1896 Film of Palestine and Jerusalem.

[theliq]

A great piece of photographic history!

Whether the actual % Muslim/Christian/Jew is correct or not is for debate, the important part message is that Palestine was not devoid of inhabitants as is commonly suggested on this forum...

Of course Palestine was not devoid of inhabitants of ALL religions... It is a convenient 'misconception' by those who find it an easy 'point' that they feel that Palestine was empty and without ownership.

The fact remains that, by and large, the mixed culture in Palestine was, firstly mixed, secondly, on the whole, tolerant.

It is not up for debate at all because there was only circa 4.3 % of Jews inhabiting Palestine at that time.....5% was a rounding figure

As you said because of CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW it is not up for debate. The legal land owners bequeathed the land for the RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME and made provision for the arab muslims and Christians in the plans. It was the arab muslims that breached the rules of the mandate when they declared war on the Jews. The arab muslims were bequeathed the lands of Jordan, Syria and Iraq to turn into homelands.

Moron

 

[theliq]

The narrator states Jews form half the population of Jerusalem

So.....then 10% Christians and 85% Muslim in Palestine.....So your point is ???????? Jews were a miniscule Minority.........Their claim that NO ONE inhabited Palestine.....which was taught to generations of Jewish Israelis since 1948 was infactual Bullshit..steve

And as monti has shown only 0.8% of the land was owned by arab muslims while the Jews owned 4.8%. Now why do you think that was ?

Phoeny all Wrong Again....here are so Real Facts for you,being as you are a total illiterate.....The British Land Statistics carried out in late 1945....below

The Land Measurement at the time was the "DUNUM" in Palestine,.... for those who only deal in inches,feet,yards,chains,furlongs and all.Of course you still have not metricated like the rest of the world..never mind.

Jews owned 1,491,699 Dunums of Land which was close to Monti's figure but slightly higher at 5.67%(mostly purchased from Palestinians by the Zionist Terrorist Movement over a 20 year period prior to 1945.

Palestinian Arabs(all religions) owned 12,574,774 Dunums of Land equating to 47.77% of the Land (Fcuk knows where Monti gets a figure of 0.8%,maybe he will explain)

The British considered 11,950,650 Dunums of Land being 45.4% to be "Public Land" most of it in the "Dry South, Arid Part"

The remaining 1.16% or 305,892 Dunums consisted of Roads,Railways,Rivers,Lakes etc,.

Basically the Jews owned fcuk all..........The trouble with Pricks like Phoeny and his Possee,they try to lie to you blatantly.......but I and many others stand like Sentinels against their corrupt and Bullshit posts............I was born a Winner.......well against this rabble it's not too difficult.Shame they cannot be Honest,that's the trouble with people riddled with Guiltiness.....They Have To Lie Continually to Justify Their Sorry Life/ASSEs...I'm theliq keeping the bastards honest...Yet Again

 

[theliq]

1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

Year	Jews	Muslims	Christians	Total	Original Source	As quoted in
1882	9,000	7,000	5,000	21,000	Wilson	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1885	15,000	6,000	14,000	35,000	Goldmann	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1893	>50%	?	?	~40,000	Albert Shaw, Writer	Shaw, 1894 [36]
1896	28,112	8,560	8,748	45,420	Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Ah, Wikipedia. Interesting how there's a sudden upsurge in 1896 and all of a sudden in 1905 a 50% drop then in 1922 a 50% rise. The reality is that there was no reliable demographic of the area until the British 1922 census. Also the "Jewish" figures do not differentiate between the native sephardic population and the European Ashkenazi colonists.

Why are you so surprised by such DRIVEL ...........If something doesn't sound right,it's because isn't right..steve

 

[teddyearp]

So, are you folks saying that these 'European Jews' are converts to Judaism? That they have no ties whatsoever to the land at all? They are not descendants of Abraham? Never came from the area?

 

[aris2chat]

Kind of shoots down the propaganda that claims the Europeans settled an empty country.

