not national security.........
This is fascism 101
Turkish student at Tufts University detained, video shows masked people handcuffing her
A Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University has been detained by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents without explanation, her lawyer said Wednesday.
In New Filing, Rümeysa Öztürk Urges Court to Protect Her Rights, Release Her | American Civil Liberties Union
Ms. Öztürk was unlawfully detained by ICE in Massachusetts this week
Federal Government Detains International Student at Tufts
The university was told that the student’s visa had been terminated, its president said in a late-night email to students and faculty members.
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So, there’s that.
Secondly, the subject is an alien. And while I am a huge fan of freedom of speech, I’m not certain that an alien (present in our land because of our largesse) has any entitlement to “speech” which is at odds with our policies.
There has a very little (if any) case law precedent on the matter.
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I agree Ram
pack up those terrorist supporting trouble makers, and send them back to where they came from
it's the laws they use to do so that i don't agree with
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For always (unless someone is giving you plans to which the rest of us are not privy).
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It's you who bluster, Flakey. But to the point: no one should be threatened for using their 1st Amendment rights. Period. Have a good day.
BackAgain
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If you’re a guest in my home, I get to tell you what speech is out of bounds.
If some alien is a guest n our country, we get to tell him what speech is out of bounds.
One example: if you are a U.S. citizen, you can donate $ to a presidential candidate’s campaign. But if you are not a U.S. citizen, you are not allowed to do so. And we know that $ donations to campaigns are considered speech. So, the “speech” rights enjoyed by aliens here is circumscribed.
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U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'
A Virginia man said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men near his home in Virginia when he was stopped by ICE agents with guns in their hands.March 7, 2025, 4:26 PM EST
By Jackie Bensen, NBC4 Washington
A naturalized Virginia resident said he's questioning his vote for President Donald Trump after agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him this week when they were looking for another person on a deportation order.
Jensy Machado said he's a U.S. citizen and provided NBC 4 Washington documentation of his legal status.
Machado was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents near his home, he said.
Confused by the scene, Machado said he didn't know what was happening and why agents surrounded his pickup truck.
“They just got out of the car with the guns in their hands and say, 'turn off the car, give me the keys, open the window,'” Machado told Telemundo 44’s Rosbelis Quinoñez, who first reported his story. “Everything was really fast.”
According to Machado, the agents said the name of a man who had a deportation order, someone who had given Machado’s home address.
Machado told them that wasn’t his name — he didn’t know anyone by that name — and offered to show them his real ID-compliant Virginia driver’s license.
“They didn’t ask me for any ID,” Machado said. “I was telling the officer if I can give him ID, but he said just keep my hands up, not moving. After that, he told me to get out of the car and put the handcuffs on me."
U.S. citizen detained by ICE questions vote for Trump: 'Just following Hispanic people'
ICE violated rights of a US citizen and 21 others during arrests, Chicago activists allege
ICE violated rights of a US citizen and 21 others during arrests, Chicago activists allegeU.S. citizen mistakenly detained by ICE outside Michigan courthouse speaks out
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I hate it when American cops act like Gestapo goons.
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perhaps then this fits here BA>>>
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BackAgain
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Not sure how.
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