1rst Time a Starter Has Won 10 games and Awarded Cy Young

[Meathead]

Just shows to go ya how much the game has changed. NL batting title- .304 (Trea Turner), Cy Young winner (starter Paul Skenes)- 10 wins.

OK, the Pirates suck, but 10 games?

 

[1srelluc]

Just shows to go ya how much the game has changed. NL batting title- .304 (Trea Turner), Cy Young winner (starter Paul Skenes)- 10 wins.

OK, the Pirates suck, but 10 games?

I'm amazed at the number of pitchers that will pitch in one game so putting in enough innings for a starter to have a game credited as win is a feat these days.

 

[Mashmont]

Just shows to go ya how much the game has changed. NL batting title- .304 (Trea Turner), Cy Young winner (starter Paul Skenes)- 10 wins.

OK, the Pirates suck, but 10 games?

ERA is the better measurement, and Skenes’ 1.97 was one of the best in history. He easily deserves the Cy Young.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Just shows to go ya how much the game has changed. NL batting title- .304 (Trea Turner), Cy Young winner (starter Paul Skenes)- 10 wins.

OK, the Pirates suck, but 10 games?

and he had 10 losses...while Freddy Peralta was 17-6 with a 2.70 ERA with Mil.....

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[Mashmont]

and he had 10 losses...while Freddy Peralta was 17-6 with a 2.70 ERA with Mil.....

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How good the team is is irrelevant. That’s why ERA is the only meaningful stat

 

[Meathead]

ERA is the better measurement, and Skenes’ 1.97 was one of the best in history. He easily deserves the Cy Young.

No one is arguing that. I just observed how much the game has changed.

A note: Stever Carlton won 27 games with a team that only manged 59 also posting a 1.97 ERA.

 

[Polishprince]

Nowadays , teams often pull starters after 5 or 6 innings, even if they are winning or the pitcher hasn't given up many runs.

The number of complete games thrown is very few, and if Mr. Skenes is showering up when his teammates are ******* up on the field, nothing he can do about it.

Guys just don't pitch a complete game every 4 days like Marichal and Drysdale did back in the day.

 

[Mashmont]

No one is arguing that. I just observed how much the game has changed.

A note: Stever Carlton won 27 games with a team that only manged 59 also posting a 1.97 ERA.

Yes, that was quite remarkable. I remember it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How good the team is is irrelevant. That’s why ERA is the only meaningful stat

the pitcher wins the cy young not the team.....funny things happen in baseball voting....in 1973 nolan ryan won 21 games had a 2.87 ERA set the strike out record at 383 pitched 2 no hitters and didnt get the cy young....

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How good the team is is irrelevant. That’s why ERA is the only meaningful stat

Whose Run Is It?

ERA is inaccurate. If a pitcher puts a man on first base and is relieved by a blowtorch who gives up a triple and then retires the side, the starter should get charged with only one-fourth a run and the reliever with three-fourths of a run. The illogical way it is computed now is the reason relievers have such low ERAs.

 

[Harry Dresden]

WHIP might be a better measure...

 

[22lcidw]

This is an insult to Cy Young. Or pitchers from much of major league history. The game is different now.

 

[my2¢]

A note: Stever Carlton won 27 games with a team that only manged 59 also posting a 1.97 ERA.

Steve Carlton came immediately to mind upon reading the OP. I couldn't recall the year, had to look it up, and then saw your post and thought, right on!

In Carlton's first season with Philadelphia, he led the league in wins (27), complete games (30), strikeouts (310), and ERA (1.97), despite playing for a team whose final record was 59–97. (Wikipedia)

 

[Meathead]

Whose Run Is It?

ERA is inaccurate. If a pitcher puts a man on first base and is relieved by a blowtorch who gives up a triple and then retires the side, the starter should get charged with only one-fourth a run and the reliever with three-fourths of a run. The illogical way it is computed now is the reason relievers have such low ERAs.

It evens out since at times a reliver comes in with a bases loaded with no or one out and the starters ERA remain unscathed.

 

[MarathonMike]

Just shows to go ya how much the game has changed. NL batting title- .304 (Trea Turner), Cy Young winner (starter Paul Skenes)- 10 wins.

OK, the Pirates suck, but 10 games?

Wow, 10 game winner woo hoo! I remember the Orioles team from the 60s that had FOUR 20 game winners! Dobson, Cuellar, MacNally and Palmer.

 

[DGS49]

Even more relevant than ERA is, hits + walks per inning. When the total of hits and walks per inning is below one (which it was for Skenes) you are looking at H.O.F. success, if only for one year.

The fact that he is playing for the worst franchise in American professional sports is unfortunate, and should not sully his accomplishments.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Even more relevant than ERA is, hits + walks per inning. When the total of hits and walks per inning is below one (which it was for Skenes) you are looking at H.O.F. success, if only for one year.

The fact that he is playing for the worst franchise in American professional sports is unfortunate, and should not sully his accomplishments.

thats called WHIP.....

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It evens out since at times a reliver comes in with a bases loaded with no or one out and the starters ERA remain unscathed.

Boytoys for the RichBoys

The exception proves the rule. Making conclusions out of unusual cases is the kind of artificial intelligence taught to the Mamas' Boys who run away to college because they're afraid to grow up.

 

[Meathead]

Boytoys for the RichBoys

The exception proves the rule. Making conclusions out of unusual cases is the kind of artificial intelligence taught to the Mamas' Boys who run away to college because they're afraid to grow up.

So what if a reliever gives up a single then gets the next 2 guys out? Should he be charged with a runner of 2nd or 3rd?