Half a million in the whole country, we knew that. The area used to have a population was several million in the Roman period. Mandate determined the land could sustain a population of over 7 million. At that time 70% of the mandate swamp, desert and rocky hillsides, not suitable for cultivation.
Potential for 7 million on 30% of the mandate of palestine but it only held half a million........ a land without a people. That is like saying a classroom the size of a football field with 2 students and at least 28 desks. Kind of empty.
It also mentioned that half the population of Jerusalem was jewish.


>>uproar that erupted throughout the Arab world over the use of a map with Israel's name on it is yet another reminder that many Arabs still have not come to terms with Israel's existence -- and apparently are not interested in coming to terms with it.

The protestors were not demanding a two-state solution and an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They were protesting against Israel's existence; that is what really bothers them.<<
Remove Israel from That Map

 

[montelatici]

Kind of shoots down the propaganda that claims the Europeans settled an empty country.

Half a million in the whole country, we knew that. The area used to have a population was several million in the Roman period. Mandate determined the land could sustain a population of over 7 million. At that time 70% of the mandate swamp, desert and rocky hillsides, not suitable for cultivation.
Potential for 7 million on 30% of the mandate of palestine but it only held half a million........ a land without a people. That is like saying a classroom the size of a football field with 2 students and at least 28 desks. Kind of empty.
It also mentioned that half the population of Jerusalem was jewish.


>>uproar that erupted throughout the Arab world over the use of a map with Israel's name on it is yet another reminder that many Arabs still have not come to terms with Israel's existence -- and apparently are not interested in coming to terms with it.

The protestors were not demanding a two-state solution and an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They were protesting against Israel's existence; that is what really bothers them.<<
Remove Israel from That Map

85% Muslim 15% Christian and 5% Jew after years of immigration by 1896.

 

[José]

So, are you folks saying that these 'European Jews' are converts to Judaism? That they have no ties whatsoever to the land at all? They are not descendants of Abraham? Never came from the area?

Ignore the personal opinions of your fellow members, ignore "genetic tests" paid for by the state of Israel or zionist groups or pro-palestinians that are not worth a roll of toilet paper anyway.

Ignore everything and just let your eyes be the judge, teddy:

UKRAINIAN JEWS

You don't need any genetic test to realise the only genetic ties these 5 individuals have is to Sweden, Norway and Denmark where their viking ancestors came from.

Just a pair of functional eyes and a bit of common sense.

 

[José]

These individuals claiming Palestine as the homeland of their ancestors would be a good joke if it weren't so tragic... if so many people hadn't died because of this fable.

 

[Roudy]

1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

It doesn't shoot down that Muslims invaded, like they did almost everywhere else. So you get your numbers from youtube? Ha ha ha. Here are some legit numbers, retard:

Jews as absolute or relative majority in Jerusalem

Year	Jews	Muslims	Christians	Total	Original Source	As quoted in
1882	9,000	7,000	5,000	21,000	Wilson	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1885	15,000	6,000	14,000	35,000	Goldmann	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1893	>50%	?	?	~40,000	Albert Shaw, Writer	Shaw, 1894 [36]
1896	28,112	8,560	8,748	45,420	Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Roudy]

So, are you folks saying that these 'European Jews' are converts to Judaism? That they have no ties whatsoever to the land at all? They are not descendants of Abraham? Never came from the area?

Ignore the personal opinions of your fellow members, ignore "genetic tests" paid for by the state of Israel or zionist groups or pro-palestinians that are not worth of roll of toilet paper.

Ignore everything and just let your eyes be the judge, teddy:

UKRAINIAN JEWS

You don't need any genetic test to realise the only genetic ties these 5 individuals have is to Sweden, Norway and Denmark where their viking ancestors came from.

Just a pair of functional eyes and a bit of common sense.

Not much different looking than the current Bosnian Muslim leader.

 

[José]

So very true, Roudy... + rep coming your way.

 

[Roudy]

1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Cant see any big badges on the people walking streets saying muslim or Christian. So how can you say that it is only muslims and Christians we can see ?

Only the Nazis used badges for Jews(a yellow star of David) in this footage,Palestinian Jews lived in Harmony..with others....you FOOL.

Not strictly true. The were Ottoman dress regulations for Jewish and Christian subjects of the Empire, who were supposed to wear "ghiyar" or identifying bages or symbols to denote their religion as well as restricting clothes to specific colours, although the evidence was these were not strictly enforced.

The dhimmi laws and the Pact of Omar dictated dress codes and were a non muslim could walk, live, eat and sleep. The Germans took these Islamic laws and altered them to suit the new National socialist workers party regime.

O Yeah,and Jews collaborated with Hitler to EXTERMINATE innocent Jewish people......You are a Fcuking disgrace to the Jews/Israelis and everyone on this board......Prick

Wow, the crazy asshole forgets that the Palestinian Nazi animal the Mufti of Jerusalem made Hitler kill an additional 500,000 Jews as opposed to letting them escape with their lives. You'll only find crazy assholes like this moron on the internet, spouting shit like this. In the real world, they lock people like him in asylums.

 

[Roudy]

1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

Year	Jews	Muslims	Christians	Total	Original Source	As quoted in
1882	9,000	7,000	5,000	21,000	Wilson	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1885	15,000	6,000	14,000	35,000	Goldmann	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1893	>50%	?	?	~40,000	Albert Shaw, Writer	Shaw, 1894 [36]
1896	28,112	8,560	8,748	45,420	Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Ah, Wikipedia. Interesting how there's a sudden upsurge in 1896 and all of a sudden in 1905 a 50% drop then in 1922 a 50% rise. The reality is that there was no reliable demographic of the area until the British 1922 census. Also the "Jewish" figures do not differentiate between the native sephardic population and the European Ashkenazi colonists.

Check the sources listed. As Jewish population increased, the Muslim invasion increased. The British encouraged it, and have documented it.

 

[montelatici]

To be fair, the Mufti was trying to avoid having 500,000 European Jews settle in Palestine AND expel his people from their lands and homes. He would have resisted the arrival of 500,000 Hindus or Buddhists or Athiests for the same reason if they were intent on creating their own state in Palestine by expelling the existing people.

 

[montelatici]

1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Ah, Wikipedia. Interesting how there's a sudden upsurge in 1896 and all of a sudden in 1905 a 50% drop then in 1922 a 50% rise. The reality is that there was no reliable demographic of the area until the British 1922 census. Also the "Jewish" figures do not differentiate between the native sephardic population and the European Ashkenazi colonists.

Check the sources listed. As Jewish population increased, the Muslim invasion increased. The British encouraged it, and have documented it.

This is what the British documented. What you are posting are secondary and tertiary interpretations probably effectively edited by trained Hasbara wikipedia editors. Is the source document just too factual and contrary to the brainwashing you have received?

So, between 1922 and 1937 increase by migration was 245,433 for the Jews, 25,168 for the Muslims and 10,414 for the Christians.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

 

[Roudy]

To be fair, the Mufti was trying to avoid having 500,000 European Jews settle in Palestine AND expel his people from their lands and homes. He would have resisted the arrival of 500,000 Hindus or Buddhists or Athiests for the same reason if they were intent on creating their own state in Palestine by expelling the existing people.

How about you being fair.? The land never belonged to the Arabs. The Mufti, who is basically the God father of Islamic movements and Muslim Brotherhood, allied himself with Hitler and created a Muslim army in Bosnia that fought side by side with the Nazis. The US state dept. declared the Mufti a Nazi, which means, the founder of the Palestinian national bowel movement was a fucking Nazi. The Mufti was an Islamist thug who killed fellow Muslim moderates who preached coexistence, because he saw an opportunity to steal the land and make it "Muslim land", and exporting his barbaric IslamoNazi ideology to the rest of the Middle East, which he did (look up the Baath party roots). The Mufti's jihadists were behind the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the ancient Jews of Hebron. The Mufti was also behind the mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing of ancient Jews in Iraq and other Arab Muslim countries. The Mufti paid visits to Hitler's death camps and declared his pleasure with what he saw, and wanted to implement Hitler's "final solution" upon the Jews and Christians of the Middle East, that's why he successfully blended Islam with Nazism and Arab nationalism.

This is the scum you are defending and rooting for. Your cause is based on evil from it's inception All mentally ill losers like .Mohomod Latici qualify as foot soldiers.

 

[montelatici]

To be fair, the Mufti was trying to avoid having 500,000 European Jews settle in Palestine AND expel his people from their lands and homes. He would have resisted the arrival of 500,000 Hindus or Buddhists or Athiests for the same reason if they were intent on creating their own state in Palestine by expelling the existing people.

How about you being fair.? The land never belonged to the Arabs. The Mufti, who is basically the God father of Islamic movements and Muslim Brotherhood, allied himself with Hitler and created a Muslim army in Bosnia that fought side by side with the Nazis. The US state dept. declared the Mufti a Nazi, which means, the founder of the Palestinian national bowel movement was a fucking Nazi. The Mufti was an Islamist thug who killed fellow Muslim moderates who preached coexistence, because he saw an opportunity to steal the land and make it "Muslim land", and exporting his barbaric IslamoNazi ideology to the rest of the Middle East, which he did (look up the Baath party roots). The Mufti's jihadists were behind the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the ancient Jews of Hebron. The Mufti was also behind the mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing of ancient Jews in Iraq and other Arab Muslim countries. The Mufti paid visits to Hitler's death camps and declared his pleasure with what he saw, and wanted to implement Hitler's "final solution" upon the Jews and Christians of the Middle East, that's why he successfully blended Islam with Nazism and Arab nationalism.

This is the scum you are defending and rooting for. Your cause is based on evil from it's inception All mentally ill losers like .Mohomod Latici qualify as foot soldiers.

"How about you being fair.? The land never belonged to the Arabs."

Who do you think it belonged to? According to the 1946 Survey of Palestine submitted to the UN by the Mandatory 90% or more of the land was owned by the Arabs:

 

[docmauser1]

These individuals claiming Palestine as the homeland of their ancestors would be a good joke if it weren't so tragic... if so many people hadn't died because of this fable.

Deputy US Marshal Sam Gerard [looking at the forged ID]: José ... Where are you, José?

 

[Roudy]

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Ah, Wikipedia. Interesting how there's a sudden upsurge in 1896 and all of a sudden in 1905 a 50% drop then in 1922 a 50% rise. The reality is that there was no reliable demographic of the area until the British 1922 census. Also the "Jewish" figures do not differentiate between the native sephardic population and the European Ashkenazi colonists.

Check the sources listed. As Jewish population increased, the Muslim invasion increased. The British encouraged it, and have documented it.

This is what the British documented. What you are posting are secondary and tertiary interpretations probably effectively edited by trained Hasbara wikipedia editors. Is the source document just too factual and contrary to the brainwashing you have received?

So, between 1922 and 1937 increase by migration was 245,433 for the Jews, 25,168 for the Muslims and 10,414 for the Christians.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

I wouldn't be quoting the British if I were you, when they admitted to encouraging and documenting the Arab Invasion of Palestine during that time period:

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospectiveJewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

The gates of Palestine remained closed for the duration of the war, stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, many of whom became victims of Hitler’s“Final Solution.” After the war, the British refused to allow the survivors of the Nazi nightmare to find sanctuary in Palestine.

The rapid growth of the Arab population was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states—constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel—by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. 15 The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943. 16

The Arab population increased the most in cities where large Jewish populations had created new economic opportunities. From 1922–1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent inJerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem. 17

Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. From the beginning of World War I, however, part of Palestine’s land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. 18

Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as “the most important asset of the native population.” Ben-Gurion said “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement,” Ben-Gurion added, “should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.” 19

In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness for the British government and offered new plots to any Arabs who had been “dispossessed.” British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government’s legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

 

[toastman]

To be fair, the Mufti was trying to avoid having 500,000 European Jews settle in Palestine AND expel his people from their lands and homes. He would have resisted the arrival of 500,000 Hindus or Buddhists or Athiests for the same reason if they were intent on creating their own state in Palestine by expelling the existing people.

Please show me where you read that was the reason for the Mufti associating with Hitler and Nazis